Inheritance: Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance.
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Hi guys,
I appreciate the effort, but this whole inheritance is very confusing to me. Is there anything in Quran which states I can't just make a will and distribute the way I feel is best? I looked and I did not see anything, but I am not as versed as most of you.
I have (so far ) ) 1 daughter and 2 sons. (and my hubby of course) After my husband, I have everything split up even amongst my children, regardless of gender. I guess I don't understand why the female get less than the male.
1 daughter and 2 sons. The share at the point in time of death of you if the property is still held by you, the mandatory share is 2/3rd allocated by Allah the Exalted. This 2/3 is divivided into 5 equal shares, one share going to daughter and two equaivalent shares going each to son. In this two third you do not have discretion to bequest.
Remaining 1/3rd is at your discretion to distribute it amongst your kin, spouse, mother and father whoever survives you.
In case of a single daughter she has the mandatory share of 1/2. None can alter it.
In case of single son, he may or may not get the 1/2 depending upon the judgment of the dying father or mother.
A woman is to be sought with wealth for making her one's wife-pearl of his life. She will get a share from the brother of some other sister. And her brother will have to share some from inherited equal to share of two sisters to the sister of someone else. An equality is maintained somehow.
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Thank you!
I understand what you are saying, I see how it equals out. However, I don't want my daughter to rely on a man, when it comes to finances and taking care of herself and doing the things she needs to do. (college, buying a car or home, etc.) When she does get married, I expect her to be a good wife with kindness and understanding. Her husband will have a responsible woman, who can help him when things get tough. I guess it is how I was raised more so than anything else. What I have seen ( in my country) is the women being the stronger more reliable source. My grandmother gets no help from her 2 sons. It is my mother and aunt who pay for and do everything for her, they are even in charge of her affairs when she dies, because she can't trust her sons to do the right thing and be fair. Now my mother just has me and my sister, but I am the one that will handle her affairs as I have a better understanding than my sister in these matters. With all that said, no one in my family is Muslim either, so we hold to different standards I suppose.
Again, Thank you it is appreciated!
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Thank you!
I understand what you are saying, I see how it equals out. However, I don't want my daughter to rely on a man, when it comes to finances and taking care of herself and doing the things she needs to do. (college, buying a car or home, etc.) When she does get married, I expect her to be a good wife with kindness and understanding. Her husband will have a responsible woman, who can help him when things get tough. I guess it is how I was raised more so than anything else. What I have seen ( in my country) is the women being the stronger more reliable source. My grandmother gets no help from her 2 sons. It is my mother and aunt who pay for and do everything for her, they are even in charge of her affairs when she dies, because she can't trust her sons to do the right thing and be fair. Now my mother just has me and my sister, but I am the one that will handle her affairs as I have a better understanding than my sister in these matters. With all that said, no one in my family is Muslim either, so we hold to different standards I suppose.
Again, Thank you it is appreciated!
This is what the men have done under the slogan of "emancipation of women". Here in Islam too, there is no restriction that a mother or father transfers any property rights during life time to the title of his/her daughter. Mandatory shares have been prescribed where men can do blatent injustice to relatively weaker segments of one's family and kin.
The surviving Mother of a deceased man shall invariably get 1/3rd of inheritance regardless she had been divorced by his father when the dying man was just a kid. Sanctity, respect and honour of relations is much emphasized by Qur'aan.
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Unfortunately, all including you brother Noon, wish to allocate to make mathematical total as 1, using own discretion, not that of judgement of Qur'aan.
The point that is ignored is the CONDITION given for each situation.
A man dying in situation leaving behind a daughter may or may not have surviving parents. Instead he might be having an orphaned grandson or granddaughter. It is he to decide about 1/2 of the inheritance left to his discretion, not the mathematicians.The Parts of Distribution
1- Cut from the Whole and fixedly Allocated to certain beneficiaries by Allah the Exalted.
2. Allocated by the Dying Man or Woman, the remaining after allocation by Allah the Exalted.Peace Mazhar -- It?s clear the deceased is most assuredly dead!
412 and to you half what left your spouse?s (i.e. expired!)
412 and if is a man inherited (i.e. deceased!)
4176 if person died is not to person waladun/child1 daughter and 2 sons. The share at the point in time of death of you if the property is still held by you, the mandatory share is 2/3rd allocated by Allah the Exalted. This 2/3 is divivided into 5 equal shares, one share going to daughter and two equaivalent shares going each to son. In this two third you do not have discretion to bequest.
Remaining 1/3rd is at your discretion to distribute it amongst your kin, spouse, mother and father whoever survives you.
