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Sourah 80 , My own translation

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    loxbox13
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    Salam all, I been searching, doing my best to understand the origin of words, in comparaison with other languages, plus some words that are similar to the quran that are used only in dialects in my country, wich are different than arabic language that is invented in Beirut

    the reason I am posting this, I chose this sourah for it is small, most people knows it , i will be posting more if I get corrections, or explanations with sens of course , to change words from the translation, or , just to have an opinion that it is on a good track, meaning logical track, for to be 100% , we will be needing another messenger
    most people knows how fascinated i am with the origin of words and the meanings of letters, exemple, the letter RA in it self, means VIEW, or SAD in itself means Sound etc... the whole language in human body and moral related, therefore every thing in the universe is named according to MAN's BODY and Man's ACTS

    Sourah 81

    1 -
    opposed and left
    2 -
    When came to him the imperceptive
    3 -
    And what relate to you that he might get heed
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    Or, he learns, and get help by the report
    5 -
    And who conceited
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    to him, you insist
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    it's not on you that he accepts
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    and who came to you pursuing
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    while he is worrying
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    you are on him quitting
    11 -
    Nay, but it's a thesis
    12 -
    Whom wishes, considers it
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    In archives, supreme
    14 -
    apparent rightfull
    15 -
    by hands transcribing
    16 -
    Supreme , purified
    17 -
    Condamned the insane, what made him disregard
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    from what thing he created him
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    From a sperm he created him, than graduated him
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    Than the path, he eased for him
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    Than took his life, and put im in a grave
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    Than when he wishes, he arises him
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    Nay, what he dicided for his affairs
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    so, the insane just look a your aliments
    25 -
    We filled the water fallings
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    than we cloved the ground, assunder
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    than we growed in it grains
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    And vines and canes
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    And olives and trees
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    and farms of crop
    31 -
    And fruits and berrys
    32 -
    Wellfare for you and your wells
    33 -
    So when the thunderous came
    34 -
    the moment, man flees his brother
    35 -
    his mother and father
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    His spouse and children
    37 -
    every man, that day, in a matter engaged
    38 -
    faces in that day plaudit
    39 -
    joyfull, cheerfull
    40 -
    And faces in that day , over it covering
    41 -
    tiring by failure
    42 -
    that, are the disregarding, the sprouting

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      GODsubmitter
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      Thank you! It is always nice to read updated translations.

      I admire your love for etymology, since I am fascinated by it, too.

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        loxbox13
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        Thank you! It is always nice to read updated translations.

        I admire your love for etymology, since I am fascinated by it, too.

        Hi, I'm glad
        if you notice, when you search for the word, it's composition, in all languages of the world, you find a word that is imilar to the quranic word, and you put it in a translation, it makes perfect sense, no matter what ayah it is, the word , the smae word makes sense in every ayah

        about etymology , it is not enaugh, you have to know the origin of words, and how they fabricated languages, what rules they used , for exemple , in the quran , the letter M is opposite for the letter F or B
        exemple, UM = mother, it's opposite is AB = Father
        or Bukaa = Crying , it's opposite Mukaa , has to be the opposite of crying, therefore Mukaa = Mockery

        you have to know that there are many words made in anagrams, they couldn't make a direct word from the quran, in case it doesn't work with the accent, they use anagrams , or simple "Verlan" backward pronounciation
        exemple

        taqwa = Ethics , they modify a little, the word so it suits the accent
        give an opinion with the translation, because I first did it with etymology , than translated it in correct sentences, in what mekes more sense, quranicly speaking

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          IAMOP
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          A refreshingly original way of analysing the quran!

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            Wakas
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            peace/salaam,

            Posting a self-translation is fine.

            I am open to new translations, but only if they are accurate. Thus, before I read such a translation, I would need to know what method/principles have you applied, and can the result be verified/checked - if so, how, etc.

            All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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              Mazhar
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              1 -
              opposed and left

              Who? There is an identified person who is the subject of these verbs. There is no verb in the language without a specific doer.

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                loxbox13
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                peace/salaam,

                Posting a self-translation is fine.

