Serious mistake in featured article: What is Salat?
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Therefore, be patient in the face of their utterances, and praise and glorify your Lord before sunrise and before sunset. And during the night glorify Him, as well as at both ends of the day, that you may be happy.
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Salaam Hawk99,
Just wanted to point out that
Before sunrise = after Salaat alFajr
Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaanMay Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Salaam Hawk99,
Just wanted to point out that
Before sunrise = after Salaat alFajr
Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaanMay Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanPeace mmkhan,
Much appreciated but what is "Before sunset = before Salaat al3shaan"?
O0
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Peace mmkhan,
Does "Glorify or praise your lord" just happen to coincide with normal times of salat?
O0
Salamun alaika,
Please "read" the Arabic text and merely recognize the individual words as to what they denote about plurality, you might conclude that it does not coincide with normal five times of salat.
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I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty. May He grant mercy for you while you waver in your doubt. Some of you will realize the importance of the precision of salat in the form it was revealed to the last messenger, and maybe stop taking it lightly. I fear for you, because Allah says in surah 94 woe unto those who take salat lightly. It's better not to do salat at all than to play with it.
Now that I have warned you, as I must, I want to point out one small anomaly in the salat that I do believe is a human innovation. It must be a test from Allah to see who is really following the Qur'an.
The silent rakaa.
(17.110) Say Appeal to God, or appeal to the Mercy-giving whichever you may invoke, He still has the finest names. Do not shout in your prayer nor say it under your breath; seek a course in between.
Please notice here the word used is salat!
Allah Most High is ordering his slaves never to do this. So I recite alfatiha out loud in every rakaa, while the sunni people recite silently dhuhr, asr, and the 1 or 2 rakaa after the break. I understand greeting the masjid sometimes requires people to do salat quietly so as not to disturb others, but I still try to find a place by myself where I can voice it.
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I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty. May He grant mercy for you while you waver in your doubt. Some of you will realize the importance of the precision of salat in the form it was revealed to the last messenger, and maybe stop taking it lightly. I fear for you, because Allah says in surah 94 woe unto those who take salat lightly. It's better not to do salat at all than to play with it.
Now that I have warned you, as I must, I want to point out one small anomaly in the salat that I do believe is a human innovation. It must be a test from Allah to see who is really following the Qur'an.
The silent rakaa.
(17.110) Say Appeal to God, or appeal to the Mercy-giving whichever you may invoke, He still has the finest names. Do not shout in your prayer nor say it under your breath; seek a course in between.
Please notice here the word used is salat!
Allah Most High is ordering his slaves never to do this. So I recite alfatiha out loud in every rakaa, while the sunni people recite silently dhuhr, asr, and the 1 or 2 rakaa after the break. I understand greeting the masjid sometimes requires people to do salat quietly so as not to disturb others, but I still try to find a place by myself where I can voice it.
Agreed
Peace a-sm,
The salat is five opportunities to praise and glorify our lord. Many make excuses to satisfy themselves
but God knows our intentions."Our Lord, make us submitters to You, and from our descendants let there be a community
of submitters to You. Teach us the rites of our religion, and redeem us. You are the Redeemer,
Most Merciful.The knolls of Safa and Marwah are among the rites decreed by GOD. Anyone who observes
Hajj or 'Umrah commits no error by traversing the distance between them. If one volunteers more
righteous works, then GOD is Appreciative, Omniscient.ONE GOD
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I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty. May He grant mercy for you while you waver in your doubt. Some of you will realize the importance of the precision of salat in the form it was revealed to the last messenger, and maybe stop taking it lightly. I fear for you, because Allah says in surah 94 woe unto those who take salat lightly. It's better not to do salat at all than to play with it.
Now that I have warned you, as I must, I want to point out one small anomaly in the salat that I do believe is a human innovation. It must be a test from Allah to see who is really following the Qur'an.
The silent rakaa.
(17.110) Say Appeal to God, or appeal to the Mercy-giving whichever you may invoke, He still has the finest names. Do not shout in your prayer nor say it under your breath; seek a course in between.
Please notice here the word used is salat!
Allah Most High is ordering his slaves never to do this. So I recite alfatiha out loud in every rakaa, while the sunni people recite silently dhuhr, asr, and the 1 or 2 rakaa after the break. I understand greeting the masjid sometimes requires people to do salat quietly so as not to disturb others, but I still try to find a place by myself where I can voice it.
Of course @a-sm, Dr. Rashad Khalifa was among the first ones to draw attention to that fact that Fatiha should be SAID aloud, in a very low tone of voice, but saying it onto oneself, or inside/mute is wrong, since the Qur'an is quite clear about it...
Blessed be the One God
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Well now how do I know if this revelation means I need to pray 4 or 5?
I cannot deny the plural word Salawaat. Thanks for bringing that to light.And I dont believe in verses that use words like tasbeeh/praise/glorify to mean Salat. It seems as if i would be trying to fit a puzzle peice where it doesn't belong. However it makes me wonder if that verse 20130 sort of shows the Salat times in between the lines..
Sometimes i wonder also if the reason there are so many verses telling us to pray at what seems like different times, is that perhaps they are more like general guidelines to follow, or symbolic of being in Salaat as much as possible all the time, because Allah is worthy of more than anything we could offer.
