:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::

Mazhar

Salaam,

I totally agree. It always costs me a lot of time just to translate his posts (the ones which are full of grammar terms) let alone understanding them. Even translators have trouble with some of those terms. When he explains normally it's more refreshing.

Perhaps, I have to bring in the grammar with those posts where some friends of the forum handle Ayah at their own assigning them meanings by seeing similar looking words at some other places. I will try to make terms simpler by defining or giving their meanings and connotations they add to the sentences.

But you just see that there are 58 pages discussion where our sister moderator is very active, discussion is going on and on without firt determining the meanings of words which is neither a noun nor an idiom but a complete sentence. Even for English word used making it the premises of the thread none cares to see whether it is abstract or a substantive noun.

savage_carrot

Perhaps, I have to bring in the grammar with those posts where some friends of the forum handle Ayah at their own assigning them meanings by seeing similar looking words at some other places. I will try to make terms simpler by defining or giving their meanings and connotations they add to the sentences.

But you just see that there are 58 pages discussion where our sister moderator is very active, discussion is going on and on without firt determining the meanings of words which is neither a noun nor an idiom but a complete sentence. Even for English word used making it the premises of the thread none cares to see whether it is abstract or a substantive noun.

You wound me Mazhar, deeply p Discussion goes on for different reasons...in the case of that thread in particular I already have notes regarding the subject 'grammatically'; (neither did I read most of your posts or most of the other posters on that thread) I like discussing from different angles. Not only does it broaden my understanding, but it also helps me tear it down to basics via reasoning as opposed to myopic examinations when confronted with another pov regardless of it being 'crazy talk'. It's more rigid for you, I can appreciate that (mmkhan, this time I finally might be appreciating the right thing)...but don't think that other people should always discuss in ways that you'd heartily approve of.

mmkhan

Well, I will try to give you some others aayaats to see how they are constructed.

4028
4028 And a believing man said who was from the family of Pharaoh who concealed his faith, "Do you kill a man because he says, 'My Lord is Allah ' while he has brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he should be lying, then upon him is his lie; but if he should be truthful, there will strike you some of what he promises you. Indeed, Allah does not guide one who is a transgressor and a liar.

4029
4029 O my people, sovereignty is yours today, dominant in the land. But who would protect us from the punishment of Allah if it came to us?" Pharaoh said, "I do not show you except what I see, and I do not guide you except to the way of right conduct."

4030
4030 And he who believed said, "O my people, indeed I fear for you like the day of the companies

4031
4031 Like the custom of the people of Nooh and of 'Aad and Thamud and those after them. And Allah wants no injustice for servants.

4032
4032 And O my people, indeed I fear for you the Day of Calling

When it is mentioned that the one who believed started saying in 4028, then what is use of repeating it by saying "the one who believed said" in 4030? Why no subject pronoun is used?

When already it is said in "yaa qaumi" in 4029, why is it necessary to use the same word in 4030 and 4032, where we already know whom this person is addressing.

What your grammar says on this?

Another example

3330
3330 O wives of the Prophet, whoever of you should commit a clear immorality - for her the punishment would be doubled two fold, and ever is that, for Allah , easy.

3331
3331 And whoever of you devoutly obeys Allah and His Messenger and does righteousness - We will give her her reward twice; and We have prepared for her a noble provision.

3332
3332 O wives of the Prophet, you are not like anyone among women. If you fear Allah , then do not be soft in speech , lest he in whose heart is disease should covet, but speak with appropriate speech.

Now, please educate me Mazhar with you grammar.

1- Who is mentioned in 3331, if you say, they are referring to wives of the prophet, then why 3332 again used "O wives of the prophet"?

2- If you say, they are referring not to wives of the prophet, but it is general for all, then why you are mixing up 255 and 267?

Other points we will discuss later after clarifying this first, inshaAllah. Other points also includes Bani Israel is different than Musa's qaum.

May Allah increase me in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Mazhar