Check out this poem about WOMEN
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You only say that Sir, because they are resposible for your present state.
Looool
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I'm sorry but WTF?!?!?!
It's things like this that drive me crazy, like today I was just trying to get some information about fasting and then I came across the line that says what one should avoid while fasting for Ramadan and it said "avoid advocating of unislamic practices such as democracy and socialism".
Complete and utter garbage. SMH, when I constantly read and come across things like this it is really hard on my faith honestly because it would just feel like it would be easier to go back and pretend I never even found Quran and God in the first place.
I'm no fan of democracy (and I definitely am an opponent of socialism), but I get that. And what puzzles me is, why is it that we must avoid doing these particular acts only when fasting? confused
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I don?t get how they got inquisitiveness as a form of negative. There is a famous hadith i really like ?knowledge is a treasure and questions are its key? how can one expand if they do not ask and enquire, inquisition is good
peace
Dear Sarah,
Maybe they meant asking too many question when it's not in your business but they could have used nosy instead ! -
yeh maybe
I'm no fan of democracy (and I definitely am an opponent of socialism), but I get that. And what puzzles me is, why is it that we must avoid doing these particular acts only when fasting? confused
because it's the perfect time for a spiritual high? when are muslims most committed into being muslims? fasting is a big struggle, so i dunno maybe that's it
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I must be one of the ugliest women in the world with my education and traveling and dreams of law school. Not to mention I show my hair and wear deordorant. Worst of all I have no children which ofncourse makes me worthless. And here I thought that Allah created Man and Woman from one spirit and women and men could do the same things except what He has forbidden of made physically impossible.
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I'm sorry but WTF?!?!?!
It's things like this that drive me crazy, like today I was just trying to get some information about fasting and then I came across the line that says what one should avoid while fasting for Ramadan and it said "avoid advocating of unislamic practices such as democracy and socialism".
Complete and utter garbage. SMH, when I constantly read and come across things like this it is really hard on my faith honestly because it would just feel like it would be easier to go back and pretend I never even found Quran and God in the first place.
Peace,
IMHO, (you) we shouldn't let other people's and "scholars" ignorance affect (y)our trust in God.
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I must be one of the ugliest women in the world with my education and traveling and dreams of law school. Not to mention I show my hair and wear deordorant. Worst of all I have no children which ofncourse makes me worthless. And here I thought that Allah created Man and Woman from one spirit and women and men could do the same things except what He has forbidden of made physically impossible.
lol. in other words, following points make you ugly according to traditional islam
- You travel without a mehram (women travelling alone means giving women the chance to commit adultery)
- Instead of dreaming of pleasing your husband and giving birth to many children, you dream of law school? Woman, you dont have to dream of law school.. dream of having a muslim husband instead and he will provide you with money so you dont need to study law.
And dont forget to give birth to a lot of sons so they can provide for you as well. (in other words, make sure that you always depend on men) - You dont have children? You are going against your nature. The nature of woman is to give birth to a lot of children and caring for them (in other words, women are birth machines).
- Yes yes men and women are equal but not identical due to the difference in nature. Thats why only men can become khalifas, have four wifes etc. (in other words, men and women are not equal)
Peace
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I'm sorry but WTF?!?!?!
It's things like this that drive me crazy, like today I was just trying to get some information about fasting and then I came across the line that says what one should avoid while fasting for Ramadan and it said "avoid advocating of unislamic practices such as democracy and socialism".
Complete and utter garbage. SMH, when I constantly read and come across things like this it is really hard on my faith honestly because it would just feel like it would be easier to go back and pretend I never even found Quran and God in the first place.
I understand where you are coming from, it can be difficult in the beginning. Especially when you hear 2x more negative than positive. When I was going through this, I turned to Quran. Over time you will learn to tune out the others that are effecting your faith. When it is new, you get overwhelmed. You'll be fine sweety, trust in Allah with an open heart. He will never leave you.
