Al- Hijaz, Homeland of Abraham and the Israeli prophets
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Al- Hijaz, Homeland of Abraham and the Israeli prophets
An Arab?s geographical map for Abraham's journey based on Arabia historical accounts
T. Ahmed, Ammar Rajab
Al-Tajdeed Cultural and Social Society, KINGDOM OF BAHRAIN
Second edition- July 2006
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Note
This paper has been presented at the Second World Congress for Middle Eastern Studies held at Amman- Jordon. It represents an abstract of a comprehensive research work published by Al-Tajdeed Society in an Arabic book of 550 pages, entitled "Neda' Al Surat- Kidnap of the Prophets Geography". The book is readily available for downloading from the society's website. Most of the Arabic originating references quoted in this paper are currently unavailable in English; hence the relevant references are cited in the original language only.
Abstract
By the end of the last century, new stunning hypothesis emerged amongst theologians and historians advocating that the prevailing common understanding of the Israeli prophets' geographical homelands and journey routes were radically erroneous. The new hypothesis suggests that Asir province (situated in the southern part of Al-Surat Mountains, stretching alongside the western coastal border of Arabia, bounded between Yemen?s northern borders and the holy city of Makkah) was indeed the actual geographical theater which accommodated most of the Israeli prophets? birthplaces, revelations, preaching, and burials. Subsequent research work narrowed down the prophets lands to Makkah county situated within the Hijaz and Asir Surat Mountains. This holy city emerged as the real and the only homeland of Abraham, Lot, Sara, Hagar and Ishmael as revealed in this paper. This whole hypothesis stemmed from the inconceivable inconsistencies in the biblical accounts of geographical landscapes traversed by the prophets, besides the lack of any supporting archeological evidences to date either in Palestine, Syria, Iraq or Egypt. Interestingly enough, all the researchers who have concluded that south west Arabia was the actual homeland of the Israeli prophets have reached their findings through different research and analysis methodologies. This paper, however, seeks to address missing elements that are needed to complement the ongoing research work in this field, namely
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None of the present research work conducted an in-depth analytical study in the ancient Arabic historical literatures to provide Arabic historical evidences confirming that the Israeli prophets were actually Arabic people who reside in Arabia.
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None of the researchers has explained when and how the prophets' real whereabouts had been shifted from their real geographical positions in Arabia towards the north and systematically projected over another vast Arabian land stretching from the River Euphrates in Iraq all the way to the River Nile in Egypt.
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None of the researches so far has identified the entity that created the prevailing illusions masking the real whereabouts of the Arabic Israeli prophets, nor clarified what their motives were.
In addition to addressing the above issues, this paper concludes that Arabic historical literature do contains substantial evidences indeed supporting the hypothesis in question. Moreover, it presents a draft of a new geographical map illustrating Abraham?s journey based on ancient Arabic accounts on these events, as an alternative to the controversial widespread biblical geographical map printed on the back cover of contemporary published bibles.
Introduction
In his book entitled "The Bible Came from Arabia" published in 1984, Kamal Al Salibi caused a stir. He concluded that the events and narratives of the Old Testament did not originate in Palestine as internationally accepted but rather in the province of Asir, in the south-west of Arabia, precisely between Makkah and Yemen. Al-Salibi was astonished at the number of biblical places' names found in the Asir province. Unlike the blatant inconsistencies between the biblical narratives and the supposedly corresponding places in Palestine, he found a more coherent geographical correlation between the regions holding the same biblical names in Asir and the distances traveled by the prophets, as narrated in the old testaments tales. Despite adopting different research methodologies, the same conclusion was reached by Dr. Ahmed Dawood who published his findings in 1991 in a book entitled "The Arabs, the Samies, the Hebrews, the Israelis and the Jews". Alongside many stunning revelations published in his book, Dr. Dawood presented a blueprint of a tiny landscape in Asir south of Makkah, where he pinpointed the actual whereabouts of the biblical Misr (referred to afterwards as Egypt) the homeland of Moses and the Israeli tribe, and the nearby Yerushalayim - the legendary Dawood temple. Furthermore, during 1994, Dr. Ziad Mouna also published a book illustrating his findings as denoted in the title of his book ?The Torah Geography- Misr and the Israelis in Asir?. Overlooking fine details, these eastern scholars along with many other contemporary western historians and researchers have all came to agree on the conclusion that the Torah's geographical emplacement is not south Syria, as commonly understood, but further deep to the south in the Arabian Asiri mountains. However, this concurring conclusion has left behind a trail of unresolved questions and consequential discrepancies, such as why the written Islamic history is not only contradicts this conclusion but also stresses its synergy with the common geographical knowledge preached by the bible? What is the extent of political and religious impact on the region if this theory ultimately gets substantiated and internationally recognized? When and who shifted the biblical geographical emplacement to the wrong location? What are the motives behind such an international falsification? How did the perpetrators succeed in convincing multinational generations to accept this false biblical geography? On the other hand, this new paradigm shift helps in resolving many old and new mysteries, such as why all archeological attempts to-date have failed to decisively identify Moses? Pharaoh from amongst the unearthed Egyptian kings? Why the western nations, unlike Easterners, are still unaware of the simple fact that Abraham had lived and resided most of his lifetime in Makkah and its nearby surroundings? And why, for that matter, doesn't Abraham's journey exhibited in western maps show any reference to Makkah? And how does all this relate to the evolution of the prevailing Arab Israeli political and military conflict over the same land?
This paper aims to focus on two prime questions with the sole objective of qualifying or otherwise disqualifying the recent theories shifting the biblical geography. The other questions listed above, as well as many other related issues, have been thoroughly addressed in a book written in Arabic, published and distributed by Al-Tajdeed Cultural and Social Society situated at the Kingdom of Bahrain. The two main arguments of concern in this paper are
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Assuming that the biblical geographical setting has been shifted at some stage in history from it's original homeland in Asir mountains to Palestine; an assumption contemplated recently by many eastern and western theologians and historians, then the question arises as to why doesn't the written Arab history reflect this presumed transgression of their heritage? Or does it? Why have the Arabs remained silent before such a historical sabotage since they were and still are the natives and inhabitants of Arabia where Asir is situated?
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The proposed shifting theory cannot be substantiated unless the perpetrators are identified and their motives are determined. So who are those who embarked in what looked more like a "mission impossible" and worked hard on re-documenting significant historical events to make them sound and appear as if they had occurred in different places? And what were their motives?
Overview of the Actual Journey of the Patriarch Abraham
Following a comprehensive research in the Arabic pre-Islamic historical narrations, and through a bold critical analysis of many contradicting and incoherent narratives, a new map showing the most likely route of Abraham?s journey is emerging slowly. Unlike the popular vividly detailed map exhibited at the back cover of the holy bible, the proposed map in this paper ismostly bound between the start and end points of this journey, and requires more fill-in the gaps and fine-tuning details which necessitate further research, field inspection and possibly archeological exploration. What makes the proposed map credible, unique and of value for future study and research is that it is built from many fragmented narratives of the Arabic pre-Islamic documented history as narrated by ancient Arabic historians. It resolves inherent inconsistencies between the followers of the three most recent religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) and relieves them from the persisting dilemma of "sacred" narratives that contradict reality in terms of time and place. Most importantly, the new map is entirely consistent with the teachings of the Holy Quran and the core of the Syriac Torah.
