Inheritance according to Qur?an
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No, it's not about him having twenty fingers and toes. That analogy is true regardless of the number of girls.
The boy has the same amount of fingers as the one girl
The boy has the same amount of fingers as the two girls
The boy has the same amount of fingers as the three girlsIt's an illogical analogy when applied to sharing inheritance. Two females is used for a reason; not one, three, etc.
The boy has the same amount of money as the one girl (11 ratio)
The boy has the same amount of money as the two girls (21 ratio)
The boy has the same amount of money as the three girls (31 ratio)4176 AND IF (i.e. begin new case) they were ikh'watun brethren/siblings rijal wanisa
so to the male like share the two (feminine)http//easycalculation.com/charts/imagedisplay.php?rand=1230912497
Peace
Of course, it is used for a reason, but the reason is to fix the part of the inheritance as a function of the number of girls, Therefore it alots first to the girls it is not, again, a male the same amount as the amount given to two girls together, it is if there are two girls he gets the same amount as them. There is a determinate article and it is the number of girls that maters. And then it continues with the case of more than two girls and then with the case of one girl and at no time in all that it suggests or hints or says that in the first case it is speaking about mixed gender and then only about one gender, it is still speaking about mixed gender.
The amount of twisting of the arabic in order to uphold "the male double the female" is fantastic. And the maths is not going to change what the Arabic says.
And the Qur'an if it wasn't a question of the shares as a function of the number of females, could have said with no trouble and no esoteric idioms that the male takes double as the female, which it doesn't say.
No matter how many cakes to cut you put in the messages, the fact that it does not say to the male double the female, but that it says the share of the male is the same as the share of the two females, it is the same as if you say the salary of that employee is the same as the salary of those two employees, it is not saying it is double, but that those emplooyees get a salary which the same as the salary of the first. not the summ of both salaries amount to the salary of the one.
But I suppose it is very hard to rennounce privilege and arabic and Qur'an will be twisted and pressed in every way so as to get what one wants to get out of it, no matter how preposterous.
It is preposterous that somebody is shocked and reject such possibility because in some very rare cases some males might get less than some female, but that the fact that all the females in existence will be skimmed of half their inheritance is taken for granted with no qualms or exclamations of it being unfair.
The problem is not in the Arabic or the maths or anything, the problem is somewhere else.
Salaam
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Of course, it is used for a reason, but the reason is to fix the part of the inheritance as a function of the number of girls, Therefore it alots first to the girls it is not, again, a male the same amount as the amount given to two girls together, it is if there are two girls he gets the same amount as them.
Peace huruf, with that reasoning you cannot ever distribute
411 directs you The God in your children
to the male like share the two (feminine)2 daughters 2 sons
2 daughters 3 sonsNor can you distribute when parents or spouse are included above.
That is mathematical/logical proof that your reading is contradicting.4176 ? and if they were ikh'watun brethren/siblings rijal wanisa
so to the male like share the two (feminine)
clarifies The God to you lest you stray
and The God in every a thing KnowingPeace
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If the distribution is as a function of the number of female daughters,
It says the male like the share of the two females, and the number of males does not matter, wht is fixed is what is alotted to the females, then what is left is alotted to the males, in whatever number.The females are the ones that are numbered, one, two, over two. So the the effects one, the male is any number of males. So the male (any number of males) is one third between them.
Or you can use proportion if they are one to two they will get the same as the two females, or if they are three, the three get the same amount as one of the females, which is what goes on when there are over two females and they get two thirds. The third that is left is for the males.
Now, please, please, please don't cringe that that would be unfair, because you are pushing all along the principle with no qualms and no trouble that to disinherit the whole feminine population is quite acceptable and no big deal, in spite of the Qur'an itself considering women generally as more vulnerable than men.
How would you find that the first care of those who are supposedly qawwamun (carers) dor the women would be to snatch as dilligently as possible any parte that might fall on the women as inheritance?
Some jokes are funny, others are not.
Salaam
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If the distribution is as a function of the number of female daughters,
It says the male like the share of the two females, and the number of males does not matter, wht is fixed is what is alotted to the females, then what is left is alotted to the males, in whatever number.The females are the ones that are numbered, one, two, over two. So the the effects one, the male is any number of males. So the male (any number of males) is one third between them.