Why you avoid answering simply questions? Where does it say 2/3 is to daughters and son?
falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) 2/3 -- where is the male?
The mother and father of the deceased Man are both living. The condition is if He had a solitary son. The noun is singular in nominate state with Tanween, and it is the Noun of Verb Kana. Except signifying a singular son, nothing else can even remotely be considered. The share of Father and Mother is fixed by Allah. There is no mention of the share of Son. It is to be decided by the deceased.
Great dead people making decisions. Ask anyone if they have a son, yes/no?
The reason you avoid siblings; your logic, math, and distribution inconsistent.
Hi guys,
I appreciate the effort, but this whole inheritance is very confusing to me. Is there anything in Quran which states I can't just make a will and distribute the way I feel is best? I looked and I did not see anything, but I am not as versed as most of you.
I have (so far ) ) 1 daughter and 2 sons. (and my hubby of course) After my husband, I have everything split up even amongst my children, regardless of gender. I guess I don't understand why the female get less than the male.
Hi Indelwyn -- you can give everything or nothing to anyone you like. Inheritance is if deceased left no will.
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Peace Mazhar -- It?s clear the deceased is most assuredly dead!
412 and to you half what left your spouse?s (i.e. expired!)
The word "Inheritance" becomes relevant only when the man dies and has just become dead. Before his death he is required to make the Bequest if he falls in the category of a Muttaqe.
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The mother and father of the deceased Man are both living. The condition is if He had a solitary son. The noun is singular in nominate state with Tanween, and it is the Noun of Verb Kana. Except signifying a singular son, nothing else can even remotely be considered. The share of Father and Mother is fixed by Allah. There is no mention of the share of Son. It is to be decided by the deceased.
Great dead people making decisions. Ask anyone if they have a son, yes/no?
We know the principles of reading and interpreting an ordinary book and book of rules and regulations, but seldom apply the same rules and regulations with regard to Qur'aan which is also the Book.
Provisions of regulations are not repeated time and again. The man before having become the deceased is ordered to make the Bequest for his wealth without interfering with that Part which is earmarked by Allah the Exalted. People are constantly ignoring the Basics of Inheritance Law.
The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near Blood relatives, in accordance with the well known norms, has been prescribed-decreed upon you at the point in time when the natural death has approached someone of you people, in case he is leaving behind worldly wealth.
This is mandatory-incumbent upon people who are cautious, heedful and mindful in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.Brother, this is the most imp point which is not being considered.
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The word "Inheritance" becomes relevant only when the man dies and has just become dead. Before his death he is required to make the Bequest if he falls in the category of a Muttaqe.
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Brother, this is the most imp point which is not being considered.
Brother, you avoiding answering simple questions and clear verses say they are dead!
4176 if person died is not to person waladun/child
What if he dies, accident, gets killed, no will, little children, siblings, or grown ups -- who decides then?
Where does it say 2/3 is to daughters and son?
falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) 2/3 -- where is the male?
How are going to get to the siblings when you cannot even get past the children?
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Brother, you avoiding answering simple questions and clear verses say they are dead!
4176 if person died is not to person waladun/child
What if he dies, accident, gets killed, no will, little children, siblings, or grown ups -- who decides then?
Where does it say 2/3 is to daughters and son?
falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) 2/3 -- where is the male?
How are going to get to the siblings when you cannot even get past the children?
This is not being comprehended merely because you are not treating this injunction being in Qur'aan and the basic regulation for distribution of inheritance.
The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near Blood relatives, in accordance with the well known norms, has been prescribed-decreed upon you at the point in time when the natural death has approached someone of you people, in case he is leaving behind worldly wealth.
This is mandatory-incumbent upon people who are cautious, heedful and mindful in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.And you are forgetting that this finds mention both in 411 and 412.
The word OR between Bequeath and Dainin reflects either, thereby, there is the possibility that the deceased could not make the bequest for reason, say sudden death or murder. Perhaps, I earlier quoted you the Ayah where the maintainers of inheritance are allowed to consume judiciously from the inheritance. The kin are then to decide about the discretionary part who have otherwise also given the authority to modify the Will, if made.
I dont know why in the quest to equal things to 1, clear Regulations are not considered of any worth-Allah forbids.
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This is not being comprehended merely because you are not treating this injunction being in Qur'aan and the basic regulation for distribution of inheritance.
The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near Blood relatives, in accordance with the well known norms, has been prescribed-decreed upon you at the point in time when the natural death has approached someone of you people, in case he is leaving behind worldly wealth.
