I renounced my faith in the divinity of the Qur'an today
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Peace jusamuslim.
Your approach is more logical, even-though you think otherwise. You are trusting your instinct and comparing which is better.
You also mention no one has died and come back to tells us what is truth?
This is why I have no doubt in the divinity of "Qoran" . GOD tells us that we cannot evade death and we will not come back until judgement day
5677 to 5687
? This is an honourable book.? (Message)? A protected book.?
? None can grasp it except the Sincere!? ( Simple criteria of submission, no other Motives!)
? Are you disregarding this narration??
? Do you make it your business that you do not believe??
? When the time comes and ?it? ( Your last breath as you are dying!) reaches your throat.?
? You will then look around.?
? We are closer to it than you are, but you do not see.? ( The Angel of death!)
? If it is true that you do not owe any accounting.? ( That you are not returning to your creator for judgement!)
? Why do you not restore ( your life!) if you are truthful!?
So far no one has succeeded.Peace.
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He says he lost his faith two days ago. Can u believe that? Two days and he is here debating? Most people would spend months going through emotions.
This is sincerity
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/1271874
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/787640
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/2349939
Its not about scriptures, its about your personal experiences in life that shapes your faith. But at least with the above crowd they are being honest and sincere. Not beating around the bush. Its a waste of time.
Nice stories.. as they say... "There's merely a thin line between love and hate"..
Those who you hate usually are those who you used to love the most..
And vice versa..http//www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1081242/Brain-line-love-hate-scientists-reveal.html
Salam / Peace
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in my case, my faith has been shaped by both - personal experiences and God's scriptures. i'd say many a times life experiences lead to losing faith but reading the Koran turned me around. i cannot imagine where or what shape i would be in if it were not for God's scriptures. each person is different. some have an emotional approach, some intellectual, some both or neither. God's scriptures helps me in understanding myself, others and the world that I live in. i'd say it has helped me be the person and where i am today.
faithful-jin is not alone in his thinking or questioning. i ask the same questions as he does. if not more and have posted them. only difference is that he has rejected the koran as word of God whereas i have not. what he says is right - it is not logical. it is not logical for me given my own personal experiences to believe in God or God's scriptures. if anything, i should be the first in rejecting instead of only growing firmer in my beliefs. very illogical indeed. putting personal experiences aside, when you apply reason and logic in reading the koran it really doesn't make sense. but yet, why will i not reject like faithful-jin has come to? is it because of divine intervention?
god is not making me believe in anything. nothing is preventing me from not believing. if anything i have many a reasons not to believe. so why do i believe? i suppose it is logical and illogical, rational and irrational at the same time. personally i prefer walking along the straight path. more and more, my soul is at peace. my mind is at rest. listening to God applying what i read in the Koran has only helped me to better cope with life, be a better person. not an angry, bitter, resentful, hateful person. such negativity only weighs me down. following the scriptures has made a positive difference in my life and others around me. enemies becoming friends. building bridges than walls. it is a good feeling. now, do i really need the Koran for that? no, i don't.
however once you have seen the Truth, there is no turning back for me. no point of return looking into my crystal ball so to speak.
besides well.....i sure don't want to take any chances as no one has died and come back to tell me that the Koran is or is not a word of God. no harm in believing. it is one thing and good thing to question/wonder which you can do without rejecting. yeap, playing it safe! don't want to be looking stupid come judgment day. don't want to be a loser in this life or the next.
whatever faithful-jinn or others intentions may be, good to have discussions.
Well the Quran you say you believe in itself says its God who shapes our faith. Many believers died in the early days of the Muhamedan mission before most of the Quran was revealed. Others believed by certain signs that was given to Jesus or Moses and others. Faith is very complex. Scriptures are but one sign out of many. But I would appreciate it more if people would be honest about why they lost faith. Many people who say they lost faith are actually just angry with God or confused about Him. Arguing with them regarding the Quran is a waste of time. They will always try to look for some fault to justify their beliefs. I have gone through this. It is much better for a person who does not believe to hang around atheist forums where people share his beliefs and can relate to him. A Quranist forum is not designed for debates about faith. No forum really is because faith is not something we humans can control.
Remember what the Quran told the prophet
10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not
understand28.55-56 And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant," It is true thou wilt not be able to guide whom thou lovest; but God guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance.
