New article: What is the meaning of "al masjid al haram"?

Wakas

Dear Mazhar,

Perhaps your style of reply works with others, but it is not working with me. Let us recap on the points you have avoided so far

Can you provide evidence that dreams are only possible with rapid eye movement (REM) sleep?
Can you provide evidence that the rapid eye movement is due to the sleeper using their eyes to "see" in their dream?
Does your theory for when the verb is and is not "real terms" hold for ALL its occurrences?
Does your theory only apply to this verb or others also? If so, can you elaborate.

What are the two objects in 37102?

You claim... to show him "the biggest sign" which you have not identified/elaborated - care to explain?

Ayisha

Salamun alaiki,

No fault of yours. Even some scholars do not care what the word is. It is not the name of some Mosque. It is description with Elative Noun.

Adjectival Phrase Location Noun Definite; singular; Masculine; genitive. It is modified by which is the masculine Superlative noun. When prefixed with definite article, it is used as Superlative, whereby it must be in agreement in gender and number between it and that which it describes. Here, it is used as adjectival portrayal of "The Mosque". One will find in almost all the translations that it is treated as a Superlative signifying its meanings as "the Remote; the Far distant; the Farthest; the Most distant; Remotest". This Superlative Noun is made from Root " ".

The basic perception infolded in the Root, in the words of Ibne Faris is

That, it leads to the perception of far distance and deportation to far away, utmost limit. Lane's Lexicon signified the perception of proceeding to extremities; with reference to drinking water it conveys meaning of drinking in the manner of exhausting the last drop, again reflecting extremity in any action. He emphasized its meanings as reaching and attaining the utmost by referring to various words made from it.
The fact of reaching or attaining the utmost has the built in perception of elevation and altitude. As mentioned earlier also, the Grand Qur'aan, for itself is the best Lexicon. It exposes the perception and meanings of most of its words in a picturesque manner by relationships and contrasts. The basic perception and meanings of the Root are unfolded at the very first place of its occurrence

when/that day you people were on the lower level corner, and they/the approaching army of infidels of Mecca were on far farther highest altitude corner, while the Merchant Caravan was relatively at lower level ground than you people.

So going by that this place whoever was taken was on a higher ground, like a mountain or hill, higher in altitude than Mecca? Or somewhere even higher, highest altitude as in up into space/heaven?

Mazhar

So going by that this place whoever was taken was on a higher ground, like a mountain or hill, higher in altitude than Mecca? Or somewhere even higher, highest altitude as in up into space/heaven?

Superlative is never in comparison to one. It is only about the Masjid, qualified as the one located at the highest altitutde. It can be beyond the frontiers of the Universe.

Mazhar

Dear Mazhar,

Perhaps your style of reply works with others, but it is not working with me. Let us recap on the points you have avoided so far

Can you provide evidence that dreams are only possible with rapid eye movement (REM) sleep?
Can you provide evidence that the rapid eye movement is due to the sleeper using their eyes to "see" in their dream?
Does your theory for when the verb is and is not "real terms" hold for ALL its occurrences?
Does your theory only apply to this verb or others also? If so, can you elaborate.

What are the two objects in 37102?

You claim... to show him "the biggest sign" which you have not identified/elaborated - care to explain?

Salamun alaika,

Sorry brother, whenever you wish to be evasive and turn away from the main subject such posts I quite often get. All above has since been replied.

Ayisha

Superlative is never in comparison to one. It is only about the Masjid, qualified as the one located at the highest altitutde. It can be beyond the frontiers of the Universe.

Or farthest away, whose precincts God blessed.

The literal meaning on openburhan is

Praise/glory (to) who went/moved/traveled/departed by night with/by His worshipper/slave at night/nightly from the Mosque the Respected/Sacred to the Mosque the Farthest/Remotest/Most Distant which We blessed around/surrounding it, to show him/make him understand from Our verses/signs/evidences, that He is the hearing/listening, the seeing/knowing/understanding .

The next discusses Moses, so it could be Moses, and it could be from one place of worship to another, none of which may be Mecca or even Al Aqsa in Jerusalem, but that in Jerusalem is supposed to be the one 'whose precincts We did bless'.

Question is still masjid al haram, the starting point, and who was the messenger.

???

Mazhar

Salamun alaiki, Ayisha

We noticed that the object of making the Allegiant servant tranvel towards the Highest Altitude Mosque was

The purpose of ascending him towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque was that We might show him visually the biggest sign from the Miscellany of Our Demonstrative Signs-Physical realm.

