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When is it ok to lie?

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    Ervin
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    When do you believe or know when its ok to break the precept of not lying. I say know in case someone claims enlightenment.

    Anyway, what about people break and entering illegally in some chicken farms and exposing the truth about chickens living in horrible conditions. If you are interested in information on animal cruelty you can google PETA, wich stands for People For The Ethical Treatment Of Animals. That's form of a deception, the way they obtain evidence. What about an undercover police who with lies save people's lives? Like a policeman posing as a hitmen and ends up saving someone?

    What about police integrity or the office of the police ombudsmen? They have to sometimes do undercover work in order to catch police who might be breaking the law themselves?

    Thoughts

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      StopS
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      Good point, I think! It enters the word "relativity" into the equation.

      There's a guy called Ray Comfort who is a Christian and maintains that anyone who lies is immediately and automatically a sinner and will be condemned unless saved by his scapegoat victim. He does not consider any mitigating circumstances whatsoever. So, yes, there are people like that.

      I maintain telling a wife who is 9 months pregnant she's looking great and wonderful is a compliment - even if it is not entirely truthful. I maintain telling a Gestapo officer that I am not hiding any people is not a lie but a gift to humanity. Which means I clearly advocate a huge big "depends" before passing judgemental decrees.

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        Bigmo
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        Good point, I think! It enters the word "relativity" into the equation.

        There's a guy called Ray Comfort who is a Christian and maintains that anyone who lies is immediately and automatically a sinner and will be condemned unless saved by his scapegoat victim. He does not consider any mitigating circumstances whatsoever. So, yes, there are people like that.

        I maintain telling a wife who is 9 months pregnant she's looking great and wonderful is a compliment - even if it is not entirely truthful. I maintain telling a Gestapo officer that I am not hiding any people is not a lie but a gift to humanity. Which means I clearly advocate a huge big "depends" before passing judgemental decrees.

        Very well said.

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          youssef4342
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          Don't take it form me because i'm not so sure, since God commands us to be rightful witnesses, even against ourselves...but i guess maybe when your oppressed or trying to save someone's life.... the benefit would be greater than the sin.... i guess if you do it in a goodly nature.....

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          And a believing man from the family of Pharaoh who concealed his faith said, "Do you kill a man because he says, 'My Lord is God' while he has brought you clear proofs from your Lord? And if he should be lying, then upon him is his lie; but if he should be truthful, there will strike you some of what he promises you. Indeed, God does not guide one who is a transgressor and a liar. (2

          Whoever disbelieves in God after his belief... except for one who is forced while his heart is secure in faith. But those who open their breasts to disbelief, upon them is wrath from God , and for them is a great punishment; (16106)

          God knows best...

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