Inheritance according to Qur?an

Mazhar

hat is it that you do not understand inheritance verses are to be applied when there is no will?

Thereby, acording to your variable formula, if there is a Will, the Verses are not to be applied. Are you suggesting this?

Noon_waalqalami

But brother why you conveniently forget that in all the three Verses where Allah the Exalted assigns shares to particular persons in particular situations, the Bequest is the integral part at all places?

Thereby, acording to your variable formula, if there is a Will, the Verses are not to be applied. Are you suggesting this?

Peace, I forget nothing! 411 ... from (means to subtract) after a will have made in it or judgment

1 - 100% (if left will to distribute the whole) = 0% amount to be distributed
1 - 0% (if deceased has left no will at all) = 100% amount to be distributed

Mazhar

Peace, I forget nothing! 411 ... from (means to subtract) after a will have made in it or judgment

1 - 100% (if left will to distribute the whole) = 0% amount to be distributed
1 - 0% (if deceased has left no will at all) = 100% amount to be distributed

What I had stated verbally what you think about distribution of inheritance, you have simply endorsed that in mathematical way.

"judgment" decreed by whom?

Noon_waalqalami

What I had stated verbally what you think about distribution of inheritance, you have simply endorsed that in mathematical way.

"judgment" decreed by whom?

Yes, if they see it good or fair to leave nothing to certain relatives or leave everything to one child -- up to them!

Without a will or partial will, inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate and avoid bickering among different inheritors.

Mazhar

Yes, if they see it good or fair to leave nothing to certain relatives or leave everything to one child -- up to them!

Without a will or partial will, inheritance verses kick in to arbitrate and avoid bickering among different inheritors.

So, the Bequest is an integral part for distribution of Inheritance; this is agreed!!

Now about "judgment". The word , is a Verbal Noun/Infinitive Noun, reflecting a state of having bought on credit-the liability outstanding, or under loan.

Noon_waalqalami

Here are all combinations again for reference; obviously sole inheritor gets the whole, no need for arbitration laws.

411 directs you The God in your children to the male like share the two (feminine)...

son/s + daughter/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 ... so if kunna/are nisa above two falahunna/so to them (feminine plural) thulutha (2/3) what left

and if kanat/is (feminine) one so to her the half

and to their parents to each one from them the sixth from what left if kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child/born)

so if not was to person waladun/offspring/child born and heirs person?s parents (if only parents) so to his mother the third

so if kana/is (masculine singular) to person ikh'wat (if male sibling/brother) so to his mother the sixth

from after a will have made in it or judgment your fathers and your children not you know which of them closer to you benefit obligation from The God indeed The God is Knowing Wise

1 father + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/3 mother + 2/3 father = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 brother/s = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 mother/father = 1
2 daughters + mother/father equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 mother/father = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
2 daughters + mother + father all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

411 kalalah fatherless and spouseless no son (sibling/s variable/unstated)
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (mother + sister/s) = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + mother + sister/s (all share equally) = 1
2 daughters + brother/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1
2 daughters + brother/s + sister/s 5/6 share equally + 1/6 mother = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (mother + sister/s) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 sister/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 brother/s = 1
1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

2 daughters + sister/s = 1
2 daughters + brother/s = 1
2 daughters + sister/s + brother/s = 1

3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 sister/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 brother/s = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 (sister/s + brother/s) = 1

412 and to you half what left your spouse?s if not was to them waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to them walad/son (if is male child/born) so to you the fourth

from what they left from after a will they made in it or judgment

and to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child

so if kana is (masculine) to you walad/son (i.e. if to person male child/born) falahunna/so to them the eight

from what you left from after a will you made in it or judgment...

