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    GODsubmitter
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    Thank you for the answer.

    I also like listening to chanting of the Quran, especially since I've heard that some people think it has even soothing affect, even curing effect, like Rukiya and stuff...

    But you did not answer my little question )
    I would like to ask you a little thing, could you please tell me where did you read those turning point information, and which site it was that moved you to tears? Was it something else, or just MasjidTuscon website?

    Thank you.

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      johan
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      Salaam Johan dan Donny,

      Wuaaahhh ada lagi orang Indonesia di Free Minds. Met kenaaal! Kalian aktif juga di FAS engga?

      Salaam BornAgain,

      met kenal juga )
      belum pernah denger FAS..forum apa?

      Salaam

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        donnyw
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        Thank you for the answer.

        I also like listening to chanting of the Quran, especially since I've heard that some people think it has even soothing affect, even curing effect, like Rukiya and stuff...

        But you did not answer my little question )
        I would like to ask you a little thing, could you please tell me where did you read those turning point information, and which site it was that moved you to tears? Was it something else, or just MasjidTuscon website?

        Thank you.

        Glad that you find more knowledge and closer to God brother, may God bless you more.
        By the way in my opinion do not concentrate on chanting Quran without you understand or read its translation (meaning). As Quran is actually a guidance, so we should read and learn to understand, I agree in some degree listening to Quran recitation (in Arabic) is soothing, but without really learning it, I believe it is just inviting God's wrath. As God send Quran to be read and learnt.
        Also do not believe that Quran can cure or some sort of that, as the cure is coming from Allah only, some people making Quran as magic book instead of learning it.

        Yes, the web at MasjidTucson that moved me to tears, because that was when I first realized the real reason why I'm being here in earth, so this life is not what I'm thinking about before, it is not about living as good, kind people as I believed earlier, it is actually not enough, as the real life is about to uphold one god which is God and nothing else, not even the hadith which I came to know are just conjecture. I came to realized that this is crucial part of our life and I cried because God still let me know this knowledge, means God still allow me to repent despite so many sins I have done in the past and neglecting Him.

        I dont know if God fully accept my repentance or not, nobody knows, and i realized we also do not know our view is right or wrong, even we dont know whether MasjidTucson website is fully right or many of it has mistakes.

        Most important in my opinion, is not to get back to old habit which is to idolize anything, not even idolizing Dr Rashad, not Muhammad, no sect even they claim as Quran alone follower like Submitter, because personality or entity is not important, the most important is the message. They are just human, we can learn but never idolize anything, we get true knowledge only when God allows.

        Wish you find more truth brother and share your finding with us.

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          GODsubmitter
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          Thank you brother for your sincere and good words! sun

          group

          peace

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            BornAgain
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            Salaam Donny dan Johan,

            FAS itu forum Allah Semata, versi Indonesianya Free Minds. Tapi forumnya sepiiii banget, paling cuma 5-7 orang yang aktif.

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              johan
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              Salaam Donny dan Johan,

              FAS itu forum Allah Semata, versi Indonesianya Free Minds. Tapi forumnya sepiiii banget, paling cuma 5-7 orang yang aktif.

              Salam BornAgain,
              yg ini tho?
              http//allah-semata.org/forum/index.php
              sip..ntar di browse..inshaallah

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                Patanahi
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                ......because that was when I first realized the real reason why I'm being here in earth, so this life is not what I'm thinking about before, it is not about living as good, kind people as I believed earlier, it is actually not enough.....

                Hi Donnyw
                Your quote above is interesting for me as I have started to feel exactly the opposite of what you have mentioned i.e. Earlier, from a so called religious person, I feel these days that that the real reason why I am being here on earth (so this life is actually what I never thought before) is actually about living as good, kind person and it is actually seems to be enough for me these days. Seems I am going in a wrong direction!!

                This is what I have been thinking earlier and despite changing my focal point a number of times, I feel getting nowhere!!