The text of Qur'aan is succinct, expressed with brevity and clarity, with no wasted words. The object of Verb was elided since its inclusion would amount wasting a word. The prepositional phrase makes it evident for all those who know the basics of Arabic and follow the principles of translating a foregin text to some target language by respecting the mannerism and delicacies of original language.

However, Qur'aan leaves not the dropped words at the wish of reader and translators to put therein whatever he likes. All important drops find mention at others places that relate to important episodes. What was to be shown to him, he must have seen that on arrival at destination. What he saw

This is a certain fact that he-Muhammad did observe the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord.

Verb Perfect; Third person; singular; masculine; Subject pronoun hidden which refers back to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, - Verbal noun. This Verb needs one Object. is its Object, which is the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord. Though the learned Grammarians had convincingly taught us that the one Object of Verb is elided, Allah the Exalted has specifically mentioned it leaving no room for the conjecturer to spread stories about it.

These words comprise three phrases; a Prepositional Phrase and two Possessive Phrases. These phrases with First Person Sovereign Pronoun will be as in 171.

"Updates" sometime later, InshaAllah.

Ayisha

Salamun alaiki, Ayisha

We noticed that the object of making the Allegiant servant tranvel towards the Highest Altitude Mosque was

The purpose of ascending him towards the Extreme Distant Altitude Mosque was that We might show him visually the biggest sign from the Miscellany of Our Demonstrative Signs-Physical realm.

The text of Qur'aan is succinct, expressed with brevity and clarity, with no wasted words. The object of Verb was elided since its inclusion would amount wasting a word. The prepositional phrase makes it evident for all those who know the basics of Arabic and follow the principles of translating a foregin text to some target language by respecting the mannerism and delicacies of original language.

However, Qur'aan leaves not the dropped words at the wish of reader and translators to put therein whatever he likes. All important drops find mention at others places that relate to important episodes. What was to be shown to him, he must have seen that on arrival at destination. What he saw

This is a certain fact that he-Muhammad did observe the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord.

Verb Perfect; Third person; singular; masculine; Subject pronoun hidden which refers back to Muhammad Sal'lallaa'hoalaih'wa'salam, - Verbal noun. This Verb needs one Object. is its Object, which is the Greatest Sign amongst the Physical Realm of his Sustainer Lord. Though the learned Grammarians had convincingly taught us that the one Object of Verb is elided, Allah the Exalted has specifically mentioned it leaving no room for the conjecturer to spread stories about it.

These words comprise three phrases; a Prepositional Phrase and two Possessive Phrases. These phrases with First Person Sovereign Pronoun will be as in 171.

"Updates" sometime later, InshaAllah.

Allah doesn't waste words, but you do add them in. Muhammed is not mentioned in 53.18 either.

The physical realm also implies it's not up in the heavens all this took place.

peace

kgwithnob

..."so that We might make him see with eyes"...

The red highlight above is from me.

1st How do you interpret the following verses?

124,

125,

1236,

1243,

1244,

2nd The words altitude, ascend, night,... all can be used relative to the Earth, they are irrelevant when getting far from the planet Earth.

3rd The whole discussion seems to be of the realm of "MUTASHABIHAAT", but not of the "MUHKAMAAT", and according to the verse 37 the interpretation of it lies with GOD(SWT) alone. One can delve into these kin of discussions till the end of the world and no one can come to any certainty regarding their real meanings, except getting farther and farther away from the truth and creating more confusion.

37,

Peace,
Khalil

Mazhar

Allah doesn't waste words, but you do add them in. Muhammed is not mentioned in 53.18 either.

Salamun alaiki,

You are not reading English text that you could see the subject of verb written seperately. The Subject, third person, singular masculine is inherent in the Arabic Verb.

Ayisha

Salamun alaiki,

You are not reading English text that you could see the subject of verb written seperately. The Subject, third person, singular masculine is inherent in the Arabic Verb.

So how do you know the Subject, third person, singular masculine is Muhammed? You are assuming it is. peace

Mazhar

So how do you know the Subject, third person, singular masculine is Muhammed? You are assuming it is. peace

Fine question. You will agree that in English a third person masculine pronoun refers to a man who is identified earlier. Same is in Arabic. Read the episode, in Arabic every word is connected and is not in isolation.