1 spouse + 0 sibling/s = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 son/s = 1
1/8 wife + 7/8 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/2 spouse = 1
2 daughters + spouse equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/3 spouse = 1

1/2 husband + 1/2 mother/father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/4 mother/father = 1

1/2 husband + 1/4 mother + 1/4 father = 1
1/4 wife + 3/8 mother + 3/8 father = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/4 mother/father + 1/4 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother/father + spouse all equally = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/6 mother/father + 1/6 spouse = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/8 wife + 13/24 son/s = 1

1 daughter 1/2 + 1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/6 spouse = 1
2 daughters + mother + father + spouse (share equally) = 1
3 daughters 2/3 + 1/9 mother + 1/9 father + 1/9 spouse = 1

1/4 husband + 3/4 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother/father + 1/4 husband + 7/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother/father + 1/8 wife + 17/24 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 1/4 husband + 5/12 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/6 father + 2/3 children mixed (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

412 kalalah fatherless and spouseless has son; sibling/s fixed at 1/6 or 1/3
412 .. and if is a man inherited kalalah (no crown/head of household; fatherless and spouseless) or woman

and has brother or sister so to each one from them the sixth

so if they were greater from that so they partners in the third

from after a will is recommended in it or judgment not harmful a will from The God and The God Knowing Forbearing

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 son/s = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 son/s = 1

1/6 sister/brother + 5/6 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 son/s = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 son/s = 1

1/6 mother + 1/6 sister/brother + 2/3 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 1/3 sisters/brothers/(sister/s + brother/s) + 1/2 (daughter/s + son/s) 21 ratio male to female = 1

4176 al-kalalah the fatherless and spouseless no offspring/child born
4176 they seek your ruling say The God gives you a ruling in al-kalalah (the fatherless and spouseless; deceased left no crown/head of household)

if person died is not to person waladun/offspring/child and has sister so to her half what left and he inherits it if not was to her waladun/offspring/child

so if they were two (feminine) so to them the third twice (2/3) from what left

and if they were ikh'watun/siblings rijal wanisa so to the male like share the two (feminine)

clarifies The God to you lest you stray and The God in every a thing Knowing

1 sister 1/2 + 1/2 mother = 1
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each) + 1/3 mother = 1
3 sisters (1/4 each x 3) + 1/4 mother = 1

sister/s + brother/s distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1
1/6 mother + 5/6 (sister/s + brother/s) distribute at 21 ratio male to female = 1

Mazhar

But from where you draw the authority in doint that?
For doing any thing one must quote the provision of law, otherwise the court declares it dismissed as nonsense gossip.

Noon_waalqalami

But from where you draw the authority in doint that?
For doing any thing one must quote the provision of law, otherwise the court declares it dismissed as nonsense gossip.

My dear Mazhar,

Qur'an is for people with logic who understand basic IF ELSE statements which half your posts are gossip fantasies and therefore, instead of spamming this thread I strongly suggest you go back to that other pre-marital nonsense thread and argue about how you possess your housemaids and desire to do them a favor and marry them or whatever.

Logic is not for you since you are wired different and only write needlessly long grammatical expositions of clear, short, precise verses, and instructions; evident when you could not comprehend a simple concept of an IF statement like...

?IF only parents give to the mother 1/3? then you asked from where the father gets 2/3?

Duh!

The difference between humans of intellect and the cattle can be described as such...

The dog pursues a scent and comes to a fork in the road.
The dog sniffs false the 1st path.
The dog will not reason IF NOT 1st THEN logically it's the 2nd!
The dog will need to sniff the 2nd as well to have it register!

Mazhar

?IF only parents give to the mother 1/3? then you asked from where the father gets 2/3?

Law books do not leave its provisions at the mercy of logic of people like the sniff of dogs. Unless it is described in the book that in such case 2/3 goes to father, saying so is mere presumption void of legality.

Noon_waalqalami

Law books do not leave its provisions at the mercy of logic of people like the sniff of dogs. Unless it is described in the book that in such case 2/3 goes to father, saying so is mere presumption void of legality.

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents and apply IF so IF logic)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

$3000

$1000 or 1/3 mother
$2000 or 2/3 father

likewise apply same logic if mother & son; if father & son; etc...

1 - 1/6 mother (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
1 - 1/6 father (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)

Mazhar

My dear Mazhar,

Qur'an is for people with logic who understand basic IF ELSE statements which half your posts are gossip fantasies and therefore, instead of spamming this thread I strongly suggest you go back to that other pre-marital nonsense thread and argue about how you possess your housemaids and desire to do them a favor and marry them or whatever.

