Evolution or Intelligent design ?
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Peace,
Why do you constantly do this? Why don't you ask?
There is something called Google on your computer somewhere. Look for it and use it, as it saves you constantly being embarrassed by posting unresearched opinions of yours, which are mindless.Wrong again! You my friend are a liar, on that same google page you find the truth
but you choose to ignore it. I want an opology or I will put you in a cyber-headlock! )The research was done by Dr. C.
Please watch video even tho you would never admit that you are wrong.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx3yNjd7jE0
Saltwater Stratification
We can even make layers out of salty water and freshwater! Salty water is more dense than fresh water because it has bits of salt in it.If we take some salt water and colour it blue with food colouring, and also some non-coloured freshwater, we can combine them to make layers.
We have to be very careful not to let the layers mix! Put the freshwater in a clear thin glass container (a test tube is ideal). Take a drinking straw and suck up the salt water so the straw is filled. cover the straw top with your thumb so no water escapes. Push the straw to the bottom of the test tube and then take your thumb off. You may want to carefully slowly and gently do this a few more times.
Earth Sciences
Is salt water heavier than fresh water?
Answer Yes, it is the reason is the salinity in the salt water makes it heavier. It makes it so heavy that it sinks and the fresh water gets pushed to the top.
Peace
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Wrong again! You my friend are a liar, on that same google page you find the truth but you choose to ignore it. I want an opology or I will put you in a cyber-headlock! )
Why do you constantly do this? Why don't you ask?
There is something called Google on your computer somewhere. Look for it and use it, as it saves you constantly being embarrassed by posting unresearched opinions of yours, which are mindless.I also suggest that on top of using Google you calm down. It is not your fault because you are not a scientist. You are not used to accurate and precise wording. But if you want to discuss science and not religion, you need to adapt to the rules in science. In science there is no faith and no vague or ambiguous wording. You define what you are doing and lay out any assumptions or limitations. And if someone shows you an error you thank them and don't curse them.
Now instead of calling me ugly names (And do not insult one another and do not call each other by nicknames. 4911) you should ask. Why am I saying that barriers don't exist or what makes some phenomena look as though there are barriers?
The video clearly defines in the beginning that he is looking at saturated water and even explains what that is. Then he shows what happens when you mix fully saturated water with slightly salted water and we see the difference in density as a boundary layer develops. When he adds the fresh (unsalted) water he is unable to keep them separated as they mix so easily. You can easily check the very basic chemistry behind it and research this yourself. Just look for NaCl and H2O and you are on your way.
What I suggest you do is try and mix fresh, pure water (distilled water) with slightly salty water at home yourself and try to keep them separate. And THEN you may insult me.
FYI I have tried ithttp//www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzmKv1xx_og
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFy-QAVbbhALet me make this very clear so you can understand it it is theoretically possible under very specific circumstances to keep fresh water and salty water from mixing. But this almost never happens as the circumstances are so rare. The Koran does not mention these rare circumstances. The Koran makes a very general statement. I did not write it so there is no need to insult me for asking whether I have misconceptions or need to re-evaluate my understanding of a specific sentence. I am asking for the change of my understanding, not of reality.
There is something called Google on your computer somewhere. Look for it and use it, as it saves you constantly being embarrassed by posting unresearched opinions of yours, which are mindless. Do you get it now?
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Your desire is to be correct no matter the truth. Your hatred for God and the believers is evident, you are "blinded" by your rage and severe denial. This is high school science. Calm down and read.
Saltwater Stratification
We can even make layers out of salty water and freshwater! Salty water is more dense than fresh water because it has bits of salt in it.If we take some salt water and colour it blue with food colouring, and also some non-coloured freshwater, we can combine them to make layers.
We have to be very careful not to let the layers mix! Put the freshwater in a clear thin glass container (a test tube is ideal). Take a drinking straw and suck up the salt water so the straw is filled. cover the straw top with your thumb so no water escapes. Push the straw to the bottom of the test tube and then take your thumb off. You may want to carefully slowly and gently do this a few more times.