What I'm trying to explain is that it contradicts 4176 which does not revolve around the number of females.
It leads to unsolvable combinations. Examples2 daughters 2 sons
2 daughters 3 sons
The above with siblings (two unknowns; hence unsolvable)3 sisters 2 brothers
3 sisters 3 brothersEven with your interpretation revolving around females you still end up with male getting twice. Example
3 daughters 1 son
girls get 2/3 (2/9 each) 1 son gets 1/3 (3/9) or 1.5 times.4 daughters 1 son
girls get 2/3 (1/6 each) 1 son gets 1/3 or twice as muchYou really have to study all cases and correct interpretation cannot contradict give unsolvable results. It is the same proof for example we know the spouse or father cannot share together with siblings.
Proof
1 = father (variable) + siblings mixed 21 ratio male to female (undefined in your interpretation)
1 = y + 2x + x
1 = y + 3x (no solution without involving negative numbers (-2=y, 1=x))In conclusion to the male like share the two (feminine) is a simple 21 ratio.
Peace
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So with the children nothing to complain about. The gretaer the number of the same sex, individually they may have less, but also they are more to help and share along. It goes the same for the males as for the females. It is fair and I think wise that precisely those who might be in a minority are better protected. That s single daughter among many males should inherit more is sensible, she is more protected. the other way around are less fvoured but still with lesser number reltively more favoured. For a measure that is general I think it is very thoughtful.
Of course, there is for all cases the possibility to make wills based on the individual needs. A general dispositions cannot fullfill individual need nor it is its purpose.
The distribution for the children I already answered that. And for the restin another forum in Spansih we hve been dealing with it, and now, as far as I can judge, I have may be a good idea of what the
ma taraka
and the
min ma taraka entails.Ma taraka is the first distribution which is stated, and min ma taraka comes after as a "correction" in the sense that what it refers to should be charged to that same first inheritance. So that from the inheritance you take out at the same time the two sixths for the parents as the parts for the twos of sisters, or the two thirds for the more than two or the half for the one girl child.
If there is left an amount without being ditributed, if the inheritors are poor it me be attributed to them in the same proportion as the same attribution, if they are well off, it can go for social purposes. That I am not inventing the Qur'an commands to do that, so either to the needy inheritors, or to the needy non natural inheritors.
I think all combinations following that pattern can be had.
If not there may be an error in interpretation of the dispositions of the Qur'an or no the right proceedure has been applied.
I uote form the spanish site
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- Se considera que hay un solo legado inicial, que consta de la suma de la parte correspondiente a los progenitores y a la viuda.
- Sobre los 1.000? se aplica una sola cantidad de 333,33? (2 sextos) + 125? (1 octavo)
- La cantidad restante de esta operaci?n es 541,67?
- Sobre la cantidad de 541,67? se aplican 2 tercios para las f?minas y 1 tercio para los varones
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Salaam
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Of course, there is for all cases the possibility to make wills based on the individual needs. A general dispositions cannot fullfill individual need nor it is its purpose.
Of course!
The distribution for the children I already answered that. And for the restin another forum in Spansih we hve been dealing with it, and now, as far as I can judge, I have may be a good idea of what the
ma taraka
and the
min ma taraka entails.Ma taraka is the first distribution which is stated, and min ma taraka comes after as a "correction" in the sense that what it refers to should be charged to that same first inheritance. So that from the inheritance you take out at the same time the two sixths for the parents as the parts for the twos of sisters, or the two thirds for the more than two or the half for the one girl child.
If there is left an amount without being ditributed, if the inheritors are poor it me be attributed to them in the same proportion as the same attribution, if they are well off, it can go for social purposes. That I am not inventing the Qur'an commands to do that, so either to the needy inheritors, or to the needy non natural inheritors.
I think all combinations following that pattern can be had.
If not there may be an error in interpretation of the dispositions of the Qur'an or no the right proceedure has been applied.
I uote form the spanish site
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- Se considera que hay un solo legado inicial, que consta de la suma de la parte correspondiente a los progenitores y a la viuda.
- Sobre los 1.000? se aplica una sola cantidad de 333,33? (2 sextos) + 125? (1 octavo)
- La cantidad restante de esta operaci?n es 541,67?