Photo 1 Aerial picture of the Red sea and the Hijaz region at the west border of Saudi Arabia, illustrating Abraham?s Journey route between Horan and Makkah.
As illustrated in the satellite photo 1, the proposed map for Abraham's journey suggests that his trajectory commenced at Horan valley, which is located at about 300 km south of the holy city of Makkah. Horan was the place, which sheltered Abraham during his infancy through adolescence age. He was taken there most likely on foot by his mother seeking protection from their near by village ? Ur- where he was born. Horan's physical location still appears on Saudi Arabia's modern maps under the name of ?Horan Valley? ( Approx. 19o 46? 01? N - 42o 22? 04? E ), see figure 1.
Figure 1 Horan in the modern Saudi Arabia maps.
He grew up as a shepherd in the neighborhood of this Hijazi Mountain until he came to confront his ancestor's beliefs, which led to the death sentence pronounced against him; however he miraculously escaped this death and left that area accompanied by his young wife Sarah and his nephew Lot. They headed north following the traders' route and sought shelter at Arapha city (ة (Ar-bah' or Arba as inscribed in the Greek Torah). Arapha valley is now a well-known location for it is one of the main holy places that Muslim pilgrims have to visit as part of their annual pilgrimage rituals. In this area, Abraham and his companionship settled down in a tiny terrain that belonged then to a tribal sheikh named Abu Mallek ( ك, precisely near a cluster of trees under the care of a Hijazi Arab by the name of Namera (ة or (Mamre as inscribed in the Greek Torah), see photo 2.
Photo 2 Aerial view of Makkah area showing Mamre (Namera) location 17km east of Beit Allah (Bethel) at Beer Sheba wilderness known today as Makkah (Mecca).
The spot of land (Approx 21o 21? 08? N ? 39o 58? 04? E) where Abraham installed his tents next to Namera's trees was since then named after the owner of the trees, i.e. "Namera ". This name remained adjacent to this land until this very moment, and has been historically marked with stone landmarks and humble structures generation after generation until a huge mosque was recently built in the place and named "Namera" mosque (see photo 3). Millions of pilgrims gather around this mosque every year during the annual Hajj in memory of the place where Abraham and Sarah spent most of their lifetime. At his old age Abraham housed his second wife Hagar and his infant son Ishmael in a barren waterless valley located at about 17 Km to the west of his tents at Namera, thus paving the way to the revitalization of a long forgotten holy site initially established by the nucleus of the first human race - Adam and Eve.
The first spot of land that witnessed the first man?s repentance, and housed the first worship ceremony ever experienced by mankind, is geographically still preserved and is known until today as Beit Allah (or Bethel as inscribed in the Greek Torah) which literally means in both Syriac and Arabic - the Mighty Lord's House. Beit Allah is now situated at the heart of the city of Makkah where Islam evolved and spread. Beit Allah is approximately located at coordinates 21o 25? 19 N ? 39o 49? 34? E. see image 1.
Image 1 At Makkah precisely at Beit Allah (Bethel) Millions of pilgrims, roam around Al Kaba (Kadish) since Abraham time.
On their way to Arapha from Horan, Young Abraham and his small company had to cross many flowing rivers as well as dry riverbeds. The most famous of which was the Phorat? river  (or Euphrates river as inscribed in the Greek Torah) which runs from the Garden of Eden, downhill on the eastern cliffs of the Hijaizi Surat mountains. The famous Phorat River is dry today, however the great riverbed or valley it carved behind is clearly discernible as shown in photo 4. The commonly known river, pronounced ?Phorat? by easterners and ?Euphrates? by westerners, which runs along the west half of Iraq is not the original river nor is its twin river bearing the name Dijlah (ة (or Tigris? as inscribed in the Greek Torah) in fact both their names belong to the original rivers springing specifically from the Garden of Eden. This legendary lost garden is located somewhere on the top of Surat Mountains or inside them closer to Makkah where Adam and Eve resided as narrated in the Ancient Arabic History.
Photo 3 Namera Mosque at Arapha valley erected in memorial of Abraham?s? first house where he lived with Sarah. Millions of pilgrims in white clothing still visit the site during the annual Hajj.
The above is a quick and brief overview of Abraham's journey as emerged from Al Tajdeed Society's extensive research on the pre-Islamic Arabic history. Contrary to the common belief, this map does not contain any reference to Egypt, Iraq or Syria as no credible evidences were found to support this claim apart from conflicting and contradictory narratives, all of them traced back to one single source - the Geek Torah.
Photo 4 Satellite image showing the riverbed left behind the Al Phorat (Euphrates) river in Saudi Arabia.
To understand how this map emerged, one needs first to examine the authenticity and credibility of the current map internationally distributed on some bible?s back covers. Once it is demonstrated that the map in question is inconsistent and unauthentic only then the right questions should be asked in quest for the right answers. A good starting point is to examine the claim that Abraham and his Patriarch sons visited or dwelt in Egypt.
Egyptology ? The Deactivated History
While viewing the pyramids during his visit to Egypt, the Israeli Prime minister Mr. Menachem Begin was reported to have said that his ancestors participated in the building of the Pyramids ?. These comments disturbed many Egyptian officials as reflected in the following news agency report, "The Egyptian minister of Culture Farouk Hosni is reported to have refuted once again Israel's claims on the role played by Jews in building al-Jiza pyramids and their contribution to building certain archaeological areas in al-Fantin island (Jazirat al_fantin) in Aswan. Hosni told journalists " The Jews did not take part in building the pyramids which are considered royal tombs, and it was not permitted to those who follow a religion other than that of the Pharaoh, the King, to take part in building these holy tombs and temples. Hosni added, "The Jews entered Egypt with our Master Abraham (Ibrahim) and some of them left after the defeat of the Hexos and they had no mentionable role in building the Pharos civilization." Mr. Hosni?s statement is a representative sample of the dilemma that Egyptian officials and scholars have to endure when confronted with allegations alienating them from the best of their legacy and heritage. At one end the Egyptian officials confirm that Jews had indeed entered and settled in Egypt during Abraham or Yusuf times; basing this confirmation on few Islamic historical references. The Egyptians also label their ancient sociopolitical system using the Torah term "Pharaoh's? civilization. In addition, they identify their own ancient kings by the title "Pharaohs" which is an Old Testament trademark. On the other hand, the Egyptian scholars deny the Jewish claimed role in building the pyramids or any other significant landmark while they were enslaved by the Egyptian dignitaries!
