HOW DO ARTIC MUSLIMS FAST?
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2187 It has been made lawful for you during the night of fasting to approach your women sexually. They are a garment for you and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray you souls so He has accepted your repentance, and forgiven you; now you may approach them and seek what God has written for you. And you may eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn; then you shall complete the fast until night; and do not approach them while you are devoted in the temples. These are the boundaries of God, so do not transgress them. It is thus that God clarifies His revelations to the people who they may be righteous.
20130 So be patient to what they are saying and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and at the approach of the night - you shall glorify - at the parts of the day, perhaps you may be content.
How does one pray or fast in regions of the earth where there is daylight for long periods such as 30 days?
My question is GOD?S SYSTEM is a JUST system and it will never change and Al-Qur'an is a Universal book, then what is the solution for people living in those regions?
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.....those of you who witness the shahr shall abstain therein.....
You dont witness it, you dont abstain/sawm.
Wow I'm glad someone notices the obvious.
All of these sheikhs and "experts" in countries in the Arctic get together every year and come up with bogus, un-Qur'anic conclusions such as "follow the fasting times of Mecca" which make absolutely no sense. It's like an idiot convention, except these sheikhs claim they have infallible authority.
Meanwhile, the answer is in the Qur'an. If you do not witness the moon for Ramadan (such as when there's 24 hour daylight), then you don't fast. If you do witness the moon, then there's 24 hour night so you won't be fasting anyway.
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first of all did allah said to fast for 30 days ?
29 or 30 days, yes. However long Ramadan lasts based on the phases of the moon.
"The month of Ramadan in which was revealed the Quran, a guidance for mankind and clear proofs for the guidance and the determiner of right and wrong. So whoever of you sights the month, he must observe Saum (fasts) that month..." - Qur'an 2185
Ramadan was a month in the Arab calendar at that time, and since Allah didn't redefine Ramadan, then it's clear that Allah was talking about the month on the Arab calendar (now the Hijri calendar).
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Wow I'm glad someone notices the obvious.
All of these sheikhs and "experts" in countries in the Arctic get together every year and come up with bogus, un-Qur'anic conclusions such as "follow the fasting times of Mecca" which make absolutely no sense. It's like an idiot convention, except these sheikhs claim they have infallible authority.
Meanwhile, the answer is in the Qur'an. If you do not witness the moon for Ramadan (such as when there's 24 hour daylight), then you don't fast. If you do witness the moon, then there's 24 hour night so you won't be fasting anyway.
Its funny you say that because whenever you tell a Sunni or Shiite that you ONLY follow the Quran their immediate respons is "THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW TO PRAY?" and If that is answered the second question is "THEN HOW DO YOU FAST IF YOU WAS LIVING IN THE FAR NORTH OF NORWAY WHERE THE SUN DOESNT RISE/SET" . I almost felt in their trap untill I found out that the answer to their questions is actually in the Quran itself.
Peace
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Its funny you say that because whenever you tell a Sunni or Shiite that you ONLY follow the Quran their immediate respons is "THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW HOW TO PRAY?" and If that is answered the second question is "THEN HOW DO YOU FAST IF YOU WAS LIVING IN THE FAR NORTH OF NORWAY WHERE THE SUN DOESNT RISE/SET" . I almost felt in their trap untill I found out that the answer to their questions is actually in the Quran itself.
Peace
The funny thing is, even with hadith you cannot know how to pray. This is according to sheikhs themselves, where they've admitted that salah based 100% on trustworthy (sahih) hadith is impossible. They dig their own graves with their arguments.
I'm a little different though. I don't reject all hadith, but I pray according to the Maliki madhab of the Sunnis. Their salat isn't based on hadith, but based on what people in Medina were doing about 75 years after the Prophet's (pbuh) death.
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The funny thing is, even with hadith you cannot know how to pray. This is according to sheikhs themselves, where they've admitted that salah based 100% on trustworthy (sahih) hadith is impossible. They dig their own graves with their arguments.
I'm a little different though. I don't reject all hadith, but I pray according to the Maliki madhab of the Sunnis. Their salat isn't based on hadith, but based on what people in Medina were doing about 75 years after the Prophet's (pbuh) death.