You again incorrectly read that thread. I am not saying "possess". Like there, I am also trying to dissolve the knot that you have developed erroneously about inheritance.

You perhaps are not aware that regulations are made in line with certain rules. You go to regulation, without even knowing what are the rules prescribed for implementing the regulation of inheritance. Therefore, I have first given the rules prescribed by Allah the Exalted before notifying the inheritance regulation. See the article critically.
There is not a single situation that is left for distribution of wealth of the deceased. The orphaned grand progeny is one of the nearest for the dying person. Your mathematics does not consider them, because you are denying the rules prescribed by Allah the Exalted. You are believing in some part of Qur'aan and denying some other part on the pretext of your so called logic.

Mazhar

Reply 185

Peace Noon,

There is a law point. You have not replied it instead repeated the same thing. Try to find legality for your presumptive distribution on the basis of logic.

farida

Law books do not leave its provisions at the mercy of logic of people like the sniff of dogs. Unless it is described in the book that in such case 2/3 goes to father, saying so is mere presumption void of legality.

Yes they do in fact; there is a question of how would a reasonable wo/man have acted/reacted for most legal issues, including crimnal cases assessed by a jury on presumption of innocence until proven guilty according to ordinay person's logic and common sense.
Salaam

Noon_waalqalami

Reply 185

Peace Noon,

There is a law point. You have not replied it instead repeated the same thing. Try to find legality for your presumptive distribution on the basis of logic.

Peace Mazhar, replied to what exactly? You like posting and when ask to apply in a real case you have no answers.
Simple example -- person walking down the street has a heart-attack and dies leaves only heirs mother and father.

Please distribute according to Qur'an the deceased persons property worth $300,000?
What you suggest; consult the dead; try revive back to live, ask what to do with 2/3?

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Mazhar

Quote from Mazhar on Today at 024522 PM
Law books do not leave its provisions at the mercy of logic of people like the sniff of dogs. Unless it is described in the book that in such case 2/3 goes to father, saying so is mere presumption void of legality.

Yes they do in fact; there is a question of how would a reasonable wo/man have acted/reacted for most legal issues, including crimnal cases assessed by a jury on presumption of innocence until proven guilty according to ordinay person's logic and common sense.
Salaam

These two quotes are not relevant to each other. The second is about assessment of evidence produced, not about the provisions of law given in the law book.

Noon_waalqalami

These two quotes are not relevant to each other. The second is about assessment of evidence produced, not about the provisions of law given in the law book.

Clear evidence was already produced for you; not our fault or anyone's that you cannot grasp simple logic.

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents and apply IF so IF logic)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

$3000

$1000 or 1/3 mother
$2000 or 2/3 father

likewise apply same logic if mother & son; if father & son; etc...

1 - 1/6 mother (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)
1 - 1/6 father (fixed/stated) = 5/6 son (variable/unstated)

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar, replied to what exactly? You like posting and when ask to apply in a real case you have no answers.
Simple example -- person walking down the street has a heart-attack and dies leaves only heirs mother and father.

Please distribute according to Qur'an the deceased persons property worth $300,000?
What you suggest; consult the dead; try revive back to live, ask what to do with 2/3?

411 and to their parents (start case distribution to parents)

to each one from them the sixth from what left IF kana/is (masculine) to person walad/son (if male child)

so IF (we are still on parents) not was to person waladun/child and heirs person?s parents (if only parents alive) so to his mother the third

basic logic if only parents 1 - 1/3 mother (fixed/stated) = 2/3 father (variable/unstated)

Peace.

Proposition in above quote A person died all of a sudden, who did not have a son and has living father and mother.

Qur'aan says 1/3rd of the inheritance after discharging his outstanding liabilities is the inalienable right of his mother-not subject to alteration whatever might be the ground realities, reduced to 1/6th if he has sisterd and brothers.