It is safe to say that the Egyptian public at large, and scholars in particular, have not yet actively considered their own advanced and well documented national history but relied instead on a a highly controversial foreign historical source ? the Torah - in order to track down the sequence of events that took place in their own land during the times of the Patriarchs (1700-1300 B.C). This conclusion can be easily asserted by asking the Egyptian archeologists, historians and scholars few fundamental decisive questions. These questions relate to the core of the major biblical events claimed to have occurred in Egypt, namely-
Do the countless Egyptian excavations, archeological sites and unearthed heritage show any evidence or reference to a non-Egyptian figure named "Abraham" who alleged to have resided in Egypt anytime between the years 1800 and 1700 B.C?
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Is there any evidence suggesting that a non-Egyptian figure named Yusuf assumed a treasurer position around1600 B.C.?
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Does any ancient Egyptian papyrus or manuscript mention anything about an Israeli leader named Moses who confronted one of the prominent Egyptian kings around 1300 B.C?
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Do the Egyptian ancient documents mention that the king who confronted Moses drowned in the red sea 400 km from his capital or even the Nile River or any other watercourse?
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Are there any traces of references found in the thousands of ancient Egyptian scripts mentioning the detailed biblical exodus of more than half a million people around the year 1300 B.C?
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Does any papyrus refer to the famous miraculous sea-crossing of more than half a million fleeing people?
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Have any reference been found between the years 5000 and 32 B.C. indicating that the kings of Egypt were called or referred to as "Pharos" other than the dubious "big house" notion?
The answers to all questions above have been negative to date. Dr Firas Sawah, a prominent Syrian scholar, summed it all up in one of his books when he wrote ? As regards the exodus time, the consensus is that it occurred around 1260 B.C during Ramses II time... however and despite all scholars dedicated efforts, no credible Egyptian historical proof has thus far been secured to support the exodus tale from Egypt ? and the Egyptian ancient manuscripts remain absolutely silent with regards to this eminent Torah originated tale...one simply can?t believe that six hundred thousands enslaved Jewish families suddenly evacuate from the Egyptian delta heading towards the Suez border where they confronted the Egyptian King and Army in a retreat skirmish contact, and eventually caused his death and his army's defeat in a miraculous manner without the slightest reference to such a drastic sequence of events in the well documented and preserved Egyptian historical records?! ? Furthermore, one would expect that identifying the famous ?Pharaoh? mummy in view of the specified chronological order which associates him with Ramses II or to his immediate son Merenptah should be an easy task. This is because the tombs and the historical records of those two particular kings have been found, red and translated longtime ago. Despite these archeological findings, there is yet no evidence or any shred of reference correlating any of these kings to Moses and the Israelis as narrated in the Greek Torah. Dr. Zahi Hawas - Secretary General of the Supreme Council for Antiquities - sums up this arguments in a press interview saying ??the examination of all relevant royal mummies proved that none of them fits Moses Pharaoh. No conclusive evidence is yet at hand to identify the pharaoh ?? In its simplest form and under normal academic circumstances, these mere facts would be more than sufficient to immediately alienate the possibility of the biblical exodus taking place in Egypt. Consequently, whoever emphasized that the major biblical events had indeed taken place in Egypt should have submitted their tangible proof, otherwise all such claims, based on Egyptology, are to be dismissed and with all objectivity and common sense considered unfounded until credible evidences are made available. For the independent and free mind observers, the current situation is clearly running the other way around. The accurate and credible history of a highly civilized nation has been positioned at the passenger seat and restricted to attract tourists, while a literally stranger historical source ? the Old Testament that originated outside Egypt - is placed at the driving seat to steer the country towards its predetermined fate. This obscure and difficult to comprehend status quo managed so far to prevail due to several factors; namely
? Those who are supposed to defend their national history are not doing so! The Egyptians themselves, being a historically religious nation, would naturally hold on to the privilege and honor of hosting the Patriarchs. Therefore, they would mentally and emotionally favor waiting as long as it takes to extract from their own national history evidences to support foreign historical claims suggesting that the Patriarchs had dwelt in their lands. Thus, they waited for more than 2300 years in vain and no one is prepared to draw a conclusion and close this file.
? The Patriarchs and the land of their eventful life are mentioned in the holy Quran. Having Egypt associated with the Patriarchs meant that their homeland gained another blessing by having it referred to in the Islamic holy book. This is clearly noticed from the banner posted at the Cairo airport which holds a welcome statement extracted from the holy Quran.
? The post Islamic historians to date have kept on stressing that the Israeli Patriarchs and the Israeli people entered and resided in Egypt, which has added more weight in favor of the biblical claims.
The predicament experienced by the scientific community is that, on one hand, millions of Jewish, Christian and Moslem masses are persistently insisting that Egypt was indeed a geographical central point in the Patriarchs' lives especially for Moses; while on the other hand, the Egyptian history does not offer the slightest tangible evidence of any of these major claimed events! The believers resolved this contradiction by mentally marginalizing the genuine and authentic land history with idolatry or paganism terms as biblically preached, in the hope that the holy biblical claims will ultimately get substantiated. Equally, the researchers and archeologists are increasingly perplexed while observing the widening divide between what they actually discover and what they ought to discover under the believers pressure. As it stands, and due to the holy nature of their references, it hardly occurred to the believing masses that the Egyptian history is the credible genuine source of information that needs to be seriously considered, and since this history has remained obstinately silent about the biblically claimed events, then it is obvious that such events may had occurred but certainly not in Egypt. It hardly occurred to the scholars of the three religions that it is about time they embarked on a major paradigm shift by returning back to their own source of information, be it holy revelations or historical quotations, to review their understanding of how for example have they concluded that the exodus had occurred in Egypt geographically. The researchers at Al-Tajdeed Society embarked on this paradigm shift and consequently re-examined the Arabic and Islamic history books and references and critically analyzed tens of contradictory quotes and texts. The outcome was stunning; for it was found that unlike what is being preached by many Islamic religious scholars, the holy Quran not only didn't vindicate that the Patriarchs were in Egypt, but also sought to correct this erroneous widespread understanding by refuting this claim all together. Furthermore, it was found that Islamic historians did not corroborate these claims but were simply reiterating the mistaken misunderstanding traced back to the biblical tales which shaped the public awareness and knowledge in Arabia more than 800 years before the Quran was revealed. It also turned out that the pre-Islamic history contains a variety of information indicating that the biblical geographical scenes were in fact in Arabia itself. To unfold our "Da Vinci code" version in this paper, let us start by reviewing the Holy Quran verses that are considered by the Moslem scholars as the unequivocal proof that the Israeli exodus headed by Moses had indeed occurred in Egypt.