Just like the verses about praising and glorifying. The first meaning i derive from them is that we should be in that state constantly. And not necessarily specific start/end times.Like the times are selectable or giving permission to pray at certain times. I'd have to confirm if the Salat verses start with an 'order verb' (arabic grammar ر or if it is less of a direct command but more of a guideline/suggestion.
Allah knows best. Istaghfur Allah if im wrong.
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Featured article states
Arabic original text is this
is the definite PLURAL noun. Plural Noun in Arabic quantitatively denotes three and more. It does not denote two.
Number of Time Bound Formal demonstration of Servitude and allegiance.
Salaamun alayka,
RED 3 or more per day or per week or per year or in ones life or 1 minute or some other timespan maybe?
Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam
Before switching to "other books" to see how and when to do the 5 prosternation toward the cubic stone
to this
I believe the burden of proof is still upon those who reject the five salat. I have never seen anybody offer a convincing argument that proves the salat was modified after the Prophet and his companions died. How the witness of so many thousands of people could be covered up is absurd to even consider, when even the most deviant Islamic sects all pray five times. Some people in this forum have surpassed the shia in rebellion and ignorance to the order of Allah Almighty.
I have this
3121 And if they are told ?Follow that which God has sent down.? They say ?No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing.? What if the devil had been leading them to the agony of Hell?to this "traduction" and who see there number 5
20130 So be patient to what they are saying and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and at the approach of the night - you shall glorify - at the parts of the day, perhaps you may be content.i have this
11114 And hold the SALAT at two points of the day, and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.now i have questions to "fiver's"
2458 O you who believe, let those among you who are maintained by your oaths, and those who have not attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn SALAWAT , and when you put off your garments from the noon time, and after the evening SALAWAT. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.the first problem is How many Salawat at fejr and at evening (please note that in some arabic versions, there is SALAT and not Salawat in 24-58 ???).
Why our teacher is linking private times and clothing and SALAT ? Why insisting on number 3 ? What happen if we change clothes more than 3 times a day ? Why 4th and 5th salat are not included ?
Why 3? why 3 and only 3 ?
Peace -
Salaam
Before switching to "other books" to see how and when to do the 5 prosternation toward the cubic stone
to this
I have this
3121 And if they are told Follow that which God has sent down. They say No, we will follow what we found our fathers doing. What if the devil had been leading them to the agony of Hell?to this "traduction" and who see there number 5
20130 So be patient to what they are saying and glorify the grace of your Lord before the rising of the sun, and before its setting, and at the approach of the night - you shall glorify - at the parts of the day, perhaps you may be content.i have this
11114 And hold the SALAT at two points of the day, and the near part of the night. The good deeds take away the bad. This is a reminder to those who remember.now i have questions to "fiver's"
2458 O you who believe, let those among you who are maintained by your oaths, and those who have not attained puberty, request your permission regarding three times before the dawn SALAWAT , and when you put off your garments from the noon time, and after the evening SALAWAT. These are three private times for you. Other than these times, it is not wrong for you or them to intermingle with one another. God thus clarifies the revelations for you. And God is Knowledgeable, Wise.the first problem is How many Salawat at fejr and at evening (please note that in some arabic versions, there is SALAT and not Salawat in 24-58 ???).
Why our teacher is linking private times and clothing and SALAT ? Why insisting on number 3 ? What happen if we change clothes more than 3 times a day ? Why 4th and 5th salat are not included ?
Why 3? why 3 and only 3 ?
PeaceExcuse my modest arabic, but I believe Salawat in 2458 is pronounced Salat, because the 'waw' letter has a small 'alif' on top, therefore it acts as an alif. Plus the 'T' at the end of SalawaT is not Ta, but Ta marbuta, which is used at the end of a singular feminine word.
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Peace Pixel.
Excuse my modest arabic, but I believe Salawat in 2458 is pronounced Salat, because the 'waw' letter has a small 'alif' on top, therefore it acts as an alif. Plus the 'T' at the end of SalawaT is not Ta, but Ta marbuta, which is used at the end of a singular feminine word.
Diacritical signs, such as your small "alif", are later insertions and are never to be found in the early manuscripts. Hence we should not base our arguments on those signs.
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Peace Pixel.
Diacritical signs, such as your small "alif", are later insertions and are never to be found in the early manuscripts. Hence we should not base our arguments on those signs.
I considered that but then if we still find a Ta-Marbuta instead of at the end of the word in the early manuscripts, then we would still have a problem understanding it as plural.
Personally I don't know what to think about whether the earlier manuscripts have been tampered with by the later addition of diacritical signs, but I thought Muslims are supposed to believe Allah preserved the Quran. And that He collected it and organized it accordingly. Why would Allah let man even slightly Corrupt/change any of it?
Please excuse any ignorance or misinformation on my part.
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Peace Pixel.
I considered that but then if we still find a Ta-Marbuta instead of at the end of the word in the early manuscripts, then we would still have a problem understanding it as plural.
Yes, you are right )
I thought Muslims are supposed to believe Allah preserved the Quran. hy would Allah let man even slightly Corrupt/change any of it?
The diacritical signs are essentially an exegesis of the great reading representing how the exegete understands the message. God did also allow ahadith to come up, as well as the tafsirs of the scholars. Nevertheless the pure relevation is still visible and preserved.