Knocking on the doors of atheism
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Thank you for this important reminder!
I agree with you dear brother handshakeMuslims must learn to pay attention to what God is telling us.
Being a kuffar is their problem not ours!I thought the Koran said it is not up to humans to judge others and call them names
"Then it will be for (only) Us to call them to account." 8826
"I am not something unprecedented among the messengers, and I do not know what will be done to me or to you. I do not follow anything but what is revealed to me, and I am only a clear warner." 469
"Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." 4028
"Lo! the harshest of all voices is the voice of the ass." 3119
?And do not insult one another and do not call each other by nicknames.? 4911Oh, I forgot about something
?Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is the most knowing of who is guided.? (Qur?an, 16125)
We also have the notion that da
wah is just specifically for non-Muslims or Muslims who have clearly steered far from the deen but that is not true. Dawah is for both the believer and non-believer.But then, what would I know about the Koran?
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Peace StopS.
I found what you said very interesting, I also read it in Qoran.
Let me quote you first
Show me how and show me evidence for it and I'll consider changing my belief that it happened by gravity and formation.
Show me how and show me evidence for it and I'll consider changing my belief that life started through abiogenesis, the process of which has not been proven.
Show me evidence for it and I'll consider changing my belief that heaven or hell exist.First let us ask the following key questions
Why do you think you die?
What will be your excuse when you face your creator?
If you think you are not accountable, What is the alternative?
Is everything that happens in this life a waste of time?
Now here is what I read in Qoran
1736 You shall not accept any information unless you verify it for yourself. We have given you the hearing, the eyesight and the brain, and you are responsible for using them.?
3827 We did not create the heavens and the earth and everything between them in vain. Such is the thinking of those who disbelieve.?
5232 Is it their dreams that dictate their behaviour, or are they naturally wicked??
Do you think about your actions/your way of life?
3953 Proclaim? O my servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of GOD s Mercy. For GOD forgives all sins. (providing you correct your ways/works before you die!) HE is Forgiver most Merciful.?
3954 You shall obey your Lord and submit to HIM totally, (believe and correct your bad ways, behaviour?) before the retribution overtakes you; Then you cannot be helped.?
( Or do you have an excuse?)
3956 Lest you may say? How sorry I am for disregarding GOD s commandments, I was certainly one of the Mockers.? ?
3957 Or say? Had GOD guided me, I would have been with the righteous.? ?
3958 Or say, when you see the retribution,? If I get another chance, I will ( submit) and work righteousness.?
3959 Yes indeed, ( you had your chance!)My proofs ( and message) came to you ( during this life) but you rejected them, turned arrogant and became a disbeliever.?
( You opted for freedom of choice in this life. God is letting you choose. The decision is yours!)
( Excuses will not be accepted!)
404 None argues against GOD s revelations except those who disbelieve. Do not be impressed by their apparent success.? ( This life is a test?)
405 Disbelieving before them ( this generation!) were the ( past generations) people of Noah and many other opponents after them. Every community persecuted their ( prophet or) messenger to neutralise him, and they argued with falsehood to defeat the truth. Consequently, I punished them; How terrible was my retribution.?
4010 Those who disbelieve will be told? GOD s abhorrence towards you is even worse than your own abhorrence towards yourselves. For you were invited to believe, but choose to disbelieve.? ?
4011 They will say? Our Lord, You have put us to death twice and gave us two lives; Now we have confessed our sins, ( evil ways/ works!) is there any way out?? ?
(Is there a day of Resurrection? Will you meet your Lord? If so , What excuse do you have?)
Peace.
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Peace StopS.
I found what you said very interesting, I also read it in Qoran. First let us ask the following key questions
Why do you think you die?
Excellent, I love your approach and your set of questions. Can you answer these for yourself too? Why do you die and your excuse etc?
I die because my cells don't reproduce properly.
What will be your excuse when you face your creator? - I don't need any.