Earth Sciences
Is salt water heavier than fresh water?
Answer Yes, it is the reason is the salinity in the salt water makes it heavier. It makes it so heavy that it sinks and the fresh water gets pushed to the top.
He is the One who merges the two seas; one is fresh and palatable, while the other is salty and undrinkable. And He separated them with a formidable, inviolable barrier.
Peace O0
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How about a sip of life?
There is something called Google on your computer somewhere. Look for it and use it, as it saves you constantly being embarrassed by posting unresearched opinions of yours, which are mindless.
I ignored the last time you made the same comment, but you don't want to learn, do you? Where in this video is there anything about life made by water or life made from water? Where in biology does it say anything about life being made from water? Where in biochemistry does anyone mention anything about life being made from water? Is life made from water? No!
Use scientific literature and not YouTube, please, when it comes to science. Yes, there are great scientists on YouTube - but you first need to understand what they are on about.
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Your desire is to be correct no matter the truth. Your hatred for God and the believers is evident, you are "blinded" by your rage and severe denial. This is high school science. Calm down and read.
Saltwater Stratification
We can even make layers out of salty water and freshwater! Salty water is more dense than fresh water because it has bits of salt in it.If we take some salt water and colour it blue with food colouring, and also some non-coloured freshwater, we can combine them to make layers.
We have to be very careful not to let the layers mix! Put the freshwater in a clear thin glass container (a test tube is ideal). Take a drinking straw and suck up the salt water so the straw is filled. cover the straw top with your thumb so no water escapes. Push the straw to the bottom of the test tube and then take your thumb off. You may want to carefully slowly and gently do this a few more times.
Earth Sciences
Is salt water heavier than fresh water?
Answer Yes, it is the reason is the salinity in the salt water makes it heavier. It makes it so heavy that it sinks and the fresh water gets pushed to the top.
He is the One who merges the two seas; one is fresh and palatable, while the other is salty and undrinkable. And He separated them with a formidable, inviolable barrier.
Please stop being childish. Yes, the truth is important for me. If the same does not apply to you then that is your problem.
If you want to close your eyes to reality that is your problem. But don't expect others to do the same and apply wishful thinking in the real world. -
Your hatred for God and the believers is evident, you are "blinded" by your rage and severe denial.
How many times do I need to explain the same basic stuff to you? Why don't you learn? Why do you simply stick to your ignorance instead or asking yourself whether there just might be a grain of truth in what others are telling you?
You CANNOT it is impossible futile a logical fallacy ridiculous stupid nonsensical idiotic moronic ignorant to accuse a person of hating something for which there is no evidence of its existence. Now read this sentence 100 times. What does it take for you to grasp this basic piece of information.
And now you are seriously insulting me by lying. You are a liar if you assert that I hate Muslims! There is no proof for this at all. And yes, now I am angry. And I hate the stupidity that speaks here, only because you want the Koran to be right the way YOU decide. Well, it is not!
I have added you as "ignore" and am no longer interested in your opinion.
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Peace StopS.
Here are your four points
- Women are the default and men are generated from the female form. 41, 7189
- Mountains are not pegs and don't stabilise anything. 1615, 786-7
- There are no barriers between seas or salt and sweet water. 5519-20, 2553
- Thunder requires lightning. 1313
- Birds use Bernoulli and don't require super-natural help. 1679
1- What is default? God simply said He created the first being ,then made its "mate" from it to reproduce humans. You need male and female for reproduction?
2-Go and ask the Geologists ? Simply you saying so has become fact? You are doing exactly what you have accused others of doing! You are not checking your facts! Which Google are you using?
3- Again you are saying no! Some Scientists are saying yes? I personally believe God and He says there is!