- Sobre la cantidad de 541,67? se aplican 2 tercios para las f?minas y 1 tercio para los varones
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Salaam
OK to translate, case is parents, wife, 3+ daughters, 2+ sons
1 - 1/3 parents (2/6 x 1000 = 333.33) - 1/8 wife (?1000 x 1/8 = 125) = 13/24 to children (1000 x 13/24 = 541.67)
children 541.67
541.67 x 2/3 = 361.113 to girls
541.67 x 1/3 = 180.557 to boysProblema/contradiccion numero uno -- take out the sons try distributing...
3 daughters, parents, wife?
3 daughters, mother?
3 daughters, sister?Problema/contradiccion numero dos -- be consistent with 4176 where 1/2 and 2/3 is not applicable nor are ma/what taraka/left or mimma/from what tarakna/left mentioned; it's clearly about mixed siblings and we are only given this function...
4176... so to the male like share the two (feminine)
How for example using only the above to distribute 3 sisters and 2 brothers?
Interesting discussion guys!! I'm going to read this thread from the beginning and see what I can deduce.
Gracias!
Paz!
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Salam, Peace, Nun, Huruf, all,
just a question that come to me, I don't know if you already looked at it or maybe discussed it before
In the verses regarding inheritence, in the scenario where the husband die, and leave behind wife and children, the usual scenario is having one wife and children. Do we have any case where verses speak about 2, 3, 4 wives, is it 1/8 each etc...
Does the verse say 3-"To the wife...1/8" or "To wives ...1/8"This can help to conclude if "polygamy" was the default or not.
Thanks
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Salam, Peace, Nun, Huruf, all,
just a question that come to me, I don't know if you already looked at it or maybe discussed it before
In the verses regarding inheritence, in the scenario where the husband die, and leave behind wife and children, the usual scenario is having one wife and children. Do we have any case where verses speak about 2, 3, 4 wives, is it 1/8 each etc...
Does the verse say 3-"To the wife...1/8" or "To wives ...1/8"This can help to conclude if "polygamy" was the default or not.
Thanks
Peace herbman,
It cannot be confirmed since verses addresses the community as a whole (plural).
412
and for you (masculine plural) half what left your spouses
and for them (feminine plural) the fourth from what you left (plural)Having multiple wives is clear since prohibition of marrying sisters is stated.
423
prohibited onto you ...
and that you gathered between the two sisters only what hence passedThis is basic logic...
IF marrying multiple sisters = FALSE
THEN marrying non-sisters = TRUEDistribution same any like category inheritors (e.g. sons) they all share evenly.
2 wives, 2 sons
1 - 1/8 wives (1/16 each) = 7/8 sons (7/16 each)
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Peace herbman,
Notice the switch " to them" with " to you" otherwise the math would not work.
Example 4 wives, no child, each wife would get 1/4, leaves nothing for the parents.412
and to you half what left your spouses if not was to them waladun/offspring/child
so if kana/is (masculine) to them walad (if to deceased/wife a male child/born) so to you the fourthand to them the fourth from what you left if not was to you waladun/offspring/child
so if kana/is (masculine) to you walad (if to deceased/husband a male child/born) so to them (feminine plural) the eightFew more examples...
wife-1 (son)
wife-2 (son)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = true
if no child = false
wives share = 1/8 fixed
parent share = 1/6 fixed
1 - 1/3 parents - 1/8 wives = 13/24 sonswife-1 (daughter)
wife-2 (no child)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = false
if no child = false
wives share = variable
1 - 1/2 daughter = 1/2 wives (1/8 each)wife-1 (son)
wife-2 (daughter)
wife-3 (no child)
wife-4 (no child)
if son = true
if no child = false
wives share = 1/8 fixed
1 - 1/8 wives = 7/8 children (7/24 daughter + 7/12 son) 21 ratio male to female -
Hi guys,
I think I finally worked out inheritance.
https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KVs7S_G7YEQkN5Y3RlZmJzOFE/edit?usp=sharing
Here is a simple questionnaire that highlights the respective ayat related to your situation.
Answer the 5 questions, Get your answer.
Let me know if there are any problems....Been testing it seems to work fine.
Go to File and press download (doesnt work on the google drive, requires conditional formatting)
I need all the feedback I can get. Test it and tell me if you find errors.
