مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ -occurrence by occurence study
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I never thought such a stupid statement coming from Noon also. Nowhere I said like that.
Every permissible women is to be sought with money, according to Qur'aan, since financial obligation is inherent part of Nikah-Matrimonial Bond between a man and woman.House-maids are permissible for marriage not for your debauchery and idiot things of exposing your genitals to them.
I never thought Mazhar would post such a nonsensical illogical poorly researched argument about having authority over people like housemaids other than what they are contracted to do which is clean the house.
Yes all women are permissible for marriage -- nurses, doctors, housemaids, or sit at home shop at Gucci, etc., if one can afford her.
Salam
study of all occurences of MMA in Quran leaves very little chance for them to be anything else but "concubines"
- The category is at par with Azwaj for legal sex ( 73-30, 23-5)
Were they only women, or males as well ? where did they come from and what constitutes a modern MMA? the subject is open for debate.
peace
siki
Peace siki -- you are wrong on all accounts; to focus one at a time ? read carefully that the prohibition applies to all believers males and females which they are only accountable for that which is in their control/grasp not being forcefully strip searched.
231 hence succeed the believers
232 the ones who they in their prayers humble
233 and the ones who they about the nonsense averse/turning away
234 and the ones who they of purification works doing
235 and the ones who they of their private parts guardians
236 only over their spouses or what possess their right hands/means so indeed they not blameworthy -
Salam
study of all occurences of MMA in Quran leaves very little chance for them to be anything else but "concubines"
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The category is at par with Azwaj for legal sex ( 73-30, 23-5)
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The category is legal for sex without dower/Ajar (4-24)
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The category is not bounded to be acquired through contract " NKH" anywhere in Quran.
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They are being recommended as a last option(4-25) (and that also only the young ones) for NKH, if No one is willing to give you his/her daughter because of your financial situation (You can bring them home with much less money)
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Socially, they had an unequal (less) status in comparison to other women of society (16-71) and (30-2
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little chance for them to be of category who have fled their disbelieving husbands (60-10) because they do contain young unmarried ones too (4-25) Moreover, God the most compassionate / merciful will logically, never socially downgrade someone who has abandoned her family and immigrated for HIS sake.
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Prophet Mohammad at a certain stage was ordered not to marry or change any more of his women, but was allowed to have more of MMA (33-52)
Were they only women, or males as well ? where did they come from and what constitutes a modern MMA? the subject is open for debate.
peace
siki
Wao can I have concubines . How nice. How many concubines can I have ? And what If a man doesn't wants to be my concubine, am I allowed to rape him?
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Every permissible women is to be sought with money, according to Qur'aan, since financial obligation is inherent part of Nikah-Matrimonial Bond between a man and woman.
House-maids are permissible for marriage not for your debauchery and idiot things of exposing your genitals to them.
I never thought Mazhar would post such a nonsensical illogical poorly researched argument about having authority over people like housemaids other than what they are contracted to do which is clean the house.
You seem to be citizen of soem big city of Europe or America where even richer people can only think of hiring housemaids on hourly contract of cleaning the house.
But so is not the case everywhere. There are full time and even life time housemaids after arranging their marriage with another servant of the family in many parts of the world including my own country Pakistan. Qur'aan addresses global matters.
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You seem to be citizen of soem big city of Europe or America where even richer people can only think of hiring housemaids on hourly contract of cleaning the house.
But so is not the case everywhere. There are full time and even life time housemaids after arranging their marriage with another servant of the family in many parts of the world including my own country Pakistan. Qur'aan addresses global matters.
What does it matter where I or anyone lives and their occupation?
231 hence succeed the believers
232 the ones who they in their prayers humble
233 and the ones who they about the nonsense averse/turning away
234 and the ones who they of purification works doing
235 and the ones who they of their private parts guardians
236 only over their spouses or what possess their right hands (according to Mazhar...Consuela the maid and Jose the gardener) so indeed they not blameworthy -
A relative of mine (in his sixties) in pakistan took advantage of a young girl in her twenties , even though the girl made it public , nothing was ever done as she was a servent.
The best translation of this particuler aimanokum thingy is Br. Asads translation, may be in some others aswell , well researched Asaad- bravo, thanks.
http//www.quranix.net/
Sorry you concubine lovers, there aren't any in the quran, only wives.
peace
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Salam
study of all occurences of MMA in Quran leaves very little chance for them to be anything else but "concubines"
Salaam,
My english is bad, so before I say something stupid, can you please tell me what you understand under "concubines"?