4-The thunder praises His glory, and so do the angels, out of reverence for Him. He sends the lightning bolts, which strike in accordance with His will. Yet, they argue about God, though His power is awesome.
Where in the verse which I stated does it say thunder does not require lightning? You are imagining it says it!
You are making up your own Qoran as you are going along?
Peace.
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stop s
You Have found out that you are wrong and cannot handle it.
I caught you in a lie, exposing you for what you are and that is a kuffar!
The Quran is absolutely true and you are absolutely false.
Typical stop s ranting like a 3 yr old, wrong as two left shoes
and crying the blues.O0
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1- What is default? God simply said He created the first being ,then made its "mate" from it to reproduce humans. You need male and female for reproduction?
In biology the female body is default. Only if something happens will the male be formed out of the female default body.
"He created the first being" Was the "first being" male or female? Was the mate male or female?
No, you don't need male and female necessarily. Humans only require male and female chromosomes.2-Go and ask the Geologists ? Simply you saying so has become fact? You are doing exactly what you have accused others of doing! You are not checking your facts! Which Google are you using?
I have asked geologists. Actually, YOU are the one claiming the Koran is correct, so YOU should prove this. If you say that "True reality is as described in Qoran" you should be able to prove it.
Can you prove that I have not checked my facts? Why do you automatically assume that I am not a geologist? Why do you accuse me of not checking my facts without first checking? Yeah, it's not easy.
I don't use Google.
But relax, I will give you a quick run-down why mountains are not pegs
There are several kinds of mountains
Dome Mountains are formed when melted rock pushes its way up under earth.
Fault Block Mountains are formed when faults or cracks in the earth's crust force some materials or blocks of rock up and others down.
Fold Mountains are formed as layers of the earth react to forces pushing in on either side, much as a piece of paper folds when pushed together.
Volcanic Mountains are formed from by hardened lava after spurting out of a volcano.
Residual Mountains are mountains that are really plateaus that have worn down from erosion, so there is no single type of mountain and none with a function.The only mountain type with something called a "root" are the second ones. Isostacy causes mountains to shift up to maintain equilibrium between weight and buoyancy. Mountains always grow gradually over millions of years from the bottom to the top. No mountain thus looks like or a peg or has any function, least of all holding something together or stabilising anything, quite the contrary.
3- Again you are saying no! Some Scientists are saying yes? I personally believe God and He says there is!
Ah, that is different. Then you don't care for the truth or what reality is. You just close your eyes and ignore anything outside the book. OK, if that's what you want, fine. But then please don't make a claim that "True reality is as described in Qoran". Then that is not true at all. Then your reality and your perception is what guides you to an alternative level of reality, your personal reality, which is not shared by anyone but yourself. Is that logical on any level? Or is it based on blind faith?
4-The thunder praises His glory, and so do the angels, out of reverence for Him. He sends the lightning bolts, which strike in accordance with His will. Yet, they argue about God, though His power is awesome.
Where in the verse which I stated does it say thunder does not require lightning? You are imagining it says it!
Can you show me where the Koran says anything about "lightning bolts"? ALL translations I have checked agree this means "thunderbolts". If this is my imagination, then a lot of people have the same imagination. What is funny is that they all disagree with you.
Noun - thunderbolt, thunderclap
(21914) l-awiqi the thunderclaps
(25512) l-iqatu the thunderbolt
(415321) l-iqatu the thunderbolt
(1313 l-awiqa the thunderbolts
(41135) iqatan (of) a thunderbolt
(41137) iqati (the) thunderbolt
(41179) iqatu a thunderbolt
(51446) l-iqatu the thunderboltThe eighth word of verse (1313) is a feminine plural noun and is in the accusative case (ب. The noun's triliteral root is d ayn qf ( ق.
Chapter (13) srat l-rad (The Thunder)(1313
l-awiqa
the thunderboltsN ? accusative feminine plural noun Lightning
Verse (1313)The analysis above refers to the thirteenth verse of chapter 13 (srat l-rad)
Sahih International And the thunder exalts with praise of Him - and the angels from fear of Him - and He sends thunderbolts and strikes therewith whom He wills while they dispute about Allah ; and He is severe in assault.