"And when you see those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil causes you to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrongdoers. 668
I don't see the point in such debates since they go nowhere. I will never be able to convince them since they have no faith and neither will they be able to convince me. A person who lost faith has not much to lose but we on the other hand have faith and its the desire of the other party to make us lose that. What other motivation could there be?
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Nice stories.. as they say... "There's merely a thin line between love and hate"..
Those who you hate usually are those who you used to love the most..
And vice versa..http//www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1081242/Brain-line-love-hate-scientists-reveal.html
Salam / Peace
Good point.
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Nobody believes in Allah except by His will (10100). We are either destined for hell or destined for heaven and God is in control of this for it is all written in a book with Him. So if you believe it's only because Allah MADE you believe and if you disbelieve it is because Allah MADE you disbelieve yet one gets infinite reward and another gets infinite punishment.
Does that make any sense?
in the way you presented, no it doesn't make sense. faithful-jinn, you cannot take a sentence or part of it and run with it. if you read verses before and after 10100 then yes it does make more sense, at least to me it does. 1099-100, "if God had willed all the people on the earth would have come to believe, one and all. are you going to compel the people to believe except by God's dispensation? he puts doubt in the minds of those who do not think". Ahmed Ali's translation.
if you look at verses 1093 - 103, this is what i understand. there are those among us who will never believe no matter what. then you have those do not not think. and you have those who doubt. What God is saying is that if he willed, he could have made us all believers every single one of us (1099). So, I would be a believer. You would be a believer. Everyone on this earth would be a believer. But God gave us free will, choice. Believing or not believing is a choice we each make. I am not a believer because any person made me a believer that's for sure. No one can make you believe. Now, did God make me a believer?
What God is saying in 1099-100 is no persons can be compelled or forced to believe except by God's will. so you can preach to me till you are blue in the face, i will not believe UNLESS God wills that i do. in other words, you can't force belief on a person. this makes sense as i cannot force you to believe in God. i cannot force or will you to believe. however, God can will you to believe in him.
No one made me believe in God or Koran. I'd say that I came to believe on my own accord AND by God's guidance. I did not come to accept the Koran as a word of God easily. Many things lead me to believe that the Koran is from God.
ok faithful-jinn, my question for you if a believer gets infinite reward and disbeliever gets infinite punishment. Aren't you then being illogical by not disbelieving? This doesn't make sense to me. Also are you saying that it was God who lead you to disbelief as per what you say it is God who wills everything? Although the Koran doesn't really support your views as if God willed, he would have made us all believers 1099. Didn't you come to disbelief based on your own reasoning? brickwall
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in my case, my faith has been shaped by both - personal experiences and God's scriptures. i'd say many a times life experiences lead to losing faith but reading the Koran turned me around. i cannot imagine where or what shape i would be in if it were not for God's scriptures. each person is different. some have an emotional approach, some intellectual, some both or neither. God's scriptures helps me in understanding myself, others and the world that I live in. i'd say it has helped me be the person and where i am today.
Salaam,
I agree. I learn and shaped myself from my experiences and then when I find the same thing in AlQuraan I get the answer how to react to such situation. So, my experiences + AlQuraan made me shape up and make me the strong believer in AlQuraan and Allah. I don't think anything can turn me away from my Lord, except only if He wishes for me so.
This is how my believe becomes strong in AlQuraan as I found everything/ every incident happens in my life is already there in AlQuraan.
mmKhan
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Its not whether they believe or not, its what is their intention coming here and debating us. For what? We all know its a tough world out there and we all know that many things in life is confusing and God can never be fully understood not even by the prophets or angels. What is it they expect from us? They will go in circles. I have seen this before. You spend a lot of time answering their questions only to see them reject your interpretation. You see there are a million reasons to believe and a million reasons not to believe. Verses of the Quran are not relevant when it comes to issues regarding faith. If you believe you will agree with it if you don't you will not. Rather than tell us about their personal lives and why they lost faith, they want to go in circles about scriptures. People do not believe or not because of scriptures. How do you explain all this millions around the world who believe in scriptures. Its not that they are reading something different, Its things happening in their life. The Quran tells us those who do not believe whether yu warn them or not or present all the signs of the world they would not believe. So why bother? I just hate to see people waste their time. I had an experience here with one person who went in circles about slavery and the Quran. Desperately looking for oxygen. He did not want to take any interpretation that he thinks might defend the Quran and wanted anything to find to attack it. Some people hate those who have faith and wished they can lose it like they did. Because people who have faith go through the same challenges as others but the difference is they hanged in there while others threw the towel.Iit is that, and not scriptures, that determines a person's faith.