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The category is at par with Azwaj for legal sex ( 73-30, 23-5)
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The category is legal for sex without dower/Ajar (4-24)
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The category is not bounded to be acquired through contract " NKH" anywhere in Quran.
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They are being recommended as a last option(4-25) (and that also only the young ones) for NKH, if No one is willing to give you his/her daughter because of your financial situation (You can bring them home with much less money)
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Socially, they had an unequal (less) status in comparison to other women of society (16-71) and (30-2
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little chance for them to be of category who have fled their disbelieving husbands (60-10) because they do contain young unmarried ones too (4-25) Moreover, God the most compassionate / merciful will logically, never socially downgrade someone who has abandoned her family and immigrated for HIS sake.
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Prophet Mohammad at a certain stage was ordered not to marry or change any more of his women, but was allowed to have more of MMA (33-52)
Were they only women, or males as well ? where did they come from and what constitutes a modern MMA? the subject is open for debate.
peace
siki
o Are you serious?
Salaam,
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Salaam,
My english is bad, so before I say something stupid, can you please tell me what you understand under "concubines"?
o Are you serious?
Salaam,
BenderHi bender. A concubine is a sex friend if he/she does it willingly or a sex slave if he/she is forced.
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A relative of mine (in his sixties) in pakistan took advantage of a young girl in her twenties , even though the girl made it public , nothing was ever done as she was a servent.
The best translation of this particuler aimanokum thingy is Br. Asads translation, may be in some others aswell , well researched Asaad- bravo, thanks.
http//www.quranix.net/
Sorry you concubine lovers, there aren't any in the quran, only wives.
peace
Well mazhar won't protest as well since mazhar regard servants as his sexual property because he "care" for them. In other words, I'll give you work and you give me laid. Subhanallah . rotfl
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You seem to be citizen of soem big city of Europe or America where even richer people can only think of hiring housemaids on hourly contract of cleaning the house.
But so is not the case everywhere. There are full time and even life time housemaids after arranging their marriage with another servant of the family in many parts of the world including my own country Pakistan. Qur'aan addresses global matters.
There are also people who work for the same company for life time in the west. It still doesn't give the company the right to exploit them sexually.
And Yes unfurtunately raping servants is not a problem in Pakistan . Human rights organizations have addressed this several times. Yes Quran address global matters for instance raping servants in pakistan are called "oppression" in the Quran. -
Moreover, the Protected-Wedded in the state of Wives amongst the Womenfolk are also forbidden-sanctified.
However, such Married Women are exempt from this prohibition who have become under the authority and responsibility of your right hands for ordering and managing their affair.
This is the Promulgation by Allah the Exalted, mandatory for you people to follow in letter and spirit.
Take note that women other than those sanctified-prohibited are declared lawfully permissible-knot liquefied for you.
They are made permissible solely for the purpose that you might sincerely seek them with your wealth in the manner of those who seek women for taking them in protective fold of Matrimonial Bond-Nikah rendering them a pearl of household.
Their seeking is not allowed with wealth in the manner of debauch men for sexual lust-merely for flowing out the "water".
Thereat, subject to your having self availed the right of establishing Matrimonial Intimate Relation-association peculiar to matrimonial bond with wed-wives, you people discharge the respective obligation-commitment in full in their favour.
However, there is nothing objectionable-embarrassing for you, if after having struck the obligation you amend it with mutual consent-understanding.
Remain mindful that Allah the Exalted is certainly the Ever All-Knower, All-Wise, Knower of otherwise invisible-hidden realities-considerations.Who these married women are? Who and where are their husbands? Why are they no more under the protection and management of their respective husbands? Why are they under the authority and management of the Believers? They are the Wives of non-believing husbands who have emigrated and taken asylum in Muslim society. Allah the Exalted commands for such Women
O those people-you, who self proclaim to have accepted-become believers, listen;
In case the Believing Women have reached to you people in the state of emigrants,
thereat, subject them to careful examination-investigation regards their belief.
Allah the Exalted is best aware than you people regarding their belief.
Thereby, if you have found them truly the Believing Women, resultantly you people should not deport-revert them back to the Non-Believers.