You are making up your own Qoran as you are going along?
Peace.
And what happened to the poor birdies? Do they not see the birds controlled in the atmosphere of the sky? None holds them up except Allah.
Before you accuse me again of not doing what you are supposed to do, let me show why I believe what I believe
Birds fly by using air pressure?s pushing force to create wing lift. This is achieved by the physi-
cal law known as the Bernoulli Principle. Daniel Bernoulli, an 18th century mathematician,
discovered that as air speed increases, air pressure lowers. Bird wings are specially designed air
foils. The upper curvature of the wings makes air travel faster over its top surface. Following the
Bernoulli Principle, this reduces air pressure on top of the wing allowing the greater air pressure
from below to help push the bird up into flight. http//www.hawkquest.org/TA/XL/AirPress.pdfWe see that in my world, in my reality, it is Bernoulli's experiments and his subsequent conclusions which explain what holds up birds. And aeroplanes for that matter, as they use identical principles and physics.
If we go back to my original question which started this dialogue
So how do YOU reconcile the differences between the descriptions in the Koran and reality?
Is your answer you don't and ignore everything not specifically mentioned in the Koran?
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Peace StopS.
Quote; ALL translations I have checked agree this means "thunderbolts". If this is my imagination, then a lot of people have the same imagination. What is funny is that they all disagree with you.
Yes, I am afraid the lot of you are wrong. The translations you are using are leading you astray.May be that is one of the reasons you are misquoting Qoran? That explains to me partly why you do not believe.
I think if you ask the author of the Qoran with sincerity and honesty, you will find better translations. You may even , if He willed, start to become a " believer"?Oh, I did leave the birdies, like you said. Because I agree with Qoran. God "holds them up"!
Let me explain, after I quote
Bird wings are specially designed air
foils. The upper curvature of the wings makes air travel faster over its top surfaceWho designed them? Bernouli? Who created the "air pressure"? Bernouli?
You see it was God. Yes I repeat God. That is the one "who holds them" !
Peace.
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Peace StopS.
Quote; ALL translations I have checked agree this means "thunderbolts". If this is my imagination, then a lot of people have the same imagination. What is funny is that they all disagree with you.
Yes, I am afraid the lot of you are wrong. The translations you are using are leading you astray.May be that is one of the reasons you are misquoting Qoran? That explains to me partly why you do not believe.
I think if you ask the author of the Qoran with sincerity and honesty, you will find better translations. You may even , if He willed, start to become a " believer"?Oh, I did leave the birdies, like you said. Because I agree with Qoran. God "holds them up"!
Let me explain, after I quote
Bird wings are specially designed air foils. The upper curvature of the wings makes air travel faster over its top surface
Who designed them? Bernouli? Who created the "air pressure"? Bernouli?
You see it was God. Yes I repeat God. That is the one "who holds them" !
Peace.
OK, so you assign your own wishful thinking to the words. And that birds appear in all mythologies, cults, religions and civilisations is just coincidence. And if a bird falls out of the sky it was not a biological incident, but Allah wanted it that way. Yes, sure, I'm beginning to understand.
What about the rest? Mountains, barriers?
Does the Koran insinuate that the female was created first and the mate, the man, later? Was the "man", created from dust not actually Adam, but a synonym for mankind in general or woman? And the mate was also mankind again? -
Peace StopS.
I am happy for you. You said you are beginning to understand. I have hope for you, that one day ,you will become a believer. I hope this is not wishful thinking on my part.
Anyway, back to your questions
What about the rest? Mountains, barriers?Same as the " birdies", whatever God said about them remains true .