An honest person will tell you things about his personal life that made him lose faith, but that takes courage.
He says he lost his faith two days ago. Can u believe that? Two days and he is here debating? Most people would spend months going through emotions.
This is sincerity
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/1271874
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/787640
http//www.experienceproject.com/stories/Hate-God/2349939
Its not about scriptures, its about your personal experiences in life that shapes your faith. But at least with the above crowd they are being honest and sincere. Not beating around the bush. Its a waste of time.
Are you God? What makes you think your oversimplified view of how things work is the only correct one?
You are here parading your personal opinion as if it an undeniable fact.
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Well the Quran you say you believe in itself says its God who shapes our faith......because faith is not something we humans can control.
I don't see the point in such debates since they go nowhere. I will never be able to convince them since they have no faith and neither will they be able to convince me. A person who lost faith has not much to lose but we on the other hand have faith and its the desire of the other party to make us lose that. What other motivation could there be?
True God shapes our faith but we must also want to be shaped. Well, the other party can desire as much as they want but when your faith is firm and on solid ground, they are only wasting time. When someone is resolute in their disbelief or false beliefs, it is a waste of time just the same.
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Are you God? What makes you think your oversimplified view of how things work is the only correct one?
You are here parading your personal opinion as if it an undeniable fact.
What do I have other than my personal opinion? And I never said that my view is the only correct view I said that I am talking from my personal experience in this forum. All people here will do is quote verses of the Quran that you do not believe in anymore. If you have been here for two years than there is not much anybody can add. The issues you raised was discussed here many times and me myself have been involved with them and posted many threads regarding them. I see this going in circles. You will take the interpretation that will suit you. I had a guy here who talked about slavery in the Quran. When that didn't work he moved to why the Quran did not specifically condemn slavery. He wanted to find some fault, some criticism and something to attack the Quran with. He sounded desperate.There are tons of things the Quran did not specifically mentioned. Does he want me to answer why? He got me wasting my time a bit as i assumed he was simply not properly informed. I was wrong. He made a big decision and wanted the convenience of some here going along his path so he feels he was correct in what he did. Misery likes company.
One thing you are right about is that i should have just ignored you. There are many here who will do that. Cause it takes a lot of time to research and post and copy and paste relevant verses of the Quran. It sucks when you realize you were just wasting ur time. You could have easily looked at many threads opened here regarding the issues you raised. But you want to take us on a wild goose chase.
We shall see.
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in the way you presented, no it doesn't make sense. faithful-jinn, you cannot take a sentence or part of it and run with it. if you read verses before and after 10100 then yes it does make more sense, at least to me it does. 1099-100, "if God had willed all the people on the earth would have come to believe, one and all. are you going to compel the people to believe except by God's dispensation? he puts doubt in the minds of those who do not think". Ahmed Ali's translation.
if you look at verses 1093 - 103, this is what i understand. there are those among us who will never believe no matter what. then you have those do not not think. and you have those who doubt. What God is saying is that if he willed, he could have made us all believers every single one of us (1099). So, I would be a believer. You would be a believer. Everyone on this earth would be a believer. But God gave us free will, choice. Believing or not believing is a choice we each make. I am not a believer because any person made me a believer that's for sure. No one can make you believe. Now, did God make me a believer?
What God is saying in 1099-100 is no persons can be compelled or forced to believe except by God's will. so you can preach to me till you are blue in the face, i will not believe UNLESS God wills that i do. in other words, you can't force belief on a person. this makes sense as i cannot force you to believe in God. i cannot force or will you to believe. however, God can will you to believe in him.
No one made me believe in God or Koran. I'd say that I came to believe on my own accord AND by God's guidance. I did not come to accept the Koran as a word of God easily. Many things lead me to believe that the Koran is from God.
ok faithful-jinn, my question for you if a believer gets infinite reward and disbeliever gets infinite punishment. Aren't you then being illogical by not disbelieving? This doesn't make sense to me. Also are you saying that it was God who lead you to disbelief as per what you say it is God who wills everything? Although the Koran doesn't really support your views as if God willed, he would have made us all believers 1099. Didn't you come to disbelief based on your own reasoning? brickwall
I was just like you justamuslim. I converted at age 19. I had no background in Islam or the Qur'an. I'm a Californian from America I had no exposure. I was seeking God and I found Him and I thought He guided me to Islam.