                I am open to new translations, but only if they are accurate. Thus, before I read such a translation, I would need to know what method/principles have you applied, and can the result be verified/checked - if so, how, etc.

                salam bro,
                it depends on what appears accurate to some, it doesn't to some others
                exemple, if you're into religion, tasbeeh means repeating continasly the word subhan alllah, but when throwing religion behind, and thinking that the quran is only what makes sense, it become another story

                well, if it makes sense to someone, means it's accurate, therefore , to decide if it's accurate or not, the mind has to be totally opened, and has to understand every people , of how they seee things

                the method I use, is this, I use the word itself, in comapraison with meaning in the verse, the same word used in other verses, and with etymologie , the same word's meaning in other languages, and also, the same word, or similar words used in the dialects of the middle east and north africa , that I decide wich word makes more sense, and to verify, the same word's translation has to fil in every verse, where that word is used

                exemple
                Abassa , I used the sense, ofcourse, it sound like negatif, because of the imperceptive man was not welcomed, therefoer, it could be "frowned" as usually translated, and this word can never be prouved that it is the correct translation
                I used the street dialects of the middle east, for exemple, in egypt, they say BASS , wich means Pause, or Stop , and the letter ? , wich is used in the quran as over, or on, in most words, therefore a bassa can be understood as over stop, or over pause , the words that fits in opposed , as in frensh oppos?

                to verify the result, use the word, exemple, it has to fit, if it doesn't than it is not the correct word

                PS Can you please correct the title, i made a mistake aabout the sourah number, i put 81 , while it is number 80 , thank you

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                  loxbox13
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                  Who? There is an identified person who is the subject of these verbs. There is no verb in the language without a specific doer.

                  WHO . no one , it is only a lessen, the one who opposed was no one, the sourah is a lessen, not a messenger nor a prophet

                  if you read this verse that comes right after the event
                  11 -
                  Nay, but it's a thesis

                  it sounds as if it is a negation of the story, saying ( no, this is just a thesis, theory, lesson) , as if the receiver of the message said ME ??? , no, it is just a "tadhkira "
                  this is how i understood it after the translation , I might be wrong, but than , I might be correct, anyway, no harm done, one thing is sure, not a prophet the ABASSA , but it is a lesson to all of us

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                    loxbox13
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                    Who? There is an identified person who is the subject of these verbs. There is no verb in the language without a specific doer...

                    WHO ? . no one , it is only a lessen, the one who opposed was no one, the sourah is a lessen, not a messenger nor a prophet

                    if you read this verse that comes right after the event
                    11 -
                    Nay, but it's a thesis

                    it sounds as if it is a negation of the story, saying ( no, this is just a thesis, theory, lesson), as if the receiver of the message said ME ? , no, it is just a "tadhkira "
                    this is how i understood it after the translation , I might be wrong, but than , I might be correct, anyway, no harm done, one thing is sure, not a prophet the ABASSA , but it is a lesson to all of us

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                      Mazhar
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                      WHO . no one , it is only a lessen, the one who opposed was no one, the sourah is a lessen, not a messenger nor a prophet

                      One could say like it about a Verbal Noun/Infinitive but to say it about a Verb is strange.

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                        Wakas
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                        salaam,

                        well, if it makes sense to someone, means it's accurate...

                        ... to that person.

                        This is of little use to others. For example, when an engineer builds an aeroplane they do not build it according to what makes sense to them, they build it according to what has been proven to work, with sufficient evidence behind it.

                        Thanks for discussing your method. The proof is in the tasting of the pudding, as the saying goes.

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                          loxbox13
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                          One could say like it about a Verbal Noun/Infinitive but to say it about a Verb is strange.

                          he opposed and left
                          the he , is unknown, anyone that is in a similar situation, i don't understande what you mean by your remarks, maybe, yu mean i should write , HE OPPOSED AND TURNED AWAY, of HE OPPOSED AND HE LEFT
                          is that what you mean ?

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                            loxbox13
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                            salaam,

                            ... to that person.
                            ...The proof is in the tasting of the pudding, as the saying goes.

                            so what do you see in, my translation ? away from reality, wrong ? or sounds normal
                            i believe there is some words I couldn't find, some I fell 100% sure , others I feel like this "more likely"

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