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Hi guys,
I think I finally worked out inheritance.
https//drive.google.com/file/d/0B6KVs7S_G7YEQkN5Y3RlZmJzOFE/edit?usp=sharing
Here is a simple questionnaire that highlights the respective ayat related to your situation.
Answer the 5 questions, Get your answer.
Let me know if there are any problems....Been testing it seems to work fine.
Go to File and press download (doesnt work on the google drive, requires conditional formatting)
I need all the feedback I can get. Test it and tell me if you find errors.
Peace Notexceling,
Incomplete, erroneous translation e.g. kalala, walad, etc., nor does it cover all combinations or give distributions.
Perhaps as an exercise distribute parents die leave property jointly owned.
3 children heirs; 2 sisters and 1 half-brother from father's first marriageCASE 1 father dies then later that same day the mother
CASE 2 mother dies then later that same day the father
CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accidentHere are all the combinations that the calculator needs to consider ?
Daughter/s
Son/s
Father
Mother
Wife/Husband
Sister/s
Brother/sDaughter/s, Son/s
Daughter/s, Father
Daughter/s, Mother
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father
Son/s, Mother
Son/s, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Sister/s
Son/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother
Father, Wife/Husband
Father, Sister/s
Father, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband
Mother, Sister/s
Mother, Brother/s
Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Sister/s, Brother/sDaughter/s, Son/s, Father
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Father, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Father, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Mother, Sister/s
Son/s, Mother, Brother/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Father, Mother, Sister/s
Father, Mother, Brother/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/sDaughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/sDaughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/sDaughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Father, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Son/s, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Daughter/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/sDaughter/s, Son/s, Father, Mother, Wife/Husband, Sister/s, Brother/s
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Perhaps as an exercise distribute parents die leave property jointly owned.
3 children heirs; 2 sisters and 1 half-brother from father's first marriageCASE 1 father dies then later that same day the mother
CASE 2 mother dies then later that same day the father
CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accidentPeace, here are distributions for reference.
CASE 1 fathers? half property
1/8 wife
7/8 children (7/32 each daughter + 7/16 half-brother from fathers first marriage)
Then mothers 1/2 property + 1/8 to daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)CASE 2 mothers? half property
1/4 husband
3/4 daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)
Then fathers 1/2 property + 1/4 to 3 children (3/16 each daughter and 3/8 to son)CASE 3 parents perish simultaneously as in an accident
? mother?s half property to daughters (half-brother zero, not his mother)
? father?s half property to 3 children (1/8 to each daughter and 1/4 to son) -
Wanted to link threads; two ways to resolved the contradictions
- using 1, 2, or 3+ female to male ratios for children and siblings
- toggle meaning of walad as exampled in this thread and below
Peace NielsJacob
It has to do with definition of walad and we know from 411 that either sex is included.
411 directs you the god in awldikum/children yoursLikewise with cross-reference we know yakun can refer to either sex.
2196 ... to whom not yakun/that be family his presentLikewise with cross-reference we know that ? family his? includes females
2932 and family his except lady his be she (f/s) from the remain behindWhereas kana/be he (m/s) always refers to masculine
Example Case 3 daughters, husband
411 so if kunna/be they (f/p) nisan/womenfolk above two (f)
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3)412 and for you half what left spouses yours
if not yakun/that be for them walad (if no child 1/2)
so if kana/be (m/s) for them walad so for you the fourthTherefore husband share is left variable/undefined this particular case and gets 1/3 remainder.
1/2 if no child = false
1/4 if son = falseThat?s only non-contradicting reading far as I know for all combinations without surplus/deficit.
Contradiction excess 2/3 + 1/4 = 0.9167
1/2 if no child = false
1/4 if child = trueContradiction deficit 2/3 + 1/2 = 1.1667
1/2 if no son = true
1/4 if son = false4176 ... shows the god for you lest stray yeh and the god in every thing knower
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Peace ? needed to update definition of Kalala as also a person who leaves no daughters as heirs else there is a contradiction in 412 and key difference whether to apply 412 presence of son or 4176 no son.
Thus siblings only inherit together with mother and/or son/s and never with daughter/s, spouse, or father.