This is mandatory-incumbent upon people who are cautious, heedful and mindful in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.And you are forgetting that this finds mention both in 411 and 412.
The word OR between Bequeath and Dainin reflects either, thereby, there is the possibility that the deceased could not make the bequest for reason, say sudden death or murder. Perhaps, I earlier quoted you the Ayah where the maintainers of inheritance are allowed to consume judiciously from the inheritance. The kin are then to decide about the discretionary part who have otherwise also given the authority to modify the Will, if made.
I dont know why in the quest to equal things to 1, clear Regulations are not considered of any worth-Allah forbids.
This is unbelievable!
I ask a simple question and once again you avoid answering giving people erroneous advice saying it's Qur'an!
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1 daughter and 2 sons. The share at the point in time of death of you if the property is still held by you, the mandatory share is 2/3rd allocated by Allah the Exalted. This 2/3 is divivided into 5 equal shares, one share going to daughter and two equaivalent shares going each to son. In this two third you do not have discretion to bequest.Remaining 1/3rd is at your discretion to distribute it amongst your kin, spouse, mother and father whoever survives you.
Where does it say 2/3 allocated by Allah the Exalted to daughters and son?
Is son/s included in nisa and falahunna?
411 so if are (feminine plural) nisa above two falahunna so to them (feminine plural) thulutha 2/3
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This is unbelievable!
I ask a simple question and once again you avoid answering giving people erroneous advice saying it's Qur'an!
Where does it say 2/3 allocated by Allah the Exalted to daughters and son?
Is son/s included in nisa and falahunna?
411 so if are (feminine plural) nisa above two falahunna so to them (feminine plural) thulutha 2/3
Brother Noon, peace
Please just give little time to individual words of the discourse. You presume Arabic to be like germanic language as is evident from above style of translating.
Allah the Exalted commands and binds you concerning distribution of inheritance-moveable and immovable assets amongst the Progenies of you people.
It is grammatically indivisible Unit comprising a Prepositional Phrase coupled with Possessive Phrase. It relates to the preceding Verbal sentence. The subsequent information and the Preposition vividly expresses that the permanently binding instructions relate to distribution of the inheritance among the progenies. In consideration of the second Pronoun of the Possessive Phrase being Definite the First Noun is definite like- denoting "The Daughters and Sons-the Progenies of you people".
Preposition signifies rest in a place or during a time; and motion into a place. This signification is then transferred to the relation subsisting between any two things, the one of which is regarded as the place in which the other is, or happens, or into which it goes or is put. It is thus equivalent in meanings to "with or among". Therefore, while reading the subsequent clauses, this fact must not slip attention that focus of discussion is the Progenies which is a broken paucity plural feminine noun but is grammatically singular.
The Semblance of share of Two Feminine is to be apportioned for the Male progeny.
The above sentence is an Inverted Nominal Sentence. It is always the Subject-topic that a speaker or text talks something about it. The last three words, is indivisible grammatical unit, comprising two successive Possessive Phrases. is a definite nominative noun, meaning "The Semblance". It is the delayed Subject- . The Prepositional Phrase relates to elided Predicate vividly understandable by the Subject, preposition and the nature of discourse.
It is thus self evident that the daughters and not the son is the focus around which the discourse of inheritance revolves. By laying down the general principle that the semblance of share of two feminine shall be apportioned for a male progeny, "the grouped Progenies" are covered irrespective of their number and composition. -
Now try to get it without tiring with grammar.
In 411 the sequence is this
Please note the feminine plural word that means brothers and sisters, but their combination is described by men and women-gender indicators without mentioning the share since share of two sisters is already mentioned as two third, but in they have become plural sharers-3 and above thus it includes one sister and one brother. The share remains restricted to 2/3.
Further see it in 411 where son is not progeny and father and mother are living. There, mother's share is determined 1/3 to be reduced to 1/6 if brothers existed.
However, if brothers and sisters of the deceased also existed, thereby, the One Sixth shall be the share apportioned for his Mother.
The distribution is subject to meeting the bequest the deceased bequeaths about parents and Near Blood Relatives OR the debt/obligation of promissory-business-transaction outstanding payment-obligation.But it is not determined that 1/6 reduced in mother's share is for brothers. It is left for bequest.
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Peace Mazhar -- you are not answering the simple question?
You told user Indelwyn exactly this...
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1 daughter and 2 sons. The share at the point in time of death of you if the property is still held by you, the mandatory share is 2/3rd allocated by Allah the Exalted. This 2/3 is divivided into 5 equal shares, one share going to daughter and two equaivalent shares going each to son. In this two third you do not have discretion to bequest.Remaining 1/3rd is at your discretion to distribute it amongst your kin, spouse, mother and father whoever survives you.