                Salam and welcome

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                  GODsubmitter
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                  I believe in the life before death! sun

                  peace

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                    donnyw
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                    Hi Donnyw
                    Your quote above is interesting for me as I have started to feel exactly the opposite of what you have mentioned i.e. Earlier, from a so called religious person, I feel these days that that the real reason why I am being here on earth (so this life is actually what I never thought before) is actually about living as good, kind person and it is actually seems to be enough for me these days. Seems I am going in a wrong direction!!

                    This is what I have been thinking earlier and despite changing my focal point a number of times, I feel getting nowhere!!

                    Salam and welcome

                    Salam Patanahi, thank you for your reply and wish God bless you more.

                    Just to convey my opinion, all 'religions' including 'Islam' which is believed by most people right now emphasizes of effort to be kind and good person and they said this is the true goal of living in this world.

                    I dont say that it is incorrect, but it is not enough.

                    Remember in AlBaqarah Allah said there are 3 minimum criteria of being a true believer who will go to heaven.

                    1. Believe in Allah
                    2. Believe in the Judgement day
                    3. Doing righteous work

                    So being kind, good person qualify us for some part of no 3, hence to be righteous not only being kind, good, just, fair people, but we also know that it is also to observe salat, zakat etc. There is purpose of that, and eventually it is clear the command of the 'rituals' is indeed to make a person to have a strong and good characters.

                    Anyhow how about point 1 and 2? Eventually being righteous (no 3) only is not enough to meet those two other important criteria, because that is the life is about, earth wasn't created by God for no reason, God can keep us in heaven if He only wants us to observe being righteous (point 3), but earth was created because this is a testing ground for not only point 3, but equally if not more important point 1 and 2, which is not possible if no earth in first place, of course if all people is still in Heaven, they know God exist nobody will be atheist or idol worshiper, but in earth we see the true color of human revealed, indeed some of them do not believe God exist at all, some believe but require other person or object to believe (idol worshiper)!

                    So life in earth will reveal the true color of a person, he can be kind and good people, but deeper in his heart he simply just an opponent of God, how many atheist people that are good people? I believe many of them, but they are just opponent of God.

                    This is my opinion.

                    Salam.

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                      donnyw
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                      Salam BornAgain,
                      yg ini tho?
                      http//allah-semata.org/forum/index.php
                      sip..ntar di browse..inshaallah

                      Iya maaf baru ngeh ini yg dimaksud BornAgain, saya pernah join diisitu, tapi sepi sekali ;D

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                        unknownuser
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                        Wa Salaams! I am so happy that I had the chance to read your story...especially how you cried and felt fear. It is scary, isn't it...to have everything you thought you knew was correct come crashing down? For me, going this on my own is what is scary, although I am a very opinionated person, LOL.

                        May Allah guide us on the straight path of truth always, amin.

                        With peace,

                        Amina

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                          hawk99
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                          Welcome, and congradulations!

                          6125] Whomever GOD wills to guide, He renders his chest wide open to Submission. And whomever He wills to send astray, He renders his chest intolerant and straitened, like one who climbs towards the sky.* GOD thus places a curse upon those who refuse to believe.

                          If GOD renders one's heart content with Submission, he will be following a light from his Lord. Therefore, woe to those whose hearts are hardened against GOD's message; they have gone far astray.

                          Note the chaos in many muslim countries because of their idolatry

                          reflect on the Garden of Eden
                          make your life between you and God

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                            Andantino
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                            Iya maaf baru ngeh ini yg dimaksud BornAgain, saya pernah join diisitu, tapi sepi sekali ;D

                            this is another thread for Quranist Muslim, please google "Quranist Kaskus" D

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                              BornAgain
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                              this is another thread for Quranist Muslim, please google "Quranist Kaskus" D

                              Ahahahaha Adhek promosi thread sendiri )))). Gini-gini Kakak hampir ga pernah ngunjungi thread kaskusmu p

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