How you would like it as Mazhar said - kill your son
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357, instead of making fun or coming up with ridiculous theories based on nothing but your mind, why not try looking at the verses and thinking about it. You have actually come up with nothing but derogatory remarks. I really can't see the point of your post but to jibe and joke about verses in Quran.
Maxhar explained the Arabic reasonably clearly, if you speak Arabic then give us your detailed explanation of the verses, not just what you would like it to say or based on today's culture and try to think from a perspective of an extremely righteous man as Abraham was.
peace
as for your choice #2, I would like to see you say that to God's command
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Salam 357
Slaughter=to kill in a subtle way, Yes?
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no slaughter is not = kill!!!
53 FORBIDDEN to you is carrion, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that over which any name other than God's has been invoked,7 and the animal that has been strangled, or beaten to death, or killed by a fall, or gored to death, or savaged by a beast of prey, save that which you may have slaughtered while it was still alive; and all that has been slaughtered on idolatrous altars.8 And to seek to learn through divination what the future may hold in store for you9 this is sinful conduct. Today, those who , are bent on denying the truth have lost all hope of your religion do not, then, hold them in awe, but stand in awe of Me! Today have I perfected your religious law for you, and have bestowed upon you the full measure of My blessings, and willed that self-surrender unto Me shall be your religion.10 As for him, however, who is driven by dire necessity11 and not by an inclination to sinning -behold, God is much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
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To note that the Arabic word 'Thakaytum' has been used to describe slaughter (killing) in a permitted form . This expression was used here as opposed to "Thubiha" that describes the sacrifices, as a pagan ritual and explicitly mentioned on sacrifice altars.
Unlike Thakaytum killing to eat (hunting, livestock, etc.)
Thiba killing for religious purposes, such as sacrifice for GodWhy God uses here the word 'Thakaytum' instead of the word Thiba / Ziba '?
when we study the two words in the Quranic context, we note that Thiba is always used negatively and is needed for a victim/ a sacrifice (, blood sacrifice, human sacrifice or other from past communities) who was alleged that God requires it. The Quran reminds us the same as Jesus refers in the New Testament The condemnation of the senseless sacrifice attributed to God.
In fact, these are two different words to describe the act of killing, an indication that the only 'victim; which is allowed in the eyes of God, the respectful killing from an animal in order to satisfy hunger.Salam peace
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peace Ayisha
i am not agree with you. God will not order anybody to kill his son/daughter.
a good answer from a brother in another forumSalamun Alaikum,
At no place in the Quran does it say that God asked for the sacrifice. We have to clear our minds completely of everything we have learnt since childhood and 'rethink' and ponder from the Quran to ascertain its true perspective.
We note from the Quran
(a) At no place does the Quran say that God asked or 'inspired' Prophet Abraham to kill his son. Note that God does 'inspire' his servants as he did with Mary to put her baby into the water (287)
(b) At no place does the Quran say that God sent Prophet Abraham the dream. The Quran only says that Prophet Abraham had a dream (37102). The Quran clearly informs us when God does inspire dreams such as with Prophet Muhammad (1760; 4827; 843) and those visions that are fulfilled such as with Prophet Joseph (124; 12100). However, Prophet Abraham's vision was 'stopped' by God (37104-5)
We also know from the Quran that God does not advocate humans to be killed or do evil acts. God only commands and enjoins justice (1690)
All the Quran informs us is that Prophet Abraham had a dream (37102), he wasn't sure about the nature of the dream, so he sought his son's opinion (37102). His son believed it from God and they both continued to submit to the task thinking it was from God. God stopped them in time (37104-5) and God informed them that they had fulfilled the dream. There is a strong implication that this was because they had already 'submitted' in purpose to what they believed was from God.
Given this huge undertaking that they were willing to submit to, this was called a 'manifest trial' (balau-l'mubeen).
Salam
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peace Ayisha
i am not agree with you. God will not order anybody to kill his son/daughter.
a good answer from a brother in another forum
Salam"At no place does the Quran say that God asked or 'inspired' Prophet Abraham to kill his son. Note that God does 'inspire' his servants as he did with Mary to put her baby into the water (287)"
Mary ?? So now Mary is the mother of Moses?
I've only read that far, working so not got time to go through the rest but someone who claims Mary as the mother of Moses when there is no name in that verse can't be that 'up' on what he's talking about.
peace
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peace Ayisha
i am not agree with you. God will not order anybody to kill his son/daughter.
a good answer from a brother in another forum(74)
No court did take cognizance of this murder.
(80) (81) (82)
This murder of a boy was under the command of Allah the Exalted.
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peace Ayisha
i am not agree with you. God will not order anybody to kill his son/daughter.
a good answer from a brother in another forum
Salam(b) At no place does the Quran say that God sent Prophet Abraham the dream. The Quran only says that Prophet Abraham had a dream (37102). The Quran clearly informs us when God does inspire dreams such as with Prophet Muhammad (1760; 4827; 843) and those visions that are fulfilled such as with Prophet Joseph (124; 12100). However, Prophet Abraham's vision was 'stopped' by God (37104-5)
All the Quran informs us is that Prophet Abraham had a dream (37102), he wasn't sure about the nature of the dream, so he sought his son's opinion (37102). His son believed it from God and they both continued to submit to the task thinking it was from God. God stopped them in time (37104-5) and God informed them that they had fulfilled the dream. There is a strong implication that this was because they had already 'submitted' in purpose to what they believed was from God.
Given this huge undertaking that they were willing to submit to, this was called a 'manifest trial' (balau-l'mubeen).
There really is no getting away from it is there rotfl
I wonder sometimes at the brains of some people, even this guy can't fiddle with the verses enough to get away from the fact.
He submitted, he was willing to do it, God stopped him because it wasn't the intention that he kill his son, the intention was that he be willing to do it. He fulfilled it, he passed the trial.
The verses are there, use your head.
peace