Misr vs. Egypt - The overlooked key fact
As narrated in both the Quran and the Old Testament, Musa confronted a person named Fir'awn . One verse in the Quran cites a statement made by Fir'awn to his people mentioning a key geographical location. The official translation of the verse in question is " And (Fir'awn) proclaimed among his people, saying "O my people! does not the dominion of Egypt belong to me, (witness) these streams flowing underneath my (palace)? what! see ye not then?" "Am I not better than this (Musa), who is a contemptible wretch and can scarcely express himself clearly?" (Az-Zukruf, Ch 43 verse 51-52) In this given context, western English readers could reasonably conclude that Muslims are in accord with the biblical account on Mose?s geographical emplacement, i.e. Egypt. What most western readers won't realize however is that they are reading a mistranslation of the holy verse, one which doesn't echo what the verse actually says in Arabic! The Arabic version of the same verse doesn't mention the name Egypt at all. What it mentions all over is the name "Misr". The correct translation ought to read "? "O my people! Does not the dominion of Misr belong to me? ?". In fact, it is not adequate to translate proper names since they are an expression of a distinctive identity of a person or a place, and therefore should solely be vocally transliterated in translations; just like the names of Musa and Fir'awn as indicated in the above verses. Why was the name "Misr" transformed into "Egypt" during the translation process? The answer to this particular question will be revealed later, but first let us consider the following scenario Had the translation mentioned the real name i.e. Misr as the homeland of both Fir'awn and Musa, then the western readers would naturally inquire about where this place "Misr" was? If the answer was it is the country known by the name Egypt, then another questions will raise, which is why are Muslims calling an ancient worldwide known country by the name "Misr" while the rest of the world identifies it by the name "Egypt"? If someone said that probably this country was called Misr during Musa time around 1300 B.C, then this will raise another series of questions such as called Misr by whom? And why? Why is there no reference in the Egyptian records during that era, i.e. under Ramses II, that Egyptian kingdom was named ?Misr? nor in era before or after the 19th dynasty to which Ramses II is assigned? Why are there no such references in the historical records of all ancient Egypt's contemporary neighboring civilizations to support the claim that their ancient neighbor was named "Misr", despite the active political and economical relationships between them? If the answer is that it was called Misr after Islam by the Muslim nations, then another set of questions will surface, such as since when has this name been projected on Egypt? What does this name "Misr" mean? And why have the Muslim nations in particular, named this ancient valley by the name ?Misr?? Why has the rest of the world retained the old name and not changed it to "Misr? in turn? These questions and many others have not been raised by western ancient as well as contemporary scholars and theologians simply because they were all under the impression that Muslim nations are in agreement with the biblical geography as transpires from the readily available translations of he holy Quran. This inadvertent oversight from the translators of the Quran had deprived western scholars from raising authentic arguments to the conflicting information they inherited from the Greek Torah via the Christian church. Equally, Muslim nations views and beliefs remained for centauries unquestioned and unchallenged by any other nation, which eventually hardened their inherited inaccurate understanding of the Patriarchs geographical locations mentioned in the holy Quran. This cycle contributed in shadowing the Christian and the Muslim worlds, as well as many Jewish communities, in a long term illusion which has been challenged to date only by the holy Quran and
Egyptology revelations.
On the reasons that led Muslim translators to transform the name "Misr" to "Egypt", the answer goes back to the fact that Egypt currently has two formal names. One is recognized by non Muslims which is "Egypt", while the other is "Misr", which is recognized by all Muslims in the world including Egyptians themselves who introduce themselves as "Misries" to the Muslims and as "Egyptians" to the rest of the world. Realizing that most westerns are unaware that Egypt is called Misr amongst the Muslims, the translators of the Quran decided to simplify the issue by systematically replacing every "Misr" in the Quran with ?Egypt?, so that the western readers would understand which land the Quran refers to, as they imagined. The translators had obviously good intentions, but did the holy Quran really need any help to identify which land it meant? Why should Muslims assume that whenever the Quran literally mentions the name "Misr" it actually means "Egypt"? Is this long-established central assumption accurate? Or is it about time that it is subjected to a critical analysis and review?
The main rational evidence supporting the contemporary Muslims belief that Egypt was Yusuf?s land and Moses? exodus ground, is that the Quran states that Pharaoh and the Patriarchs were in Misr as mentioned above, and since Egypt is known amongst the Muslims by the name "Misr", then it follows that Egypt must be the land of Moses and Yusuf. This deduction may sound perfectly logical. The argument, however, is irrespective of what Egypt is called today, since the Pharaoh declared to his people that he was the owner of Misr as stated in the verse above, then what really matters is to prove that during the year 1300 B.C. Egypt was indeed called Misr by its people. If this argument is substantiated than one could safely conclude that the Muslims reasoning is soundly proven. For some reasons, Muslim nations thought that this fundamental argument has been addressed and settled long time ago. However, it came out that this argument has never been seriously addressed, and if investigated, it would reveal to Muslims that their current belief with respect to the Patriarchs? geography is not only unfounded but also in discord with the teachings of the Quran!
The cumulative discoveries available to the public prove that Egypt was not called Misr during the 19th Egyptian dynasty. There isn't a single Egyptian record that mentions the upper and or the Lower Egypt by a single name pronounced "Misr" or any other name phonetically close to it. In fact there is no evidence to prove that the name Misr was used to identify Egypt at any recorded era let alone during the 19th dynasty. On the contrary, what is mentioned in Egypt?s ancient history, as narrated in Osiris and Isis myths is the name Koptos or Copto which were gradually converted in to Gebt (ط and then to El-Gibt (ط and finally E-gypt as pronounced by the westerns. As to the records of the ancient western civilizations, all the mythical literatures and maps refer to this land under no name but Egypt or Egipt. The Greek Danaos Daughters? myth is a good example, which proves that the name "Egypt" is extremely old and it resisted any attempts to change it. As to the ancient eastern nations, all of them referred to Egypt under the same name "Gebt " except for the early Muslims who for some reason decided to discontinue using it. This fact necessitates an investigation on the time when Muslims started calling El-Gibt by the name Misr and the reasons of this mutation. According to the Arabic history, during the times of prophet Mohamed (pbuh) (570-632 A.D), Egypt was known amongst the people of Arabia by the name Al-Gipt (ط .This is obvious from the message that the prophet sent to the Egyptian ruler Al-Mokawkas inviting him to embrace Islam, see figure 2 for an image of the preserved original hand-written manuscript. What interests us from this letter are the following extracts " In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. From Mohammed Ben Abdullah to Al-Mokawkas the chief of Gipt, ? If you decline you will bear the burden of the Gipties sins ?? This particularly valuable letter clearly indicates that Al-Gipt was Egypt?s formal name up to the time of prophet Mohammed (pbuh). The reply that came from Al-Mokawkas also confirms that the Egyptians at that time introduced themselves to Arabia as Gipties ?? To Mohamed Ben Abdulla from Al-Mokawkas the chief of Gipt ? I honored your messenger and I sent you appreciation presents and two bondwomen whom are highly valued in Gipt ??
Figure 2 The manuscript of the Message sent by the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) to the Egyptian ruler showing the words Al-Gipt ( E - gypt) with no mention of the name Misr.