Meemz, You made me laugh with the I show my hair and wear deodorant. Sadly what Maha said is true. What about the women must seek her husbands permission to fast. UGH. There really is a difference between men and women. the men feel the rule, even though I can do everything they can except get someone prego. My daughter will never rely on a man. If she wants a husband fine, it will be to enhance her life and who she is, not drain it.
The men would never accept a poem written in the same fashion towards them.
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Salaam,
It's all about perception of beauty, which differs from one individual to another. It does not necessarily mean that those qualities equate oppression.
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER SILENCE rather than her speech
Some say "silence is golden". Does it mean they advocate oppression? I believe it means that the ability to refrain from vain talk/speech demonstrates a woman's beauty.
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER HIJAB rather than displaying her open hair
As much as you disagree with it, a headscarf is a standard of female modesty for some Muslims.
In your own standard, you will probably find women who dress modestly to be more attractive than those who bare it all.
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER SUBMISSION rather that her leadership
Perhaps it means attitude in the household? I don't think many men will fancy being emasculated and ordered around in a relationship. Whilst I believe in equality, I can understand why some people advocate this submission thing.
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER SMILE rather than her laughter
I, for one, find a man who smiles to be more charming than those who keep laughing unnecessarily.
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER PATIENCE rather than her inquisitiveness
On this context, I believe that the author means "inquisitiveness" to be "prying/being meddlesome" as s/he compares it with patience. So really, it means a woman's patience is better that her trying to meddle in someone else's affairs (which admittedly, many women do).
The beauty of a woman lies IN UPBRINGING HER OFFSPRING rather than herself
I can't see what is wrong with that statement? Caring for her offspring more than herself... is it not what most women do when they have children?
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER EXPERIENCE rather than her age
And again, what is from with it? A woman's maturity is not determined by her age, but rather her knowledge and experience. That is essentially what the author is trying to convey.
The beauty of a woman lies IN HER HEART DEPTH rather than in skin deep
Are you saying you don't agree with it????
The beauty of a woman lies in her PERSPIRATION rather than her perfumes
It means, a woman's effort and striving to do good far exceeds her trying to polish her physical self. And I damn agree with this statement.
The beauty of a woman lies in PLEASING her LORD because He is the creator of such a beautiful thing called ?Woman?...
Far out... don't tell me you don't agree with it?
I really see nothing wrong with this poem. It pretty much says that a beautiful Muslim woman is not the one who just looks physically beautiful, but she who displays modesty, patience and piousness and she who strives to be in God's path. Jeebuz people, not all that are written by traditional Muslims are bad and in need of criticism/mockery.
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Cheers all!
Regarding the poem in question, I think it is as good as the intention and feeling behind it... which we don't know unless we closely know the poet.
But from my standpoint, I think it is stupid to say that the beauty of a woman lies in EITHER of those things mentioned. I think the beauty of a woman lies in ALL those things mentioned, both submission and leadership, both smile and laughter, not just half of them... but the whole poem lives on the fact that there are some fancy looking set of "opposites". They whole poem is a bit cheezy. Perhaps the poet put more effort into finding word pairs that would fit in the context, than writing out of inspiration and emotion. Perhaps the poem is some sort of apologetic thing, trying to pour perfume and pink petals and rosy lenses on the otherwise limping and fungus-ridden view of woman in Sunnism and the like.
Those that see the poem as disgusting... I completely understand that... but that may also have to do with what we think about in connection or extension to the poem, i.e. the traditional religious view of a woman's role, qualities and value. So if we think and remind ourselves of the negative aspects of society, and people's dull and ignorant minds, then I too want to catch fire out of disgust. I'm sick of people/groups who labels others, restricts others, degrade others and thereby shout out their own tremendous and unnecessary ignorance of the true spirit of life and show how extremely fear and lack based their own thinking in practical reality is. But, ... we see what we choose to see... there is no escape from this fact.
Peace and love to you all folks!
sun