411 directs you the god in children yours to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) so if be/are (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two (feminine) so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2=2/3) what left and if be she (f/s) one (f/s) so for her the half and to parents dual his to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if be (s/m) for him waladun/born (son) so if not that be for him waladun/born (child) and heirs parents dual his so to mother his the third so if be (s/m) for him ikh'watun/brother so to mother his the sixth from after will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god be knowledge of wisdom of
412 and for you half what left spouses yours if not that be for them waladun/born (child) so if be (m/s) for them waladun/born (son) so for you the fourth from what left they from after will made they in it or judgment and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not that be for you waladun/born (child) so if be (s/m) for you waladun/born (son) so to them the eight from what left thou you from after will thou making in it or judgment and if be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth so if be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third from after will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god know-er forbear-er
4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) if person perished not for him waladun/born (son) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (son) so if be dual (f/d) two (f/d) so to them dual (f/d) the third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left and if be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing know-er
Examples
If children mixed 21 male to female (411)
3 daughters 2/3 (no son/s), 1/3 (parent/s and/or spouse) share equally
2 daughters (no son/s, unstated), parent/s, spouse; they share equally
1 daughter 1/2 (no son/s), 1/2 (parent/s and/or spouse); share equally1/3 parents, 2/3 son/s or children mixed 21 male to female
1/3 mother, 2/3 father1/2 husband, 1/2 parent/s (412 if no child)
1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 children mixed 21 male to female (412 if son)1/4 wife, 3/4 parent/s (412 if no child)
1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 son/s or children mixed 21 male to female (412 if son)412 ... and if be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth
1/6 mother, 1/6 sibling, 2/3 son/s
412 ... so if be they of (2+) more from such so they partners in the third
1/6 mother, 1/3 siblings (share equally), 1/2 son/s
4176 they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouse-less daughter-less (i.e. mother, son/s, and/or siblings are only heirs) if person perished not for him waladun/born (son) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (son)
1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/24176 ... so if be dual (f/d) two (f/d) so to them dual (f/d) the third dual (1/3 + 1/3 = 2/3) from what left
2 sisters 2/3 (1/3 each), mother 1/3
3+ sisters unstated share equally
3 sisters (1/4 each), mother 1/4
4 sisters (1/5 each), mother 1/5
5 sisters (1/6 each), mother 1/64176 ... and if be they of (2+) ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk so to the male similitude apportion the two (feminine) shows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing know-er
21 male to female ratio siblings mixed
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 male to female -
Peace,
This has been puzzling me for a long time ? where is distribution for exactly two daughters?
411
so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above ith'natayni/two
so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2=2/3) what left
and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her the halfLane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... also, in the Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding twoLikewise puzzling, where is distribution for 3+ sisters?
4176
so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two
so to them dual the third each from what leftThe answer I believe has been there the whole time 4176 which is not two sisters.
Read closely the part right after if no child which then gives case for two daughters!4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouseless
if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/born (child)
and for him sister so for her half what left
and he inherits it if not that be for her waladun/born (child)so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two (daughters!)
so to them dual the third each from what leftand if be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk
so to the male similitude share the two (feminine)Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, no child
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2
2+ sisters, mother (share equally)1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)
If siblings mixed 21 male to female (4176)
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 ratioKalala case - fatherless spouseless, no son
3+ daughters 2/3 (411), sibling/s 1/3 (If siblings mixed 21 male to female 4176)
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), sibling/s 1/3
1 daughter 1/2 (411), sibling/s 1/23+ daughters 2/3 (411), (sister/s, mother) 1/3 share equally
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), (sister/s, mother) 1/3 share equally
1 daughter 1/2 (411), (sister/s, mother) 1/2 share equally3+ daughters 2/3 (411), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/6
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/6
1 daughter 1/2 (411), mother 1/6, brother/s 1/33+ daughters 2/3 (411), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/6 (21 male to female 4176)
2 daughters 2/3 (4176), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/6
1 daughter 1/2 (411), mother 1/6, siblings mixed 1/3412
and if be rajulun/man inherited kallatan (fatherless spouseless) or im'ra-atun/lady
and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth
so if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the thirdKalala case - fatherless spouseless, has son
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s or children mixed (21 male to female 411)
1/3 siblings, 2/3 son/s or children mixedIt needs to be resolved in 412 language to distinguish presence of son else contradicts if only daughters?
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Kalala case - fatherless spouseless, has son
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s or children mixed (21 male to female 411)
1/3 siblings, 2/3 son/s or children mixedIt needs to be resolved in 412 language to distinguish presence of son else contradicts if only daughters?