Allah the Exalted has not touched the remaining amount. Sudden death of a man does not imply that now there is none including Courts to decide about the portion regarding which the dead man had the authority to disburse according to his judgment amongst his father and other nearones.
People of family of good repute have the right to modify the Will of the deceased. Why your logic does not accept that they have also the right to decide in case of sudden death without Will?

Who would adjudge to accept the claims of people about outstanding liabilities of the dead man and pay them off from the left property?

Noon_waalqalami

Peace.

Proposition in above quote A person died all of a sudden, who did not have a son and has living father and mother.

Qur'aan says 1/3rd of the inheritance after discharging his outstanding liabilities is the inalienable right of his mother-not subject to alteration whatever might be the ground realities, reduced to 1/6th if he has sisterd and brothers.

Allah the Exalted has not touched the remaining amount. Sudden death of a man does not imply that now there is none including Courts to decide about the portion regarding which the dead man had the authority to disburse according to his judgment amongst his father and other nearones.
People of family of good repute have the right to modify the Will of the deceased. Why your logic does not accept that they have also the right to decide in case of sudden death without Will?

Who would adjudge to accept the claims of people about outstanding liabilities of the dead man and pay them off from the left property?

Peace -- why are you mindlessly ranting and conjecturing?

Simple freaking case "ONLY" parents; no body else is left other than the "parents" -- distribute the freaking shares!

Mazhar

Peace -- why are you mindlessly ranting and conjecturing?

Conjecturing is this, to an extent of turning ears deaf to listen to the commands of Qur'aam.

Quote from Mazhar on August 05, 2012, 101237 AM
But brother why you conveniently forget that in all the three Verses where Allah the Exalted assigns shares to particular persons in particular situations, the Bequest is the integral part at all places?

Quote from Mazhar on August 05, 2012, 102133 AM
Thereby, acording to your variable formula, if there is a Will, the Verses are not to be applied. Are you suggesting this?

Quote of Noon

Peace, I forget nothing! 411 ... from (means to subtract) after a will have made in it or judgment

1 - 100% (if left will to distribute the whole) = 0% amount to be distributed
1 - 0% (if deceased has left no will at all) = 100% amount to be distributed

The Oral Bequest in favour of the Mother and Father and the relatively Near Blood relatives, in accordance with the well known norms, has been prescribed-decreed upon you at the point in time when the natural death has approached someone of you people, in case he is leaving behind worldly wealth.
This is mandatory-incumbent upon people who are cautious, heedful and mindful in reverence and fear of Allah the Exalted.

However, in case one apprehended inclination or evident injustice by a testator, thereby if he struck a correction amongst them-the beneficiaries and affected party, there shall at all be no blame upon him .
It is a fact that Allah the Exalted is oft the Forgiving-Overlooking, the fountain of Mercy.

Man has left worldly wealth.

Left wealth - Outstanding liabilities of the deceased = Divisible Inheritance

Divisible Inheritance = 1

a) The shares cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted from Divisible Inheritance = X
It is called by Allah . Inalienable and unalterable part cut and apportioned by Allah the Exalted.

b) Divisible Inheritance - X = Y

c) X + Y=1 . + [/size
Allah the Exalted has covered all possible situations that could exist on ground relating to many many combinations of relatively nearer relatives. Relativity keep shifting to the remotest relationship step by step for which reason Comparitive Noun is used for .

The past conjecturists invented myth of Nasikh and Mansukh. You have gone one step further by declaring the Ayah giving Mandatory Shares apportioned by Allah the Exalted as redundant in case the man left a Will.

Noon_waalqalami

Conjecturing is this, to an extent of turning ears deaf to listen to the commands of Qur'aam.

Mazhar, first we have to determine if you have a functioning brain.

This is very simple and can get no simpler -- distribute inheritance

case a. mother and father
mother gets 1/3 and father gets what? hint hint there is exactly 2/3 left!

case b. mother and son
mother gets 1/6 and son gets what? hint hint there is exactly 5/6 left!

Until you answer the above simple brain test everything that you write is irrelevant.
Now there are two options for people to consider in your stubbornness, no answer

you are very dumb and a complete ignorant; probably not case
you are too proud to admit an error and on a pompous ego trip