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    mirjamnur
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    Salam )
    I know that was a lot of discussion on this topic and it exists many theories. But i would like to ask the people here Is the Quran inside the creation or not??
    I think the Quran is created. Only God stays outside His creation. The word from God (Quran) is also a creation in a special language, that we humans can understand it.
    5677
    It is an honorable Quran.
    Innahu laqur-anun kareemun

    5678 In a well-guarded Book. 23
    Fee kitabin maknoonin

    what you think ?? thanks and Salam

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      mmkhan
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      Salaam mirjamnur,

      Please let me know what you mean by the word "Creation" or "Created" for alQuraan, and can you please tell me what is the Arabic word that you have translated as "Creation" or "Created"?

      May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
      mmKhan

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        noshirk
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        Salam
        I know that was a lot of discussion on this topic and it exists many theories. But i would like to ask the people here Is the Quran inside the creation or not??
        I think the Quran is created. Only God stays outside His creation. The word from God (Quran) is also a creation in a special language, that we humans can understand it.
        5677
        It is an honorable Quran.
        Innahu laqur-anun kareemun

        5678 In a well-guarded Book. 23
        Fee kitabin maknoonin

        what you think ?? thanks and Salam

        salaam sister
        i didn't understand your question. Where is the problem ? Quran is created by God and i never doubted from that.

        May this help you
        1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book .

        Peace

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          Salaam mirjamnur,

          Please let me know what you mean by the word "Creation" or "Created" for alQuraan, and can you please tell me what is the Arabic word that you have translated as "Creation" or "Created"?

          May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
          mmKhan

          Salam mmkhan

          Kh-Lam-Qaf = To measure or proportion a thing, to form or make according to proper measure, bring into existence according to a certain measure, originate or produce after a pattern or model which one has devised, bring into existence from a state of non-existence (create out of nothing), to fabricate or forge a speech or saying, to make a thing equitable or even, make a thing smooth, to be probable or likely to happen (or likely to be or happen, or to have happened or been), act towards someone according to that person's nature, wear out a thing and make it old, to be fit/ competent/ suitable/ proper, to be complete or perfect in respect of make or proportion, have an innate/natural disposition/temperament/quality.

          khalaqa vb. (1)
          perf. act. 221, 229, 2228, 359, 3191, 41, 41, 518, 61, 62, 673, 694, 6100, 6101, 711, 712, 712, 754, 7181, 7185, 7189, 936, 103, 105, 106, 117, 11119, 1316, 1419, 1432, 1526, 1527, 1533, 1585, 163, 164, 165, 1648, 1670, 1681, 1761, 1770, 1799, 1837, 1848, 199, 1967, 204, 2055, 2116, 2133, 225, 2312, 2314, 2314, 2314, 2317, 2391, 23115, 2445, 252, 2549, 2554, 2559, 2678, 26166, 26184, 2760, 2944, 2961, 308, 3020, 3021, 3040, 3054, 3110, 3111, 3125, 324, 327, 3511, 3540, 3636, 3642, 3671, 3677, 3681, 3711, 3711, 3796, 37150, 3827, 3875, 3876, 3876, 395, 396, 3938, 4067, 419, 4115, 4121, 4137, 439, 439, 4312, 4387, 4438, 4439, 4522, 463, 464, 4633, 4913, 5016, 5038, 5149, 5156, 5236, 5345, 5449, 553, 5514, 5515, 5657, 574, 642, 643, 6512, 672, 673, 6714, 7039, 7114, 7115, 7411, 7538, 762, 7628, 788, 8018, 8019, 827, 872, 904, 923, 954, 961, 962, 1132
          impf. act. 347, 349, 517, 5110, 7191, 168, 1617, 1617, 1620, 1799, 2273, 2445, 253, 2868, 2917, 3054, 3681, 394, 396, 4249, 4316, 5659, 7720
          perf. pass. 428, 2137, 5235, 7019, 865, 866, 8817
          impf. pass. 7191, 1620, 253, 898
          n.vb. 2164, 3190, 3191, 4119, 754, 104, 1034, 1034, 135, 1316, 1316, 1419, 1749, 1751, 1798, 1851, 1851, 2050, 21104, 2314, 2317, 2764, 2919, 2920, 3011, 3022, 3027, 3030, 3111, 3128, 327, 3210, 347, 351, 3516, 3678, 3679, 396, 396, 4057, 4057, 4229, 4319, 454, 4633, 5015, 5015, 673,

          769, 3668, 3711, 7927

          pcple. act. 6102, 13!6, 1528, 23!4, 353, 37125, 3871, 3962, 4062, 5235, 5659, 5924

          khalaq n.m. 2102, 2200, 377, 969, 969, 969

          khallaq n.m. 1586, 3681

          why my question?? I read yesterday or before i didn't remember where exactly, that one member said, that in his opinion, the Quran is not created.

          salaam sister
          i didn't understand your question. Where is the problem ? Quran is created by God and i never doubted from that.

          May this help you
          1339 God erases and confirms what He wishes, and with Him is the source of the Book .

          Peace

          Salam Noshirk
          yes, for you clear, but it seems not for all clear
          http//aqeedah.wordpress.com/2006/09/01/asharis-believe-quran-is-created-and-ibn-qudamas-refutation/

          Imaam Ibn 'Asakir wrote,

          "The Mu'tazila said, 'Allah's speech is created, invented, and brought into being.' The Hashawiyyah who attributed body to Allah said, 'The Alphabetical characters (al Huroof Al Muqatta'a), the materials upon which they are written, the colors by which they are written, and all that is between the two covers (of the volumes of Qur'aan), is beginningless and preternal (qadima azaliyya). Al-'Ashari took the middle rode between them and stated, 'The Qur'an is Allah's beginningless speech, unchanged, uncreated, not of recent origin and time, nor brought into being. As for the aphabetical characters, the materials, the colours, the voices, the elements that are subject to limitations (al Mahdudaat), and all that is subject to modality (Al Mukayyafaat) in the world - all this is created, brought into being, and invented."

          (Tabyin Saqqa Ed. pg 151)

          so for me the Quran is the word of God but created- as Jesus Word of God and created.
          Salam my brothers and thank's )

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