If you think you are not accountable, What is the alternative? - Doesn't compute. I AM accountable. To society and to my peers.
Is everything that happens in this life a waste of time? - oh absolutely not. I will never have such a good time again.
Do you think about your actions/your way of life? - yes, of course, I would imagine everybody does.
Or do you have an excuse? - like I said, I don't need one.
You opted for freedom of choice in this life. God is letting you choose. The decision is yours! - Freedom is not an option for me.
Excuses will not be accepted! - I don't need any. This is the 3rd time you are asking the same question, I think.
Is there a day of Resurrection? - I don't think so.
Will you meet your Lord? - Is there something like "my Lord"? I see no evidence for the existence of one.
What excuse do you have? - 4th time I don't need an excuse. I have not killed or deliberately hurt or cheated anyone. I have supported and helped. Why should I require an excuse?
I have not been provided any evidence, why should I be punished for that?
Like I said
If a god is omniscient, he will know what evidence I require.
If a god is omnipotent, he can provide the evidence I require.
If a god is merciful, he will provide the evidence I require. -
Peace StopS.
Plain and simple. I die along with all humanity, because we are returning back to our creator for accountability.
Peace.
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Excellent, I love your approach and your set of questions. Can you answer these for yourself too? Why do you die and your excuse etc?
I die because my cells don't reproduce properly.
Are you sure you will die when your cells don't reproduce properly, or could it be that you cells are perfectly capable of reproducing, but you die because your time is up.
- oh absolutely not. I will never have such a good time again
How old are you?
I have not been provided any evidence, why should I be punished for that?
Like I saidIf a god is omniscient, he will know what evidence I require.
If a god is omnipotent, he can provide the evidence I require.
If a god is merciful, he will provide the evidence I require.At your service is shaytan, not God
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Peace StopS.
Plain and simple. I die along with all humanity, because we are returning back to our creator for accountability.
Peace.
OK, and then?
What will be your excuse when you face your creator?
If you think you are not accountable, What is the alternative?
Is everything that happens in this life a waste of time?
Do you think about your actions/your way of life?
Or do you have an excuse?
You opted for freedom of choice in this life. God is letting you choose. The decision is yours! Excuses will not be accepted!
Is there a day of Resurrection?
Will you meet your Lord?
If so , What excuse do you have?
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Peace StopS.
I am " dying" to know the answers.
Peace.
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Thank you for this important reminder!
I agree with you dear brother handshakeI don't think any creator would have a problem with people discussing different point of views.
By the way, the word Kafir fascinates me. It is a unique word. There is none like it in the world. It deserves a whole book. So many injustices and atrocities have been done just because of that one word.
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I don't think any creator would have a problem with people discussing different point of views.
By the way, the word Kafir fascinates me. It is a unique word. There is none like it in the world. It deserves a whole book. So many injustices and atrocities have been done just because of that one word.
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Can you tell a little more about why this word kafir fascinates you? -
Can I ask the people here a question?
Would you follow Islam (or any other faith) if 1. There is no heaven as a reward 2. There was no hell as a punishment?
YES, of course! For the mere love of God! yes
O God please increase my love for you despite reward of paradise or punishment of hell!
Let my love for You be the most important thing in my life forever!
My simple desire is to be the dust under His Feet! -
Can I ask the people here a question?
Would you follow Islam (or any other faith) if 1. There is no heaven as a reward 2. There was no hell as a punishment?
Yes as my belief in God's existence is not dependent on heaven and hell which I will elaborate on later. Afterlife is what I believe in. This life is what is real to me. The Koran basically is a good book of guidance in this life that I have come to appreciate. Speaking from personal experience.