They are no more in the state of permissible-lawful to continue to be wives for them. Neither they-their respective non-believing husbands are anymore permissible-lawful husbands for them.
And you people-Muslim society pay them-respective non-believing husbands of those emigrated married women that amount which they had spent.
Take note that there is absolutely no restriction or something blameworthy upon you people that you may enter into matrimonial bondage with them, provided you have paid them their wedding gifts-agreed upon obligations.
And you people should not cause self holding the Bond of Marriage with the Non-Believing Wives.
And you demand that which you had spent, and they the non-believing husbands should demand that which they had spent.
This is the Directive of Allah the Exalted. He the Exalted administers justice between you people.
And Allah the Exalted Ever All-Knower, All-Wise, Knower of otherwise invisible-hidden realities-considerations.Like the Widows, this category of Married Women in the Wedlock of Non-Believing Husbands, having emigrated and taken asylum in Muslim society, cause additional liability for intending believing person to marry them. He is required to pay to her Non-Believing Husband his demand of spent expenditure, and also the Wedding Gift-settled obligation to the Women. For many the proposition of marrying such Non-Believer's Wives, who have become those women whose affair has become under the authority, liability and disposal of the hands of Believing Men/Society, might not be feasible owing to their financial condition. He has yet another option
Take note that whoever amongst you people has not yet self acquired wherewithal enabling that he might take into Matrimonial Bond the Believing Women enjoying Family Protection-the Emigrant Married Believing Women in the Wedlock of a Non Believer having migrated taking asylum in Muslim society-state;
thereby, he may seek from amongst those Woman, upon whom, the right hands of you have the authority and responsibility-guardianship for ordering and managing their affairs, they being in the state of your believing house-maids.
Be mindful, Allah the Exalted best knows about your belief.
Some of you people are mirror of some other, regards belief.
Thereby, you the independent Men with insufficient resources take them into Wed-fold with the prior permission of their Guardians-House Masters, with whom she is the maid servant.
And pay them their Wed-gifts and committed obligations in the well known manner as is paid to a women taken in the protective fold of Matrimonial Bond making her pearl of life-household opposite the style and manner of payment to debauch-professional women who act for the occasional "outflow of water/satisfying sexual lust".
And nor in the manner of payment as is made to such women who maintain secret intimate relationship acting as keeps-concubine.
Thereby, when maid servants are given in wedlock, thereat, if they have committed "fahishatin"-some illicit sexual activity , half of that punishment, which is prescribed by Penal code of society in respect of such offences in respect of independent family women, shall be liable against them.
This is a convenience-remedy for such man of poor resources amongst you who apprehend distress
And if you remain firm to your resolve of chastity with coolly perseverance it is far better for you.
Be aware that Allah the Exalted is repeatedly the Forgiving-Overlooking, the fountain of Mercy.Maha! do you find any licence to indulge in free sex? They are to be taken in the sacred Matrimonial Bond making them Pearl of one's life and household. It is beyond dirty minds to appreciate the beauty of words what to say of appreciating the sanctity of relationship.
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Sex maniac can't think more than sex. Matrimonial Bond is a sacred relationship, not dirty sex of dirrty minded people.
No mazhar you are the sex maniac (what can an old man without a job think about else). You are the one who is sitting and calling raping of servants as "sacred" I know you have your lust but please don't rape your servants otherwise you could be punished according to Pakistan criminal law . Just an advice.
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So it seems superfluous mention of pimp was caused by some irritational state..
Salaam
I understand from the Qur'an men are allowed to have sex with women, often refered to as MMA, but only if they provide for them necessity (food and shelter etc) , in other words take them off street and give them secured place to live. I believe this is the only way to put pimps out of business and also stop soliciting, thus discourage men from buying cheap sex for few hours or minutes as not many men would be willing to assume responsibilty further then a few hours rate.
This is real world where poor women are abused at horrific level
Hashi is one of around 900 sex workers - some as young as 12 - living a painful life of exploitation in Kandapara, not only bonded by debt and fear of stigma, but compelled to take the steroid, Oradexon, which brings more income but leaves dangerous side effectsRead more http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117823/Bangladesh-brothels-Prostitutes-forced-steroids.html#ixzz23CFiSYOZ
419 O ye who believe! Ye are forbidden to inherit women against their will....
Peace
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I understand from the Qur'an men are allowed to have sex with women, often refered to as MMA, but only if they provide for them necessity (food and shelter etc) , in other words take them off street and give them secured place to live.