I could see many thing in the Qur'an that were true. I could see how almost every single on of its rules resulted in a positive net gain in society. I could see how its rules decreased negativity and hostility between men. I could see how the Qur'an described human relations between men accurately and how the world worked. I could see how the argument for a Creator could be made and how perfect the world was for human survival and life in general.
On a spiritual level I could see how the Qur'an described deeply the effects of sin and righteousness. I could see the angels and the jinn invisibly acting behind the scenes. When I and others did evil I could truly see how the whispers of the jinn influenced us feeble humans to do evil and I could also see the light of God in righteous actions.
The thing is though I saw these things through a lense that would rationalize that this was all laid out in the Qur'an. There's also another point of view that these things simply occur and aren't proof of God. Say a year ago I get drunk and I get beat up and robbed. I would have said I deserved this because of my sin and God was punishing me. I would not only accept this, I would rationalize it in my head as EVIDENCE that God exists.
There's also the alternative that maybe this happened because I was in a bad area and I was targeted by some thugs. Nothing to do with God.
You yourself said that the scripture is illogical. If the scripture can be shown to be illogical and unreasonable then the scripture is false because it says if it were not from God there would be much contradiction. It says to PONDER on its verses. So then if I critically analyze the scripture and I come to the conclusion that it is not logical and probably not from God, then by the Qur'an's OWN CRITERIA it is not divine.
But this is my opinion and my own findings and understanding. I serve not what you serve peace
Now on to your questions. You offer me the explanation of Pascal's wager. The idea that if God is real or not real, the safe bet or wager is to believe in Him. If He's real you have a chance of salvation. If He's fake it doesn't matter anyway because you'll be dead.
Pascal's wager is silly for a couple reasons. One, I'm not going to willfully deceive myself or believe in something I know is false just for the chance to be saved. Two if God is real, He knows my thoughts and intentions and He knows I'm a hypocrite pretending to believe and I'll go to hell anyway.
Now you're last point is that I came to disbelief on my own. Yes I did. But according to YOUR scripture and YOUR belief system, God is an omniscient God. NOTHING happens outside of the will of God. All things that ever were or ever will come to pass are written in a book with God.
God is the one writing the rules here. Are you going to tell me that I have the power to defy the will of God? Am I somehow able to frustrate the plans or the DESIRES of an all-Powerful God?
You admit in your post that you came to believe on your own free will AND by God's guidance. Now do you believe that you could have believed without one or the other?
No this is patently false by your own belief system because the one criteria for believing is God must will you to believe. In the Qur'an it mentions many times that God hardens the disbelievers hearts against belief like in the case of the pharoah. I acknowledge that if God would have willed He would have made us all to believe. But judging by your own belief system God WANTS a creation where not everyone believes. Do you understand this now?
God doesn't even WANT us all to believe. He guides and misguides people by His own power. According to your beliefs we human beings cannot resist His power nor can we ever truly choose belief or disbelief unless He wills it.
And unto Allah leads straight the Way, but there are ways that turn aside if Allah had willed, He could have guided all of you. (169)
And if Allah had willed, He could have made you one religion, but He causes to stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. And you will surely be questioned about what you used to do. (1693)
He causes to stray whom He wills and guides whom He wills. So basically life and salvation is just luck of the draw. Either God picks you to be a righteous believer or you don't. According to your scripture.
There are many logical discrepancies in the organized religions and the Abrahamic faiths such as this one that have also been instrumental in my losing faith. There is much absurdity if you look at them objectively.
I trusted Islam because I thought the Qur'an was the divine word. I don't believe it's the divine word anymore so I have no reason to trust anything it has to say. If God really did write it then God is either a liar or He's not perfect. And if He's not perfect then He's not God anyway.
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One thing you are right about is that i should have just ignored you. There are many here who will do that. Cause it takes a lot of time to research and post and copy and paste relevant verses of the Quran. It sucks when you realize you were just wasting ur time. You could have easily looked at many threads opened here regarding the issues you raised. But you want to take us on a wild goose chase.
We shall see.
Why would I have to look at the threads here? I've read many of the threads here regarding these issues and I wanted to post MY personal opinion and findings. What gives you the right to say whether or not I should make this topic.
How am I taking you on a wild goose chase? Just because I have a difference in opinion than you now you're getting all pretentious that I shouldn't even bother posting my opinion because it's wasting your time.
