Music and Singing in the Quran.(is it mention anywhere in the Quran?)
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Lookitup, it is awfully funny that you say that hadith made you come to that conclusion because in fact I have read hadith where the Prophet not only approves of music and dancing, but actually encourages to participate. So...
If you start asking hadith in order to act or not act in some particularly way you will end up having to choose between hadiths or choosing whatever pleases you or discarding them as a normative source alltogether, because you will be nuts before long.
Salaam
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Lookitup, it is awfully funny that you say that hadith made you come to that conclusion because in fact I have read hadith where the Prophet not only approves of music and dancing, but actually encourages to participate. So...
If you start asking hadith in order to act or not act in some particularly way you will end up having to choose between hadiths or choosing whatever pleases you or discarding them as a normative source alltogether, because you will be nuts before long.
Salaam
really? do you have links regarding these hadiths? salam bro )
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thanks man. I appreciate the reply. I've read every word.
if you have the time vote on my poll
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604712.0No problem! And I voted on your poll. I find your questions very legitimate and I will take a moment to answer those, too.
Peace be upon you! yay
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really? do you have links regarding these hadiths? salam bro )
For the sake of accuracy, I am a sister.
As to reference to hadiths, I am sorry, I am a lousy documenter. I read, I take the gist of it and never care to note down where or what. But I can assure you they exist. May be you can do a search for music, allowed, forbidden... Well I am sure you will be able to manage it, though it may take time.
In fact, one thing about hadith is that on any question you may find one thing and the opposite recommended, ordered, forbidden, etc.
Which even if we think they are authentic, which we will never be able to ascertain, it is logical. Things which are not decisive usually depend a lot on situation, circumstances, persons' condition, etc. ... so why should anything at all always be the same?
The trap of hadith is that anybody can pick whatever he or she likes and pound it on whoever lets him or herself be pounded on with a pile of "holy" words.
The honourable Qur'an on the other hand, comes complete, with all the context we need. Some people say that hadith adds context. No. We do not need a context which is not our context, and context, exact, complete, accurate context can never be reproduced. Therefore, the honourable Qur'an does not give context which may serve only to confuse, but gives just what may feed our understanding and souls.
Salaam
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For the sake of accuracy, I am a sister.
As to reference to hadiths, I am sorry, I am a lousy documenter. I read, I take the gist of it and never care to note down where or what. But I can assure you they exist. May be you can do a search for music, allowed, forbidden... Well I am sure you will be able to manage it, though it may take time.
In fact, one thing about hadith is that on any question you may find one thing and the opposite recommended, ordered, forbidden, etc.
Which even if we think they are authentic, which we will never be able to ascertain, it is logical. Things which are not decisive usually depend a lot on situation, circumstances, persons' condition, etc. ... so why should anything at all always be the same?
The trap of hadith is that anybody can pick whatever he or she likes and pound it on whoever lets him or herself be pounded on with a pile of "holy" words.
The honourable Qur'an on the other hand, comes complete, with all the context we need. Some people say that hadith adds context. No. We do not need a context which is not our context, and context, exact, complete, accurate context can never be reproduced. Therefore, the honourable Qur'an does not give context which may serve only to confuse, but gives just what may feed our understanding and souls.
Salaam
thanks for the reply. I do however insist on studying the haddiths either person accept it or not it would be good to have more knowledge.
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Well, it depends on what you intend to do with the hadiz. If it is your purpose to derive permissions or obligations, then you may have to study a lot, but if one does not want that, but get spiritual or common sense knowledge, then, as far as I am concerned, one does not have to labour like a slave to classify hadizths which are manifest nonsense or irrelevant or outright inmoral or defaming for the Prophet.
I I think there are selections of hadiths where you get good ones by content. As far as I am concerned, that is what should be done. Selection of the ones that offer honest food for thought or reflection. I cannot see the use of dumping a whole lot of irrelevant gossip, or ridiculous recounts.
Absolute certainte I do not think that we will get from any of them that it is stright from the Prophet's mouth. So the content is the relevant element of it. If it serves, well and good, if it does not or diserves, why bother.
Salaam
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Well, it depends on what you intend to do with the hadiz. If it is your purpose to derive permissions or obligations, then you may have to study a lot, but if one does not want that, but get spiritual or common sense knowledge, then, as far as I am concerned, one does not have to labour like a slave to classify hadizths which are manifest nonsense or irrelevant or outright inmoral or defaming for the Prophet.
I I think there are selections of hadiths where you get good ones by content. As far as I am concerned, that is what should be done. Selection of the ones that offer honest food for thought or reflection. I cannot see the use of dumping a whole lot of irrelevant gossip, or ridiculous recounts.
Absolute certainte I do not think that we will get from any of them that it is stright from the Prophet's mouth. So the content is the relevant element of it. If it serves, well and good, if it does not or diserves, why bother.
Salaam
thanks for your reply still it would be good to further our understanding
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YUHBAROON , comes from the word HABARA , in arabic, HABARA means high style music and words, HABARA is the origin of the modern word Operah , HABARA = Operah , Music is promoted by the quran, good music of course
but the meaning of the word "YUHBAROON" itself is delight no? I'm a bit cautious about deriving meaning of the words. I don't think this is convincing enough but, sometimes I think of music as pleasant sounds.. could it actually be Haraam? Allah knows best.
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How can it be haram when the Qur'an does not say at all such a thing? That would mean that anybody can make anything haram whenever that suits him. But then it would be his haram's, not God's haram. And who cares at what anybody might haram of his own or not? Would you like having some harams of mine?
Salam
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How can it be haram when the Qur'an does not say at all such a thing? That would mean that anybody can make anything haram whenever that suits him. But then it would be his haram's, not God's haram. And who cares at what anybody might haram of his own or not? Would you like having some harams of mine?
Salam
if one were to take the collection of haddith into account then according to my understanding(which I'm afraid to say) it is. (Allah warned us about labeling things as haraam when it is halaal I am merely saying what I've read) ok this thread has come to it's end I'll close it later.
thanks to all the people that answered.Peace.
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if one were to take the collection of haddith into account then according to my understanding(which I'm afraid to say) it is. (Allah warned us about labeling things as haraam when it is halaal I am merely saying what I've read) ok this thread has come to it's end I'll close it later.
thanks to all the people that answered.Peace.
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With due respect to friends of FreeMinds -
Allow me to inquire as to WHO it was - First of All - that, & WHEN & WHERE- as far as is possible to 'evidentially' trace - that 'laid down' that the "Koran" specifically prohibits the following
EITHER during organized prayer
OR during any time whatsoever- singing
- instrumental music
- singing accompanied by instrumental music
With the basis behind such 'prohibition' being known, the issue could well be commented upon further