Despite the fact that the Egyptians didn't recognize the name "Misr" for their land, as reflected in the reply, yet the people of Arabia during the prophet's time were referring to Egypt amongst themselves as "Misr"! This is inevitably demonstrated in many records and correspondences from that era. For example, the second caliphate Omer Ben Al Khataab sent a letter to his army leader Amro Ben Al Aas, advising him to treat the Giptis kindly. Interestingly, the letter referred to this same land by both names ?? let it be known to you that Misr land is spared from Khoms? and the prophet Mohamed praised the Giptis?? The use of the name "Misr" amongst early Muslims and not using it in their correspondences with the Egyptians themselves indicate that the early Arabian Muslims used two names to identify the land of the Nile. Other historical references indicate that both names existed in their daily dialogue before even the Islamic era. The difference between the two names is significant. "Misr" is used within Arabia only and has a biblical origin. "Gipt" however is used with the Egyptians and the rest of the world which does not recognize Misr as a name of Egypt. Phonetic analysis of the name "Al-Gipt" reveals that it is actually equivalent to "Egypt". In other words, the Arabian people until the dawn of Islam shared the same ancient name that identified this land with the rest of the world. It was sometime after the entry of Arabian Muslims into Al-Gipt, that the internationally known name was gradually replaced by "Misr" and remained so until now? . Therefore one concludes that Misr is not Egypt?s original name and that it is not old enough to apply to the pharaoh?s statement when he declared to his people of his time that he is the owner of Misr. Therefore, by searching for pharaoh and Musa in Egypt While the Quran clearly states that they were in a place called Misr, the Muslims are actually looking in the wrong place. The question now is if Muslims are looking in the wrong place, why have the ancient as well as the contemporary Jews and Christians been considering Egypt as the homeland of Musa and Pharaoh as well?
The Septuagint ? Egypt?s holy dungeon
While Arabia was directly receiving the heavenly revelations one after the other, the European nations, like other nations, were also receiving the same revelations but through the traders and scholars who traveled or migrated to their lands carrying along the news and knowledge of the latest heavenly revelations. Like the Quran, the Torah in the form of the Ten Commandments was first revealed in Arabia, it was documented at some stage in the Arabic Syriac language. During their exile in Babylon (586 B.C) the Israeli Rabbis produced what they called the Torah containing the Ten Commandments in addition to historical accounts of the Israeli tribes. That Syriac Torah might have been the first recognized written holy book produced by Israeli Rabbis. In that Syriac book, Mizraim / Mitsrayim was the documented name of the place where Musa and the Pharaoh lived. This name is consistent with the holy Quran account as indicated in the above-mentioned verse? . The geographical locations of the major events were obviously clear and well-known to the ancient believers until the appearance of the Septuagint (ة - the Greek Torah.
The Septuagint is the first Greek translation of the Syriac Torah. It could be the first translations of the Arabic Syriac Torah to any other foreign language. It was compiled in Egypt around 282 B.C only shortly after it fell under Alexander the Great's control. Ptolemy Ben Philadelphus, the Greek sovereign, requested that the latest revelation at that time be translated to Greek. A team of seventy rabbis produced the translation and it is reported that within seventy days the Greek Torah was ready for publishing. In that Geek book, a slight alteration was introduced during the translation process. Every Arabic Syriac word which reads ?mzarm? was translated to this Greek word "" which reads ?Ae-gypti? ,i.e Mizraim was transformed during the translation process to Ae-gypti. This indescribable act was all that was needed to create a large scale long-life illusion. Unlike Misr or Mizeruim, Ae-gypti or E-gypt as pronounced today has always referred to an internationally well-known vast and highly civilized ancient country. The moment the Greek Torah was approved by Ptolemy Ben Philadelphus, Egypt was portrayed as ?Israeli land? in the subconscious of the Europeans as well as all Geeks? widespread colonies. Consequently, since 282 B.C, generation after generation passed on the false ?sacred? information on Egypt's role in the Patriarchs eventful geography until it became an irrefutable fact. This was happening on an international scale, whereas the ancient Egyptians themselves have not seriously resisted this infiltration and fictitious implantation of scenes and events into their history and heritage. In fact, they might have viewed the Septuagint?s claim that the Patriarchs had dwelt in their land as another privilege to the Egyptian already glamorous historical fame. What the ancient Egyptians missed, however, is that by accepting this foreign forged addendum into their unwritten history, they have in fact accepted, in the long term, to give away their land and civilization to a little insignificant tiny Arabian tribe, while their great Egyptian civilization is being absorbed into the ?promised land? saga alongside Iraq and Syria. This ancient deal is the source of today?s confusion and frustration of Egyptian scholars when every now and then someone arrives from overseas to insolently boast his ancestors presumed role in building the great pyramids! This will sadly remain the case until Egyptian scholars and officials decide to establish independent research teams to review their history from the time the Septuagint was issued, and objectively examine the damage inflected by this Greek Torah on the their kings' reputation and civilization achievements. This might be the only way for the Egyptian nation to escape the Septuagint sacred dungeon.
The Egyptian pharaoh ? The living Holy Hoax
In his numerous lectures, Dr Zahi Hawas keeps on utilizing the Torah word ?Pharaohs? when making references to his country's greatest ancient kings. Equally, he confirms that despite the exhausting national and international archeological missions, there are not to date any objective scientific evidence to the assumption that Remeses II or his son Marnabtah were the Torah?s described Egyptian king during Musa time. The case usually stops at this dead-end point, and indications are that this will not change unless a sharp detour is made. The answer to this impasse was spotted by a well-known Islamic historian named Al-Masooedy ( *** - 946). As reported by the Al-Atabaki, Al-Masooedy documented his findings following a personal investigation. He wrote ?? I have asked a group of Gipti (ط scholars while I was at Al-Saeid ( )(Upper Egypt) about the meaning of the name Fir'awn (pharaoh). They didn?t know the meaning of the word nor did it exist in their Gipti language!! ...? The same meaningless "Pharaoh" word in Gipti language was also reported by Ibn Khaldun . This is the answer to the impasse which the majority of contemporary as well as past scholars might find difficult to submit to. As linguistically confirmed , there is no word pronounced "Pharaoh" in the Gipti language nor is it a written or used word amongst the Gipti public, let alone a famous Royal title. The closest pronunciation to the word Pharaoh most scholars are holding to is ?per-aa? as explained by Marie Parsons ?? it should be pointed out that "pharaoh", the most popular "title" of the Egyptian King, is not Egyptian at all. That is to say, the Egyptians did not call their King "Pharaoh" until very late in their history, and then only as non-Egyptians took up the word. "Pharaoh" is a Hebrew pronunciation of the Egyptian word, per-aa, meaning Great House, and was first used as a label for the king himself around 1450 BC. ..? This highly controversial solution has been refuted by many other scholars and researchers such as M S M Saifullah, `Abdullah David & Elias Karim . Michael S. Sanders sums up the topic saying??As can be readily seen it just is not possible to translate Pir?u as Pharaoh unless one has a predilection to so do...?