As for this
Does the Koran insinuate that the female was created first and the mate, the man, later? Was the "man", created from dust not actually Adam, but a synonym for mankind in general or woman? And the mate was also mankind again?Qoran does not say that. It s them " translations" you keep using/trusting. They are the cause of your misunderstanding.
StopS, try a " mind" detox. Cleanse your thoughts from all the misunderstanding of what you think is Qoran but is the opposite.
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...And that birds appear in all mythologies, cults, religions and civilisations is just coincidence.
I actually wanted to comment on this. Do you think it's coincidence that there are similarities between Islam and beliefs of other civilizations? Like with clay creation, but you never replied. I don't see how it disproves anything, rather shows many belief systems originate from one Source.
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Peace StopS.
I am happy for you. You said you are beginning to understand. I have hope for you, that one day ,you will become a believer. I hope this is not wishful thinking on my part.
Anyway, back to your questions
What about the rest? Mountains, barriers?Same as the " birdies", whatever God said about them remains true .
As for this
Does the Koran insinuate that the female was created first and the mate, the man, later? Was the "man", created from dust not actually Adam, but a synonym for mankind in general or woman? And the mate was also mankind again?Qoran does not say that. It s them " translations" you keep using/trusting. They are the cause of your misunderstanding.
StopS, try a " mind" detox. Cleanse your thoughts from all the misunderstanding of what you think is Qoran but is the opposite.
Peace.Let me bring it down to 2 questions to understand how you consolidate this. And I want to thank you for your patience and your willingness to be questioned about your beliefs - even - as you must notice they are somewhat alien to me.
- Are you able to demonstrate that mountains are pegs, placed on top of the crust and stabilising the area?
- What, in your opinion, was "created" first according to the Koran? A female or a male?
Thanks
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I actually wanted to comment on this. Do you think it's coincidence that there are similarities between Islam and beliefs of other civilizations? Like with clay creation, but you never replied. I don't see how it disproves anything, rather shows many belief systems originate from one Source.
If I missed a question, I sincerely apologise. I don't intentionally ignore questions, except if I have just answered them or they are really just taunts to get me emotional and angry.
All civilisations thought about their origins and the obvious lights in the skies. If I get thrown onto an island, have no education or information, I would probably also ask myself where I came from and where I am. I would start making assumptions and try to interpret reality around me. I would not know that thunder and lightning belong together or that sun and moon are celestial bodies with orbits and that the place where I am is totally insignificant, on the outskirts of the Universe.
So, yes, it is coincidence and yes, different belief systems had similarities and others had huge discrepancies. No, I don't see a common source. No, there are no similarities between Thor, Bacchus, Amor, Shiva and Ometecuhtli.
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Peace StopS.
1- I am not a geologist. I have read information and listened to a talk about mountains as " peg"/ "stabilisers" for earth. I will search and bring you that information later, in another post.
2- It does not matter, should it? God said He started the creation of " Human" from clay.
Peace.
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Peace StopS.
1- I am not a geologist. I have read information and listened to a talk about mountains as " peg"/ "stabilisers" for earth. I will search and bring you that information later, in another post.
2- It does not matter, should it? God said He started the creation of " Human" from clay.
Peace.
- ok, thanks. I appreciate it.
- Yes, it does matter. We have the man and the mate. You made the claim that all this is factually correct. I doubt this. I said that science and biology are very explicit and accurate on what form is created first. I challenged you to demonstrate that the Koran is equally precise in naming the female being created first and then the male. You can't suddenly declare it does not matter. As far as I know the Koran does not specify "human" as such. Also, there are 13 different materials mentioned in the Koran, all of which are used to create a human, not just clay, which is highly debatable in itself.
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Peace StopS.
Please explain the following
I said that science and biology are very explicit and accurate on what form is created first.
Peace.
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Peace StopS.
Please explain the following
I said that science and biology are very explicit and accurate on what form is created first.
Peace.
It means that I said something about what biology says.
What, in your opinion, was "created" first according to the Koran? A female or a male?