Peace everyone,
Final notes to explain logic especially Kalala (fatherless spouseless daughterless).
Cannot say Kalala is fatherless spouseless with son then say in 4176 if no child.
That would be contradictory, like defining Kalala fatherless then say if no parent!4176 siblings mixed no child (21 male to female) and father ? unsolvable! Father cannot inherit with siblings.
412 wife 1/4 no child, 1/2 sister (4176 no child) ? 1/4 too much! Spouse cannot inherit with siblings.
411 daughter 1/2, sibling 1/6 (412) ? 1/3 too much! Daughters cannot inherit with siblings.411
directs you the god in awldikum/children yours
lildhakari/to the male similitude share al-unthayayni/the two (feminine)If children mixed 21 male to female ratio
so if kunna/be (f/p) nisan/womenfolk fawqa/above two so for them (f/p) third dual (1/3*2 = 2/3) what left
3 daughters 2/3 (2/9 each), parent/s and/or spouse 1/3
Lane, An Arabic English Lexicon
? thus one says, (Mgh, Msb) i. e. Ten is above nine; meaning ten exceeds nine
... Kur iii. 12], (Mgh, Msb) exceeding two.2 daughters 2/3 (4176), parent/s and/or spouse 1/3
and if knat/be she (f/s) widatan/one (f/s) so for her the half
1 daughter 1/2, parent/s and/or spouse 1/2
and to parents dual his to each one from them dual the sixth from what left if kna/be (m/s) for him waladun/born (son)
1/6 mother, 1/6 father, 2/3 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female
so if not yakun/that be for him waladun/born (child) and heirs parents dual his so to mother his the third
1/3 mother, 2/3 father
so if kna/be (s/m) for him ikh'watun/brother so to mother his the sixth
1/6 mother, 5/6 brother/s
from after a will have made in it or judgment fathers yours and children/sons yours not thou knowing which of them closer to you benefit of obligation from the god surely the god kana/be knowledge of wisdom of
412
and for you half what left azwjukum/spouses yours if not yakun/that be for them (f/p) waladun/born (child)1/2 husband, 1/2 parent/s
so if kna/be (m/s) for them waladun/born (son) so for you the fourth from what left they (f/p) from after will made they (f/p) in it or judgment
1/4 husband, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 5/12 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female
and for them the fourth from what left thou you if not yakun/that be for you waladun/born (child)
1/4 wife, 3/4 parent/s
so if kna/be (s/m) for you waladun/born (son) so to them the eight from what left thou you from after will thou making in it or judgment
1/8 wife, 1/3 parents (1/6 each), 13/24 son/s or if children mixed 21 male to female
and if kna/be (m/s) rajulun/man inherited kallatan/fatherless spouseless daughterless (i.e. possible heirs are son, mother, and siblings) or im'ra-atun/lady and to him brother or sister so to each one from them dual the sixth
1/6 sister/brother, 5/6 son/s
1/6 sister/brother, 1/6 mother (411), 2/3 son/sso if kn/be they of more from such so they partners in the third
1/3 siblings (share equally), 2/3 son/s
1/3 siblings (share equally), 1/6 mother (411), 1/2 son/sfrom after will is recommended in it or judgment other than harmful will from the god and the god knower forbearer
4176
they seek ruling your say the god gives a ruling you in al-kallati/the fatherless spouseless daughterless if im'ru-on/person perished not for him waladun/born (child) and for him sister so for her half what left and he inherits it if not yakun/that be for her waladun/born (child)Kalala case - (no child)
1 sister 1/2, mother 1/2
2+ sisters, mother (share equally)
1+ brothers 5/6, mother 1/6 (411)so if knat/be (f/d) ith'natayni/two (daughters!) so to them dual (f/d) the third each (1/3 + 1/3 = /3) from what left
2 daughters 2/3 (see 411)
and if kn /be they of ikh'watan/siblings rijlan/menfolk of wanisan/and womenfolk falildhakari/so to the male similitude share al-unthayayni the two (feminine)
If siblings mixed 21 male to female ratio
1/6 mother (411), 5/6 siblings mixed 21 male to female ratioshows the god for you lest stray yeh of and the god in every thing knower
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