Despite the confirmation that the word Fir?awn doesn?t belong to the Gipti language nor was it the title of Egyptian kings, it remains true that this word is repeatedly mentioned in the holy Quran as well as the Bible. This persisting contradiction should have instigated researchers to look for this name outside Egypt. It was nearly effortless to find out that the name exists indeed and it has an unambiguous meaning in Arabia. The linguistically compound word needs to be first disassembled to its original root. The root of this Arabic word Fir?awn (ن is Far?a (ع, this linguistic rooting system is customary in the Arabic language. For example the root of word Sidoon (نis Saida (ا, and for Sa'dwoon (ن is Sa?d ( ) and for Babylon (ن is Babel (ل etc. By looking up the Arabic dictionary for the meaning of the root Far?a(ع the answer is immediately evident. Amongst the many meanings this root holds, one finds the following fundamental meaning ?The top or the chief of something i.e. be it land, mountain, body, people etc?? This means that the word Fir?awn is not a name but a title of social order. The Arabian history and language provides further stunning personal information regarding Fir?awn himself which supports this finding. Ben Asaker, Ben Kathir and Al-Majlessy report the following information to the fact that Fir?awn was married to an Arabian lady ?? Fir?awn?s wife was Asia (اdaughter of Mozahim (م Ben Abdullah ( ه Ben Al Rayan (ن Ben Al Walid (د, Mozahim was Misr?s Fir?awn during Yuousf?s time?? These names are reported to have been confirmed by the prophet Mohamed (pbuh) himself. For those familiar with Arabic names, they would immediately realize that such names could not be found in ancient Egypt as they can only be found to-date in their Arabia homeland. To the surprise of our researchers, many Arabic historians have indeed reported a name for Fir?awn himself. The following is a quote found in several references ?? I asked Mousa Ben Jaffer to explain to me the meaning of the following Quranic verse requesting Musa and Haron to approach Fir?awn ( Go, both of you, to Fir?awn (Pharaoh), verily, he has transgressed. And speak to him mildly, perhaps he may accept admonition or fear All?h." Jaffer replied that the meaning of ?And speak to him mildly? is to address him during the speech by his title Abu Musaab ( ب as Fir?awn name was Al Walied (د Ben Musaab (ب? ? . These names and title are closely related to Arabian tribes. Al Hamawi wrote in his book the following details about Fir'awn, revealing his personal astonishment " ? Fir?awn was from Bialie Arabs, he was short with fair skin and long beard, he ruled Misr 500 years then Allah perished him in the water and his name was Mussab (ب , some people claimed that he was a Gipti descendent, and not from the Amalek (ه !?" This quote indicates that during the author's time, other sources were claming that Fir?awn was Gipti which was surprising to the narrator. Sadly today, what he quoted is causing astonishment and what he questioned became internationally common knowledge! The Amalek, to whom Fir?awn belongs, has been mentioned in the Torah as well as the Arabian history. They are a well know ancient tribe that lived in Makkah and nearby as reported by Dr. Ahmed Amin "? The Akhbariyen (Ancient Arab historians) mentioned that the Amalek inhabited Makkah, Madina and Hijaz, they were tyrants and Musa confronted them. The Jews dwelt in Hijiaz after the fall of the Amalek". Al Shibani, however, reported that Fir?awn's name was actually Kaboows (س. He wrote "? then Misr was ruled by Kaboows (س Ben Musaab (ب Ben Moawya (ة Ben Nomir ( ) Ben Al Salows (س Ben Qarn (ن Ben Amro(و Ben Amalek (ق ?" So Fir'awn first name could be Musaab or Kaboows and both names are of Hijaizi origin and are not expected to be found amongst the royal Gipti names. The same information was also known to some Arab Jews and Christians as narrated by al Qurtabi and Al Shookani whom wrote ?? Wahab? (ب reported that the people of the book? knew Fir?awn by the name Al Walid (د Ben Musaab (ب Ben Al Rayan (ن and his title was Abu Morah ( ه?? This quote indicates that not all "the people of the book" were fully influenced by the Septuagint fake dogma. However, the total absence of Fir?awn's name from their documents, or at least those documents made available to the public, indicates that Fir?awn's identity was systematically kept out of reach.The amount of Arabic history or history-related references that mentioned Kaboows or Musaab or Al Walid as the first name for Moses? Fir?awn are more than staggering fifty. Here is a list for the researchers' reference
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This abundantly cited historical information on Fir?awn's identity will most likely come across as surprising for many Muslim readers as well as Christens and Jews. This is because some of the early post-Islamic historians have adopted and documented the Septuagint originated forged details preached by most Arab Jewish and Christen tribes for more than 800 years before the Islamic revelation. Their historical documents became Islamic references for the forthcoming generations of historians until today. The contradicting details between the pre-Islamic original information and the post-Islamic borrowed ones generated palpable discrepancies, the solution for which was to gradually deactivate the original Arabian history like was the case with the Egyptian history in favor of the prevailing inaccurate western one.
Having discovered Fir?awn's full name from the history of the land where he lived and later ruled, there is no point in looking for him among the list of Gipti royal names. Doing so is like looking for a king named Abdullah among medieval Christian Scottish Royal family list. What are the chances of finding such a name in such a place, position and time?To sum up, against the schemes of Ptolemy and the 70 rabbis, Egyptology resisted the implantation of the Tyrant Fir?awn in its Gipti heritage. Equally, Arabian history rejected this forgery and resisted the amputation of Musa from Arabia by retaining enough historical information to trace the origin of biblical events. It is high time we realized that there were no Pharaohs in Egypt and this expired title should be returned back to where it had always belonged, in Arabia.
In Search for the Patriarch in Arabia ? Uncovering the desert sand
As explained earlier, the Geek Torah committed a forgery. The word "Misr" in the original Syriac text has been intently replaced during the translation process by the word Al Gipt. Consequently, the low profile word ?Misr? never been mentioned to the westerns believers while it started to fade away in the eastern believers' minds and awareness in favor of the high profile ?Egypt?. Despite its insignificant size, Misr was however the theater of major biblical events. So where was Misr located?
Arabian history vindicated by the holy Quran states that Abraham lived in Makkah. In fact both he and his son Ishmael constructed Beit Allah- the Ka'bah as mentioned in this verse ? And remember Ibrahim and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah( (with this prayer) "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us for Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing? (Al-Baqarah - Ch1 verse 127). Many other important events took place around Makkah including the site where Ishmael was offered in sacrifice? ? Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice now see what is thy view!" (the son) said "O my father! do as thou art commanded thou will find me, if Allah so wills, one practicing Patience and Constancy!" (Asl-Safat - Ch 37 verse 102). The location of the sacrifice place is still preserved and has been since known under the name Mena(ى or Ishmael Altar, where millions of Muslim pilgrims offer oblations every year from the time of Abraham. Mena Altar is located 6 km east Makkah (see photo 5) next to the Arapha (ة valley which contains Namera Mosque. According to Arabia history we read ?... Gabriel said to Abraham carry enough water with you. They went to Mena valley, then to Arapha valley.He erected his tents in Namera- This place since then was marked with white stones to preserve it, and it was anciently known as Abrahams Masjed (prayer place) the same place is now annexed to the Namera Mosque...? These places are mentioned in the Torah but geographically shifted outside their real locations and systematically scattered allover Palestine.