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Can you tell a little more about why this word kafir fascinates you?It fascinates me because it is used to dismiss or put down non-believes, as our friend Godsubmitter here who told everyone not to bother with me because I am a Kafir and not worthy. It fascinates me because it has been used by Muslims to justify atrocities towards non-believers. But it really started to fascinate me after the Egyptian revolution, when Islamists began using it against anyone who disagrees with them or their policies. If you vote against them you are a Kafir, if you criticize their policies you are a kafir, if you disagree with their interpretation of Islam, you are a Kafir, if you are a Christian, you are a kafir. One of the saddest moments in my life was when I was attending a memorial for a Christian boy who was shot dead by the army, and a Salafist interrupted by saying that the boy is not a martyr/shahid because he is a Christian and Kafir.
Kafir kafir kafir. You cannot escape from that word in Egypt. It's on every TV channel, radio station and newspaper you read. For Muslims, the word has become like spit, they gather it up in their mouths, swirl it around their tongue and then spew it out at anyone they dislike. -
It fascinates me because it is used to dismiss or put down non-believes, as our friend Godsubmitter here who told everyone not to bother with me because I am a Kafir and not worthy.
It doesn't fascinate me. It sickens me.
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Excellent, I love your approach and your set of questions. Can you answer these for yourself too? Why do you die and your excuse etc?
I die because my cells don't reproduce properly.
.Hi StopS
You are not the type who shies away so why did you ignore my very vaild question?
Let me put it differently Does one die only when one's cells stop reproducing properly, or could it be that death can come at any time and for many reasons?
Add to that a further question You are having best time of your life but what about those who died before reaching same age as you and never got to enjoy their best time of life on this earth?
Do you ever give a second thought to them and to how they could be compensated?
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Can I ask the people here a question?
Would you follow Islam (or any other faith) if 1. There was no heaven as a reward 2. There was no hell as a punishment?
My reward lies in pleasing the one I love and my punishment is the feeling that I've upset the One I love. Does that make me a self centered person?
I would say yes as my self belongs to the One who fashioned me and made mankind the best of His creations, I strive to live up to that expectation. pr -
Are you sure you will die when your cells don't reproduce properly, or could it be that you cells are perfectly capable of reproducing, but you die because your time is up.
Why would I give something a spiritual mumbo-jumbo when nature is perfectly explained? The time is up is undefined, implausible, vague - and wrong.
"Aging at the molecular level is characterized by the progressive accumulation of molecular damage caused by environmental and metabolically generated free radicals, by spontaneous errors in biochemical reactions, and by nutritional components. Damages in the MRS and other pathways lead to age-related failure of MRS, molecular heterogeneity, cellular dysfunctioning, reduced stress tolerance, diseases and ultimate death."
http//www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17090411At your service is shaytan, not God
Do you have proof for this statement?
Are you suggesting I misunderstood the attributes of and for a god?
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I don't think any creator would have a problem with people discussing different point of views.
By the way, the word Kafir fascinates me. It is a unique word. There is none like it in the world. It deserves a whole book. So many injustices and atrocities have been done just because of that one word.
In South Africa it was a highly derogatory word stemming from the apartheid era, denoting a second class citizen with black skin.
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Hi StopS
You are not the type who shies away so why did you ignore my very vaild question?
Let me put it differently Does one die only when one's cells stop reproducing properly, or could it be that death can come at any time and for many reasons?
Add to that a further question You are having best time of your life but what about those who died before reaching same age as you and never got to enjoy their best time of life on this earth?
Do you ever give a second thought to them and to how they could be compensated?
Please don't ignore meThis was a wrong quote outline. good logic asked me a set of questions. I answered them and asked him whether he would answer the same questions. He did not and side-stepped the issue. So you are seeing the "out of context" question I asked.
I answered your question. Yes I do and I reckon most do have a good time. If a person does not it is a biological failing. In the belief of a theist it is probably due to his or her god having taken a decision to have that person suffer.
Compensated? For what? By whom? We are just naturally badly "designed" and have to accept that we are born to die and some organic matter survives longer, some shorter and some thrives and some withers.