If it's wasting your time then simply leave. I don't get why you keep posting in here when I've told you if you don't like it then leave and you yourself say it's a waste of time.
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Gentlemen, your petty little personal opinions are quite irrelevant and boring.
The issue here is simply that some of us came to believe that Quran is NOT direct from god, nor the word of god, nor the message for humanity nor for all times.
We came here to learn and find someone to teach us otherwise, or show us evidence that we made wrong conclusions perhaps.
Please debate in a spirit of fair play and with good manners which I expect even from Muslims.
Thank you
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You could have easily looked at many threads opened here regarding the issues you raised. But you want to take us on a wild goose chase.
We shall see.
with all do respect, defining someone is not right. we can question or talk about someone's actions but not talk about intentions or motivations Bigmo. faithful-jinn hasn't come out and said so himself what his purpose or intentions are. from what he has shared, he came to accept the koran and recently came to reject. now if he is so resolute in his rejection then no matter what he will never believe (as God says). if his motivation is to get people to join him in his rejection, those who want to join him will.
anyhow, what i would hate to see is if people stop sharing their thoughts, views, beliefs, opinions, experiences, doubts, etc.
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you are right. i don't believe in what you believe in. and you don't believe in what i believe in. to you your way and to me my way.
ok so now that you have rejected the koran, how do you feel? have you rejected God also? so what are you now? Atheist? Agnostic? what does it mean to you to reject the Koran?
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you are right. i don't believe in what you believe in. and you don't believe in what i believe in. to you your way and to me my way.
ok so now that you have rejected the koran, how do you feel? have you rejected God also? so what are you now? Atheist? Agnostic? what does it mean to you to reject the Koran?
Not so fast! You didn't address my main points for you quite yet.
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You yourself admitted the Qur'an is not fully logical. Why then would you choose to believe in a book that is illogical? By the Qur'an's own criteria if there is contradiction it is not from God. Do you not ponder on the verses?
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The whole thing with free will and belief. God has said that He doesn't even want us all to believe. He chooses who believes in Him and who disbelieves. We have no power over it unless you think that I have the power to frustrate the plans of God.
Are you suggesting that it is in any way reasonable or logical to create human beings, arbitrarily decide that some will believe and some won't immaterial of their own choice, then reward one group and punish the other? Why would an all-loving God make some of us destined for hell and some destined for heaven. That is not Merciful or Loving.
- Are you in any way open to the possibility that perhaps the books of scripture which we humans call holy are not actually from God?
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Peace all.
This forum is for debating views /ideas. All have the right to have their say. We are responsible to check and double check these views /ideas.
However those expecting people from this forum to give them answers/guide them to the truth are missing the point in all GOD s scripture.
GOD calls it" Idol worship". Only GOD Alone teaches/ explains/ guides to the truth.
GOD s criteria is submission and total loyalty to HIM Alone. Only trust in GOD. Do not rely on anyone else.
GOD tries your loyalty and sincerity.
May HE guide all those who seek HIM Alone and trust only in HIM.
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Peace all.
This forum is for debating views /ideas. All have the right to have their say. We are responsible to check and double check these views /ideas.
However those expecting people from this forum to give them answers/guide them to the truth are missing the point in all GOD s scripture.
GOD calls it" Idol worship". Only GOD Alone teaches/ explains/ guides to the truth.
GOD s criteria is submission and total loyalty to HIM Alone. Only trust in GOD. Do not rely on anyone else.
GOD tries your loyalty and sincerity.
May HE guide all those who seek HIM Alone and trust only in HIM.
Peace.How do you contact God. You say something about idol worship. I believe that the Qur'an is an idol. I've never personally spoken to God in any form, nor any of his angels.
The only symbol I have of God's message, attributes, wants, dislikes, desires, laws, etc. is the Qur'an. The Qur'an was the ultimate authority in my life. Do you understand what I'm getting at?
I'm not saying I worshipped the Qur'an but as the only medium that I as a Muslim have for God's guidance, the Qur'an is in a certain way an idol. You say trust in God alone and seek only Him.
How do you know what God wants or doesn't want? How do you know you're pleasing him or displeasing Him? Is he speaking to you personally? Did he send the angel Gabriel to let you know? The only source of evidence you have for your beliefs is the Qur'an. You put your faith in a book that is supposedly perfect and divine. If this book is shown to be imperfect and not actually divine then your belief crumbles and has no legs to stand on.