No man is allowed to have sex with any women. No women is permissible for abuse to satisfy man's sexual desire.
Women are made permissible only for the purpose of pursuing-seeking them in Marriage-Matrimonial Bond which is a sacred relationship creating a new houshold in society.
Any body who does beyond this shall pay the price being a transgresser.
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Salaam
I understand from the Qur'an men are allowed to have sex with women, often refered to as MMA, but only if they provide for them necessity (food and shelter etc) , in other words take them off street and give them secured place to live. I believe this is the only way to put pimps out of business and also stop soliciting, thus discourage men from buying cheap sex for few hours or minutes as not many men would be willing to assume responsibilty further then a few hours rate.
This is real world where poor women are abused at horrific level
Hashi is one of around 900 sex workers - some as young as 12 - living a painful life of exploitation in Kandapara, not only bonded by debt and fear of stigma, but compelled to take the steroid, Oradexon, which brings more income but leaves dangerous side effectsRead more http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2117823/Bangladesh-brothels-Prostitutes-forced-steroids.html#ixzz23CFiSYOZ
Peace
Doesn't this happen to those who don't take responsibility for themselves and for those they are responsible for? Those who leave it for someone called Allah to sort out their affairs.
How naive!
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Doesn't this happen to those who don't take responsibility for themselves and for those they are responsible for? Those who leave it for someone called Allah to sort out their affairs.
How naive!
Yes you are very naive you need to go around in real world and live life out of your cocoon.
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Yes you are very naive you need to go around in real world and live life out of your cocoon.
Sorry Sis,
You missunderstood. Those sort of things do happen all over the world, here where i live too, but the only differance is people get paid far more for everything so they have far better lives. That is essentially not because they are in a cocoon world but simply they work hard and don't give over their responsibilities to the God Almighty. -
Sorry Sis,
You missunderstood. Those sort of things do happen all over the world, here where i live too, but the only differance is people get paid far more for everything so they have far better lives. That is essentially not because they are in a cocoon world but simply they work hard and don't give over their responsibilities to the God Almighty.Sorry little brother
I too live in a privileged side of the world where many people believe in the survival of the fittest which does not necessarily mean that they work hard but you seem to be in awe of them.
I on the other hand believe and seek guidance from Allah (swt), you seem to have problem with my sort of people which makes you very na?ve or rather ignorant.
3964. Say "Is it some one other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?"
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Sorry little brother
I too live in a privileged side of the world where many people believe in the survival of the fittest which does not necessarily mean that they work hard.
only a fit body or mind or hard work will give you a greater return - i think.
I on the other hand believe and seek guidance from Allah (swt), you seem to have problem with my sort of people which makes you very na?ve or rather ignorant.
3964. Say "Is it some one other than Allah that ye order me to worship, O ye ignorant ones?"
peaceAllah's Guidance is for those who seek him, yet there are some who don't seek him but just because they are called such and such or do such and such ritual they think they are the saved ones- those are the arrogant ones, according my understanding.
Sorry God doesn't require any worship but wants service from me, you to serve others.
India , PAKISTAN,bangladesh............Very sorry for them as they will never get out of the poverty trap because of their hindu based belief systems they have addopted, just look how long Islam has been going, and they will carry on getting more and more of what they have been getting if they keep doing what they have been doing.
peace
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only a fit body or mind or hard work will give you a greater return - i think.
Allah's Guidance is for those who seek him, yet there are some who don't seek him but just because they are called such and such or do such and such ritual they think they are the saved ones- those are the ignorant ones, according my understanding.
Sorry God doesn't require any worship but wants service from me, you to serve others.
India , PAKISTAN,bangladesh............Very sorry for them as they will never get out of the poverty trap because of their hindu based belief systems they have addopted, just look how long Islam has been going, and they will carry on getting more and more of what they have been getting if they keep doing what they have been doing.
peace
Now you sound reasonable but there are contradictions in your posts for eg see highlight above and your post where you said; Doesn't this happen to those who don't take responsibility for themselves and for those they are responsible for?
Not everyone is capable of looking after their affairs (take responsibility for themselves) some need our help or service
Peace