Lol I didn't knew that. Sunnies makes it sounds like everything is in the Hadith .
Well we are little different there then . I don't think Muhammad ever existed.
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Wow I'm glad someone notices the obvious.
All of these sheikhs and "experts" in countries in the Arctic get together every year and come up with bogus, un-Qur'anic conclusions such as "follow the fasting times of Mecca" which make absolutely no sense. It's like an idiot convention, except these sheikhs claim they have infallible authority.
Salaam
Shahr does not mean moon it means the lunar orbit, which is often translated as month, and it is almost always 29 clear days during a lunar cycle. From excavated tally sticks, researchers have deduced that people counted days in relation to the Moon's phases as early as the Paleolithic age and the division of the moon cycle into day and night is what makes it witnessing the shahr.
The different phases of moon do not happen on the same day every month because the orbit of the moon around the earth is not exact number of full days its (29 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes) on average so for that reason moon phases can happen anywhere anytime.
Meanwhile, the answer is in the Qur'an. If you do not witness the moon for Ramadan (such as when there's 24 hour daylight), then you don't fast. If you do witness the moon, then there's 24 hour night so you won't be fasting anyway
Witnessing the moon itself is not a requirement, as it is not a competition as to who has got better eyesight; even the blind can fast after all.
The apparent change in size of the moon is due to the eccentricity of the lunar orbit.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phasePeace
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.....those of you who witness the shahr shall abstain therein.....
You dont witness it, you dont abstain/sawm.
Re 20130
It is in the singular address, not plural. See http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=20&verse=130#(201301)936 Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them....
So people residing in those areas do not get full twelve months?
As for your reply to 20130
Do you mean, its a specific command not meant for all?
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Concerning 2.185, if we follow the aya which says to always follow the best meaning, What is the best meaning out of this?
Fasting is good for us or is it not good for us? If it is good for us can we draw the conclusion that we should not fast because during a certain number of days we will not see the sun setting or raising, and then when we see it raising and setting with almost no interval in between that we fast may be five minutes or that we fast 24 hours except five minutes?
The shahr we may take it to mean the sun setting or rasing? Why? We witness a shahr even if we don't have raisings or setting to vouch for it. We still have a biological rythm of 24 hours more or less.
Either we uphold that fasting when there is no sun setting or raising is not good for us or we uphold the opposite, in this latter case if we say not fast, we are not extracting the best meaning out of that aya.
My feeling is that this supposed problem of fasting in the artic or the antartic is splitting hairs. There are plenty of plain common sense procedures. Whichever one we follow that is good for us, is just as simple as that, if sawm is good for us it is good for us, if not, we don't fast. Adopting a different attitude would be plain ritualism or superstition, that is, that the benefits of fasting are some magical phenomenon of saying the magic words or doing the magic ritual and not the actual benefits of fasting.
Salaam
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936 Indeed, the number of months with Allah is twelve months in the register of Allah the day He created the heavens and the earth; of these, four are sacred. That is the correct religion, so do not wrong yourselves during them....
So people residing in those areas do not get full twelve months?
I dont know if they do or not. You'd have to research this.
As for your reply to 20130
Do you mean, its a specific command not meant for all?
That is a theoretical implication, yes.
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Salaam
As I understand people in the Artic can fast in shahr Ramadan when falls in those months when it?s not just day time or night time, they are not completely deprived of fasting.
Maybe we need to do some study to find out effect of fasting when there is no division of day or night to find out if it?s good to fast in those conditions after all they have extreme weather
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As for your reply to 20130
Do you mean, its a specific command not meant for all?
Salaam
I have been deliberating on 20;130 as I see God mentions parts of day and night when to glorify the grace of your Lord
a. before the rising of the sun, and
b. before its setting,
c. and at the approach of the night - you shall glorify -
d. at the parts of the day, perhaps you may be content
If I am based in the Artic north and no day light in winter I still have night to glorify
After that comes a period when there will be division of day and night during those times I can to glorify when dawn appears etc
then comes summer time when its day time continuously that is when I have day to glorify.
So if I live to see all seasons I am able to glorify all the periods mentioned in 20;130Peace