So what do you need the Qur'an for? If all you need is God then why do you need these books? Do you think the Qur'an is necessary to be a Muslim?
I don't want anyone to guide me to the truth here I simply want to discuss possibilities and ideas.
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what is your point?
i will state my beliefs clearly. i believe in God who is part of my life/existence. I believe in the hereafter. I believe in all of God's scriptures taking the Koran as my source of guidance in my life. I believe that the Koran is the word of God. It is complete.
If I find contradictions, it is not that God lied or is flawed. It means that I am in error in my understanding. if you apply logic and reason, the koran may not make sense. doesn't mean that koran is faulty. what is faulty is in my understanding, thinking, feeling, interpretation, etc. I question, ponder, reflect, wonder....but I am firm in my belief. as i said given my life experiences, i should be the first to reject the koran. i have in the past turned away from God but as bigmo said, we need to be honest to ourselves as to why. so, you can find me illogical, irrational, even crazy or mad in believing in the Koran.
as God says, the Koran is free of doubt and a guidance for those who preserve themselves from evil and follow the straight path. you, faithful-jinn, are not one of them. you made that choice. did God turn you to disbelief was it satan? it is satan's full time job to turn us away from the path of God. satan does his job by having you think and also by not having you think. he appeals to your emotions, your intellect. satan never rests. but satan has no power except of what you give him. i seek refuge in God from satan. i choose to follow the path of abraham, moses, jesus, muhammed. i choose to follow this straight path. i turned to God at a young age asking God for guidance as i questioned the islam that was taught to me as well as christianity, hinduism. yes, it was God who has guided me.
to you faithful-jinn, koran is contradictory, illogical and you can't understand questioning why people would believe in such a holy book. i suppose you can blame God for leading me to believe in His lies. yes, it is all God's fault that I believe in the holy book!
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what is your point?
i will state my beliefs clearly. i believe in God who is part of my life/existence. I believe in the hereafter. I believe in all of God's scriptures taking the Koran as my source of guidance in my life. I believe that the Koran is the word of God. It is complete.
If I find contradictions, it is not that God lied or is flawed. It means that I am in error in my understanding. if you apply logic and reason, the koran may not make sense. doesn't mean that koran is faulty. what is faulty is in my understanding, thinking, feeling, interpretation, etc. I question, ponder, reflect, wonder....but I am firm in my belief. as i said given my life experiences, i should be the first to reject the koran. i have in the past turned away from God but as bigmo said, we need to be honest to ourselves as to why. so, you can find me illogical, irrational, even crazy or mad in believing in the Koran.
as God says, the Koran is free of doubt and a guidance for those who preserve themselves from evil and follow the straight path. you, faithful-jinn, are not one of them. you made that choice. did God turn you to disbelief was it satan? it is satan's full time job to turn us away from the path of God. satan does his job by having you think and also by not having you think. he appeals to your emotions, your intellect. satan never rests. but satan has no power except of what you give him. i seek refuge in God from satan. i choose to follow the path of abraham, moses, jesus, muhammed. i choose to follow this straight path. i turned to God at a young age asking God for guidance as i questioned the islam that was taught to me as well as christianity, hinduism. yes, it was God who has guided me.
to you faithful-jinn, koran is contradictory, illogical and you can't understand questioning why people would believe in such a holy book. i suppose you can blame God for leading me to believe in His lies. yes, it is all God's fault that I believe in the holy book!
I'm being very honest with myself. It would have been very easy for me to believe as you believe and keep blaming myself for why this book doesn't make sense. Of course since I don't share your beliefs I'm unpure and have been influenced by shaitan.
Tell me how can shaitan influence anyone when God says in the Qur'an that He is the Creator of both good and evil? That all things come from Allah? Nothing happens outside of His will.
Are you now telling me that shaitan is more powerful than God? That shaitan has the power to frustrate God's plans and lead his creation astray?
It doesn't bother you that your book even admits that God doesn't even want us all to believe? What kind of sick game is He playing with us then?
I can see you didn't bother to answer my questions so I guess you don't want to be open minded to my questioning. In your eyes I'm a sinful fool with weak faith. In my eyes you're deluded and seduced by the promises of the words of men.
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AlQuraan is just the medium. It has been send to show us the path towards our TheCreator.
Unfortunately, people take Nabis, Rasools and AlQuraan as idols besides God. I agree on that. But all of them are just to make us aware of Allah, and let us know what is God and why we have been created, etc.
mmKhan