We want to know where it says "2/3 allocated by Allah the Exalted" to 1 daughter and 2 sons?
Is son/s included in nisa and falahunna?
411 so if are (feminine plural) nisa above two falahunna so to them (feminine plural) thulutha 2/3
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In just two preceding lengthy posts that is what is explained. Pl be attentive what is stated therein.
I did read and you did not answer rather you wrote more errors on distributions for siblings as well.
Dying wealthy person is given discretion to bequeath for parents and near blood relatives. This aspect is seldom taken care while discussing this subject.
Daughter not Son is the central theme of Inheritance
The whole topic above starts to error once you get to the actual inheritance verses when you wrongly allocate 2/3 which is only to be applied if females (no males) over two... this is a very clear verse...
411 so if are (feminine plural) nisa above two falahunna so to them (feminine plural) thulutha 2/3
This is exactly clear and correct according to Qur'an.
411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)
1 daughter 2 sons
1/5 (1 daughter) + 4/5 (2 sons, 2/5 each) = 14176 and if they were siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
1 sister 2 brothers
1/5 (1 sister) + 4/5 (2 brothers, 2/5 each) = 1clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing
I have work to do and leave you in peace!
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4176 and if they were siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
1 sister 2 brothers
1/5 (1 sister) + 4/5 (2 brothers, 2/5 each) = 1But where did you find in this sentence that one sister and two brothers own hundred percent of the inheritance?
The above sentence is descriptive only defining , a plural noun. Whenvever there is combination, the base share is that of feminine to start with. Share of two sisters is two third. It will not enhance when they are composite , otherwise a plural noun signifying brothers; a sister and brother, a sister two brothers or exceeding that. -
4176 and if they were siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
The Red Waw is translated as "they", but to whom this "they" refers?
This Waw is the Subject of Verb Kana. Its Predicate is evident from its accusative state. It is plural, and followed by both in accusative state is disambiguation clause called . This clarifies that if sisters are in the state of being plural alongwith brothers, the distribution of the allocated 2/3 shall be on the basis of two feminine shares going to a male. -
4176 and if they were siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
The Red Waw is translated as "they", but to whom this "they" refers?
This Waw is the Subject of Verb Kana. Its Predicate is evident from its accusative state. It is plural, and followed by both in accusative state is disambiguation clause called . This clarifies that if sisters are in the state of being plural alongwith brothers, the distribution of the allocated 2/3 shall be on the basis of two feminine shares going to a male.Noon
In the above part of Ayah where is the 2/3 part of inheritance allocated for them sincle only a principle is given?
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Noon
In the above part of Ayah where is the 2/3 part of inheritance allocated for them sincle only a principle is given?
Nowhere, 2/3 was prior case IF two sisters which you missed switch case AND IF siblings mixed 21 ratio male to female...
4176 so IF kanata/they were (feminine) two so to them the 2/3 from what left
AND IF kanu ikh'watun brethren/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing
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Hi guys,
I appreciate the effort, but this whole inheritance is very confusing to me. Is there anything in Quran which states I can't just make a will and distribute the way I feel is best? I looked and I did not see anything, but I am not as versed as most of you.
I have (so far ) 1 daughter and 2 sons. (and my hubby of course) After my husband, I have everything split up even amongst my children, regardless of gender. I guess I don't understand why the female get less than the male.
Hi Indelwyn,
The reason that women got less in those days was very simple; men were providing for women. So the reason men got more was to create a balance. But today, the situation has changed dramatically. A lot of women work and earn money too, so this rule is not set in stone. This is the opinion of a reputable scholar in Turkey. I hope I didn't forget anything, but I remember him saying this. Although this scholar accepts hadith, he rejects basically everything that contradicts the Qur'an, or adds to/subtract from it.
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Nowhere, 2/3 was prior case IF two sisters which you missed switch case AND IF siblings mixed 21 ratio male to female...
4176 so IF kanata/they were (feminine) two so to them the 2/3 from what left
AND IF kanu ikh'watun brethren/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)
clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing
Good.
Kanoo is masculine plural Verb. is plural masculine noun, which can denote combined sisters and brothers if clarified in the text. Here it is described after conjunct Waw with only feminines. Unlike that needs Tameez clause, Aaulad includes daughters and sons. In 411 Aaulad is mentioned first and then feminines preceded by the same principle which is mentioned afterwards in 4176. Fa in 411 is much clearer and stronger conjunct. All Aaulad will get only 2/3 if the share exceeds two feminines.