rabbiibni? (66:11)

Idris

peace,

And The God cites as an example of those who believed the wife of Pharaoh. She said ?My Lord, ibni a house for me near You in the garden, and save me from Pharaoh and his works; and save me from the transgressing people.? (6611)

Jesus is constantly called the ibni of Mary, anybody that knows Arabic knows ibni means son, for some reason every translator translates it as build

check the usage of its root in the reading (quran) here http//www.openburhan.com/pages/obbf62.html

and the usage of the word in the reading (quran) here
http//www.openburhan.com/pages/ob1764.html

how can God son a house for somebody, not only does it not make sense using any noun in that place of the verse but God begets not nor is He begotten and has no son out of weakness

what the heck is up with this verse, has the understanding of the word ibni in the arabic language been wrong for so long? how come its used as a verb in this verse when its a noun?

any thoughts, i'm confused at the moment

TAJ

Salaam Idris,

Ibne or Ibni, is an Arabic verb in the order form. It means build.
This verb appears in two Ayat and .
The root is Baa-Noon-Yaa. Ibne is of course one derivative of many.

Now, Ibne or Ibni can also be a noun which means a son.
The root for it is Baa-Noon-Waw.

Taj

mquran

Salaamun alaikum Idris and Taj,

Taj, you're right but having said that , Dr Shahroor reads 'albaneen' in 3/14 as 'buildings' instead of 'sons'. To me, when the third radical is a 'weak' letter; wau , ya or alif, it's a whole different ball game. Salla is another word like that.

TAJ

Salaam mquran,

Taj, you're right but having said that , Dr Shahroor reads 'albaneen' in 3/14 as 'buildings' instead of 'sons'.
Dr.Sharoor is a special case altogether! He reads the words of the Quran in a way that is so unusual. He, for example, considers the word "Khail" in which means "horses", he takes it as "imagination"! The letters are the same, true, but "imagination" is way to far, but that is Dr.Sharoor!
In the example you gave, I have never heard or read before this moment that the word "Baneen" in is considered" Buildings" except now from you saying that Dr.Sharoor says so! No Arab would use it as building, no one except Dr.Sharoor!

To me, when the third radical is a 'weak' letter; wau , ya or alif, it's a whole different ball game.

The last letter in the ill-ended verbs are always turned to either a Waw or a Yaa in the root. You would never find an Alif in the end of a root, because the root of the letter Alif itself is either Waw or Yaa.

Salla is another word like that.

Salla is not a root.

Taj

mquran

Salaamun alaikum Taj,

Many thanks for your response. I am not equipped to verify Dr Shahroor's viewpoints, although I must say either interpretation works for me with respect to baneen. About 'khayl', coicidentally, in Malay ( a language partially derived from Arabic), the word for daydreaming/imagining is 'khayal'. I will keep improving on my Arabic though.

thanks and peace.

TAJ

Salaam mquran,

You are mostly welcome!
And you are absolutely right about the word "Khayal". It does mean "imagination". But "Khail" or as you write it "Khayl" is not "Khayal"!
I remember that the show host, on Orbit channel two, who was interviewing him, was very surprised over that analysis. And not just over that but also over almost everything that Dr. Sharoor had to say!

Taj