Photo 5 Close up satellite image of the most important sites of Abraham?s eventful life which are also sites for the annual Islamic Hajj rituals.
Abraham, according to Arabian history was a stranger to Makkah area. His dialect was Syriac while the tribes there were speaking 'irebah (ة ; both different dialects originating from one mother language known for the purpose of this research as Arabic. He crossed the Surat Mountains and settled in Namera, as mentioned in the Torah. Therefore he was labeled with the title they usually assign those strangers whom they allow to settle down amongst them as will be detailed latter. The transient boundary can be roughly estimated from a quote reported by Al-Andulsy (ي who wrote ?Tohama (ة is the region stretching along side the red sea including Makkah and al 'iber ? ر) , Al towr (ر and the island. So the Al a?br is the area between the Phorat river (Eupharte )(ت and the Arab desert??.By constructing a map of this description in Arabia we can identify the area, which includes the Surat Mountains overlooking Arapha valley, see photo 6? .
Since Abraham was one of those who crossed the mountains and descended in the valley of Arapha, he was titled with the Arabic word ?ibriy? (ي which literally means ?the person in transit or the person who crossed over a natural topography such as mountain, river or sea?. The Syriac pronunciation of the same word is also ?ibriy? as both are dialect of the same language and people. The local people of Arapha labeled him with this title for a long time until, as mentioned in the Torah; it was changed from ?ibriy to Ibrahim ? as he became a formal resident of Makkah. By adding the Syriac definition article to the word ibriy, which is the letter ?H?, the word becomes Hibriy or H-'ibrew (ر which literally means "The person in transient". With time, this simple denomination transformed into the famous word ?Hebrew? and was inflated beyond its original meaning to denote the identity of a nation with a distinctive language and religion. The Torah itself clearly indicates that being Hebrew does not necessarily mean one is Israeli (i.e. son of Jacob). This is obvious from Mose?s direct teachings to the Israelis ??If thou buy a Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.? It is forbidden to enslave a fellow Israeli as per Judaism teachings. Therefore, this only means that the word ?Hebrew? is originally an expression used for Israeli as well as any other person as long as he/she is in transit (traveler or crosser). This term simply never meant to be an expression of a distinctive religion, nationality or identity and using it in such a context is a historical abuse.
Photo 6 Light filtered satellite image showing the Phorat riverbed (Euphrates) (shown in fine green line) stretching from the top of the Surat Mountains to south Iraq. The river is bounding the "Arab desert" situated between the A?ber (Surat Mountains) and the great river valley.
At this stage we can address another key question Where from did Abraham come to Arapha valley? According to the holy Quran he didn?t come from far away ? "And I will turn away (seclude) from you (all) and from those whom ye invoke besides Allah I will call on my Lord perhaps, by my prayer to my Lord, I shall be not unblest." (Maryam Ch 19 verse 4 This verse reveals a conversation between Abraham and his people after they tried to execute him. He indicated that he will not migrate but rather seclude م) which implies that he can still conveniently get in touch if he chooses to. The holy Quran did mention many other conversations between Abraham and his father after the fire execution attempt, which proves that his fathers land was not geographically far away from Makkah where he secluded.
According to the prophet Mohamed (pbuh), Abraham was kept off site by his mother in a place called Horan, as per this quote "? Abraham's mother took her child Abraham and fled during the night to protect him from the Tyrant Nimrod. She placed him near three trees on a fast flowing river called Horan ?" . In line with the Septuagint proposed geography, some of the early Jewish scholars claimed that this ?Horan? was located in northern Syria to the east bank of the Iraqi Euphrates River at approximately 1600 km from Makkah, see photo 7.
Photo 7 The Real Horan (Abraham Fathers' home) in Asir Compared to the location of Horan as successfully forged by the Septuagint Rabbis.
owever, there are many places called Horan in Arabia. One of them is on a river bank near the Phorat river (the original Euphrates river) and is only 300 km south of Makkah located at 19o 46 " 19' North and 42o 22" 04' East. Examining the satellite images for this Horan, one can immediately spot the riverbed valley which is dry today, and can observe its proximity to Makkah, which demonstrates how Abraham was able to travel between Makkah and his father's land conveniently. This Horan is also located at the south of the river Phorat, which springs from Adam?s Eden Garden, located on the top of the Surat Mountains and flows all the way down eastwards to collect on a huge dry lake situated at the lowlands of south Iraq, as shown in figures 3 ,4. The place of the dried lake is named Najaf (ف . Proving that this ancient giant Arabian river was the famous Phorat, which lost its name and identity to that running from Turkey to Iraq has been comprehensively addressed in two of the Al Tajdeed research work. Abraham had to cross the Phorat River in his way to Makkah; a detail mentioned in the Torah and the Arabic historical documents. We therefore have very good reasons to believe that this is most likely the real Horan mentioned in the Torah.
On the question about where Abraham headed from Horan, it is revealed in this verse ? He said "I will go to my Lord! He will surely guide me! "O my Lord! grant me a righteous (son)!? (Al Saffat Ch 37 verses 99-100). He went to Namera located in the vicinity of Beit Allah, the House of The All Mighty Lord at Makkah. According to the Quran, he was young when he left Horan and he had his first son at an old age while he was in Namera. He apparently did not know where was the exact location of the house ? And (remember) when We showed Ibr?him (Abraham) the site of the (Sacred)
House (the Ka'bah at Makkah) (saying) "Associate not anything (in worship) with Me? (Al Haj Ch 22 verse 26). Once he realized where the sacred site was, which was then an empty dry barren valley, he had to own it in order to publicizes it for all worldwide believers to be. Consequently, he intentionally and purposely moved Hagar and his son Ishmael to the sacred valley 17 km to the west of Namera where his wife Sarah lived ? "O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring to dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Thy Sacred House; in order, O our Lord, that they may establish regular Prayer so fill the hearts of some among men with love towards them, and feed them with Fruits so that they may give thanks.? (Ibrahim Ch 14 verse 37) The Torah indirectly confirms the short distance between where Abraham lived at Namera and the sacred place through this quote ?..And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread, and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and the child, and sent her away and she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beersheba.?.
As mentioned, the trip from Namera to the final destination to Beersheba required only "bread, and a bottle of Water" which implies that the distance traveled by the child and his mother was far more shorter than the trajectory suggested by the Septuagint, which stretches as far as 1250 km from Palestine all the way to Beersheba at Paran? . The Torah further indicates that once the bottle of water dried out shortly after arriving to the sacred valley of Beersheba, water supply was miraculously made available ?And God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of -
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Peace Hafeez...