This is to confirm that Guiding Lord of you people did not become unmindful of his surroundings feeling bewildered or lost in the vastness. Moreover, nor he distracted.
Mind it that neither he is narrating this episode emanating in vacuum/ empty thoughts and wishful conjecture.

Ayisha

Fine question. You will agree that in English a third person masculine pronoun refers to a man who is identified earlier. Same is in Arabic. Read the episode, in Arabic every word is connected and is not in isolation.

This is to confirm that Guiding Lord of you people did not become unmindful of his surroundings feeling bewildered or lost in the vastness. Moreover, nor he distracted.
Mind it that neither he is narrating this episode emanating in vacuum/ empty thoughts and wishful conjecture.

I have double checked to see if we are talking about the same verse and we are. There is no 'Guiding Lord' and no Muhammed in there, again you are assuming.

And the only Guiding Lord is ALLAH! brickwall

Bender

Fine question. You will agree that in English a third person masculine pronoun refers to a man who is identified earlier. Same is in Arabic. Read the episode, in Arabic every word is connected and is not in isolation.

This is to confirm that Guiding Lord of you people did not become unmindful of his surroundings feeling bewildered or lost in the vastness. Moreover, nor he distracted.
Mind it that neither he is narrating this episode emanating in vacuum/ empty thoughts and wishful conjecture.

Salaam,

you are far away &

Mazhar

I have double checked to see if we are talking about the same verse and we are. There is no 'Guiding Lord' and no Muhammed in there, again you are assuming.

And the only Guiding Lord is ALLAH! brickwall

Salamun alaiki,

You start striking your head even when you do not know the phrase referred to. You see a big word with the name of Muhammad sas and your brain cells get immediately heated up. I don't know why. "Sahibukum" is a Possessive Phrase. The first noun is definite having a person in it. And you do not know that this noun is Active Participle one who does a job. And Pronoun "Kum" includes you and me. However, it is your choice not to accept him your "Sahibu".

Look what Allah the Exalted says,

We guide with this Grand Qur'aan anyone from Our created ones whom We intend;
and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;

Bender

Salamun alaiki,

You start striking your head even when you do not know the phrase referred to. You see a big word with the name of Muhammad sas and your brain cells get immediately heated up. I don't know why. "Sahibukum" is a Possessive Phrase. The first noun is definite having a person in it. And you do not know that this noun is Active Participle one who does a job. And Pronoun "Kum" includes you and me. However, it is your choice not to accept him your "Sahibu".

We guide with this Grand Qur'aan anyone from Our created ones whom We intend;
and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;

Salaam,

You really see words which are not there, and I am not talking about the words in brackets

Mazhar

Salaam,

You really see words which are not there, and I am not talking about the words in brackets

Salamun alaika,

You may have noticed that does not effect the translation. It is not even in English that one could consider it as part of translation or insertion of opinion within brackets.

with this Grand Qur'aan

Did you not see the prepositional phrase "bihi"? Pronoun referring back to AlKitabu--is it other than Qur'aan?

Bender

Salamun alaika,

You may have noticed that does not effect the translation. It is not even in English that one could consider it as part of translation or insertion of opinion within brackets.

Salaam,

As I said I was not talking about what is in the brackets.

Mazhar

Salaam,

As I said I was not talking about what is in the brackets.

Sorry I did not notice red part. I have replied it by modifying the post but your post went up earlier.

Ayisha

Salaam,

You really see words which are not there, and I am not talking about the words in brackets

It's not just me then brickwall

Ayisha

Salamun alaiki,

You start striking your head even when you do not know the phrase referred to.
No, I strike my head when you add words that aren't there and MISlead a reader.

You see a big word with the name of Muhammad sas and your brain cells get immediately heated up. I don't know why.

Don't patronize me Maz, I know what 'the big word means' and I know there is no NAME attached to it.

"Sahibukum" is a Possessive Phrase. The first noun is definite having a person in it. And you do not know that this noun is Active Participle one who does a job. And Pronoun "Kum" includes you and me.

Companion

However, it is your choice not to accept him your "Sahibu".
How can he be my companion, he's dead.

Look what Allah the Exalted says,

We guide with this Grand Qur'aan anyone from Our created ones whom We intend;
and beyond an iota of doubt, you the Messenger are certainly guiding them towards the Straight Path;

Red is not there. Purple is not there.

It seems to me you are trying your best to choose 20 words which make no sense to describe the few words that other translators have used to make sense, and it also appears you are making the messenger Muhammed into something on par with Allah. The Quran guides, God guides, the messenger is only a messenger.