The problem with the organization you are referring to is that they took off from a sound and correct foundation the land of the prophets was not palestine, nor Egypt...
... but they reached a FALSE conclusion they placed the land of the prophets around Makkah.
What they have done is rather shameful, because it has tarnished their image as objective truth seekers. Many of the things they said concerning Arabia's history are in fact true... The problem is that they placed the events too far north (in the Hijaz). When you want to prove your theory, you have to be objective and scientific from start to finish. What they did was that they used sound archeological evidence to prove that the Misr of the Quran was not Egypt. But when approaching the issue of Makkah, they resorted to the same old system of hearsay and conjecture. They failed miserably to provide any evidence concerning the historicity of Makkah. Instead of letting the facts lead them to the truth, they twisted the truth to make it fit with their theory.
I will expose their tricks and deceptions very soon, Inshallah.
About Kamal Salibi? The problem with Salibi is that he relied too much on phonetic games to prove his Asir theory. Sometimes he went as far as switching letters around in the names of towns in Asir to make them fit the Biblical names by force. Salibi also took off from a sound springboard when he wrote his book "The bible Came from Arabia". However, like the organization you pointed to, he reached an inacurate conclusion when he placed the Biblical theater in the Khamees Msheit region of Saudi Arabia (the heart of the Asir region). I have enourmous resepct for Salibi nad his work, but I do not agree with his theory.
The problem was alwasy with the names, not the general geographical proofs.
For example, the Tajdeed org. claimed that the "Oaks of Mamre" mentioned in the Bible, where Abraham set up his tent, were actually located in the very same spot as the so-called "Namira Mosque", which is some 8km from Makkah. Hence, "Mamre" = "Namira". This is preposterous and completely false. First of all, from a liguistic point of view, rendering "Mamre" as "Namira" is far-fetched and unconvincing. Also, who told them that "Bethel" = "The House of Allah"?? They could not provide proof that Makkah was ever known by that name. You see the problem? They had certain pre-conceptions in their minds, and they wanted to prove their point...they wanted the reality of Arabia's terrain to fit with their creed, and that is where their mistake lay. Salibi perpetrated the same error, albeit to a lesser extent.
Despite all I have said, credit MUST be given where it is due. In fact, we included them in the list of references at the end of our E-book.
The TRUE theater of the Bibilcal events was neither in Hijaz, nor in Asir. It was around San'aa in Yemen. Starting from the second E-Book, I will put before you the names of places (towns, mountains, and valleys) in that region, side by side with the Biblical names, without twisting the letters around or resorting to phonetic games, and you will see for yourself how they match.
Peace...
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Peace.
My 2 cents
People are related to each other from Adam, and after the Flood & Noah.Prophets could not have lived in the same places and spoke the same language, because people differentiated, settled into different areas, and their language differentiated.
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Peace Youssef
You are right when you wrote "Prophets could not have lived in the same places and spoke the same language, because people differentiated, settled into different areas, and their language differentiated."
But what matters for us is, the prophets mentioned in the Quran by name, (especially Prophet Abraham, Ismail and Muhammad) who are ultimately the pioneers and foundations of our faith after Allah and HIS Quran, did really land in the places as we know. If it is proved wrong, then the whole DEEN will collapse like a house of cards. If it is proved that Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ismail never landed in Mecca then the whole scenario of Hajj will change, the authenticity of Masjid Al Haram, the Qibla, the Bayt Al Haram, the Kaabaa will be at stake, there will be more questions than answers. After years of thorough research and meticulous observation of every word of the verses related to my research, I have come to the conclusion that no prophet has ever arrived in Mecca, including prophet Muhammad and to prove my conclusions I did not go to extreme lengths, but used only the verses of the Quran. Within the Quran, Allah has provided numerous clues and signs, as a guidance for those who have the desire to know the truth, the truth, which till today, remains unexposed. I will place my research on this forum shortly.
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Salam hafeez kazi,
I do not mind that
If it is proved wrong, then the whole DEEN will collapse like a house of cards. If it is proved that Prophet Abraham and Prophet Ismail never landed in Mecca then the whole scenario of Hajj will change, the authenticity of Masjid Al Haram, the Qibla, the Bayt Al Haram, the Kaabaa will be at stake, there will be more questions than answers.
if they are proven to be fabrications... which they seem to be...
there is a major theory here in Free-Minds, about pilgrimage being in Jerusalem of Israel/Palestine, so making Makkah irrelevant...
there is a new one pushed by Pazuzu that in fact Israel / Palestine are irrelevant and similarly so is Makkah as well, with biblical events happening in fact around the area of Sannah and Asir...
You are pushing that Makkah is relevant, without any archeological, logical or even theological rationale...
in fact if you were a Ruler, you will remind me of the Roman Emperor Constantine who for the sake of keeping his Empire stable chose to introduce elements of paganism in the Injeel's message by ordaining the Council of Nicaea where the whole of the Injeel's Faith (book given to Issa) got perverted to accommodate some extra deities in its Canon (mainly the Trinity - such as Allat Mannat and Uzzat)...
What is disheartening is these kinds of action are well described in the Quran, with groups getting some pieces of information, and then putting labels and rituals around them that satisfy the group, which then make it the official religion...
I am afraid, your group is doing no better, as the sunnis, shias, christians, jews and others...
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I am sure there are many of us, who embraced Islam after disappointment in other human-made "religions", who would be extremely interested in demystifying myths fabricated around Islam.
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The people of Moses would not have helped build the pyramids as they were built before Moses, possibly before Abraham too. peace
GODsubmitter, sadly you will find this one not much different to the others, especially now there are those trying desperately to claim all of it happened in Arabia. )
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Peace to all
You are pushing that Makkah is relevant, without any archeological, logical or even theological rationale...
If someone is putting facts from the Quran, the ................want archaeological evidence, needs the logic behind that statement and the same people accepted the fake foot prints of Abraham displayed near the Kaaba as a genuine sign of Allah without verifying it. The same people accepted the wearing of two piece garments during Hajj, without asking the logic behind it. The same people accepted the ritual stoning of the three STONE devils constructed in Mina, without logic and archaeological evidence. The same people accepted the story of Abraham , Ismail and Hajar, and Zam Zam without verifying from the Quran. They accepted everything what their ancestors, the likes of Bukahri and Co. gave them, without archaeological evidence, without any logic, but when they are presented the clear facts from the Quran they don't WANT TO accept it, WITHOUT ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE AND THE LOGIC. THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A BITTER TO SWALLOW.
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hafeez kazi salam,
the TRUTH is never bitter to accept for a Believer... the way you are reading the Quran is perverted by additions of the filters of hadith...
ultimately geographical positions are not important... but the attitude of Belief and Submission is...
It takes courage and faith in Allah to use Him as Sole Guide and Sole Explainer of the Quran and Scriptures...
you rely on your groups...
advice draw closer to Allah (without any preconceptions or conditions) - it will help you more than anything else...
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Peace Nabster
I DO NOT NEED YOUR ADVICE.
THANKS