What's the difference between Quranist, God Alone and Quran Alone
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Peace drfazl,
Do you agree that we should only call ourselves muslims?
May Peace Be Upon You,
Quran is not meant for them who claim to be already 'muslims'; but Quran is meant for those who prayerfully look up to the Almighty Allah, the All-knowing to be guided in the straight path as Muslims.
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Peace guys,
If i may say something, i'd say that we do not have to use the arabic words "muslimeen" and "islaam" which are in the Quran and leaving them untranslated. This seems to cause confusion for everyone. I personally never use the arabic word because of the preconceptions from others. At the end of the day "muslim" = one who has submitted, "islaam" = peacemaking or obedience (whichever people seem to prefer but i tend to go with peacemaking). If someone asks me what i am, Muslim, Christian or Jew or whatever, my resposne will always be "I am a submitter to God alone, a strive to become a true believer in God alone". It makes sense to me. I'm tired (no offense to the arabic language of course) of seeing untranslated words abused like hell. Take "halal" for example... if you translate it, what those signs in the markets and butchers really read is "lawful food", which seems silly when you actually research on what food is lawful to us and the kind of excuses they conjure up as it being "halal". Same as "Muslim", or "Islam" etc. I tend to use the english translation of these words for the reason that the arabic words have unfortunately been put in bad light by the so-called "muslims" on this planet who fret about parading their falsehoods and deceptive lies for power and politics. Just my two cents on the matter.
Peace peace
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I've always just considered myself just 'muslim'. I'm aware of what it means, but for the purposes of practical discussion I've gotta call myself something.
I have qualms as to why I should assign a sub-label to myself like quranist/quran-aloner/etc though. It's other types of muslims who take on material outside the Quran as religious precedent and thus should go by a different label, not I.
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Peace guys,
If i may say something, i'd say that we do not have to use the arabic words "muslimeen" and "islaam" which are in the Quran and leaving them untranslated. This seems to cause confusion for everyone. I personally never use the arabic word because of the preconceptions from others. At the end of the day "muslim" = one who has submitted, "islaam" = peacemaking or obedience (whichever people seem to prefer but i tend to go with peacemaking). If someone asks me what i am, Muslim, Christian or Jew or whatever, my resposne will always be "I am a submitter to God alone, a strive to become a true believer in God alone". It makes sense to me. I'm tired (no offense to the arabic language of course) of seeing untranslated words abused like hell. Take "halal" for example... if you translate it, what those signs in the markets and butchers really read is "lawful food", which seems silly when you actually research on what food is lawful to us and the kind of excuses they conjure up as it being "halal". Same as "Muslim", or "Islam" etc. I tend to use the english translation of these words for the reason that the arabic words have unfortunately been put in bad light by the so-called "muslims" on this planet who fret about parading their falsehoods and deceptive lies for power and politics. Just my two cents on the matter.
Peace peacePoint taken,
Your decision to refer to yourself by the english translation " "I am a submitter to God alone"
could be construed by non-muslims as something other than muslim. What do you say when it
becomes evident to the non-muslim that you are in fact according to their understanding
muslim.May God guide us along the path
Peace
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I've always just considered myself just 'muslim'. I'm aware of what it means, but for the purposes of practical discussion I've gotta call myself something.
I have qualms as to why I should assign a sub-label to myself like quranist/quran-aloner/etc though. It's other types of muslims who take on material outside the Quran as religious precedent and thus should go by a different label, not I.
Agreed
Obviously you take a firm stand, by considering yourself muslim, on the other
hand, is the english word submitter offensive to you?Peace
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Quranist fall into four main categories.
Those who only follow the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the Islamic rituals
Those who follow the Quran and Islamic rituals and hadiths that does not contradict the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the previous scriptures.Most Quranist however overlap between them depending on the issue.
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Peace hawkninetynine,
If at that point someone who hasn't submitted themselves to God says to me oh so you're a muslim, I'd simply say muslim means a submitter to God alone and I am not part of any sect and follow the path of monotheism. If I get further questions then I'll expand on my beliefs carefully trying not to come across traditional at all.. I doubt I would anyway lol.
Peace peace
Point taken,
Your decision to refer to yourself by the english translation " "I am a submitter to God alone"
could be construed by non-muslims as something other than muslim. What do you say when it
becomes evident to the non-muslim that you are in fact according to their understanding
muslim.May God guide us along the path
Peace
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Peace hawkninetynine,
If at that point someone who hasn't submitted themselves to God says to me oh so you're a muslim, I'd simply say muslim means a submitter to God alone and I am not part of any sect and follow the path of monotheism. If I get further questions then I'll expand on my beliefs carefully trying not to come across traditional at all.. I doubt I would anyway lol.
Peace peaceConversing with christian recently, I stated I was muslim then expanded
on my beilefs in order to be understood properly, thereby letting him know we muslims are a diverse group and that there is a correct Islam and a false Islam. The gentleman became interested, gave me his e-mail address and wanted to know more. I will introduce him to
free-minds God willing. I did not explain "submitter" to him because at that moment
I felt that discussion would be better left for another time. I see no harm in translating
muslim into another language.Peace
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Quranist fall into four main categories.
Those who only follow the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the Islamic rituals
Those who follow the Quran and Islamic rituals and hadiths that does not contradict the Quran.
Those who follow the Quran and the previous scriptures.
Most Quranist however overlap between them depending on the issue.Peace Bigmo,
Why not accept the name muslim and reject all others?
God know best
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Salaam
liked this quoteWhy not accept the name muslim and reject all others?.. bravo
Allah made us all diferent and since you make Quran youre guide and no shirk youre a muslim--some tak eoled books..some jsut bealive in part but dont take it to explain Quran..Qran is the perfect combination of all past revelation.. IMOP..complete,simple,and a Light to Mankind
The "big problem " is that sunna xiaa whatever tend to see us as kafiers.. big mistake- reduce knwledge(ilm) to hadith..praise Muhamed above other prophets,send blessings to dead,etc..who are the muslims here? sectarian or Quran alone ? Anyone can say im Muslim..but are you really muslim or you have a special love for some prophet or add some arabic cultural or youre own culture to interpret Quran? ..sects like 19, or to think Quran was revealed in palestine like some people think is totaly sectarian.. Salaam Allah knows best
Submit to Allah divine comandments in Quran=Muslim..the rest let it with Allah peace sun pr
Peace and sorry any bad typing..bad english..i know
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Salaam
liked this quoteWhy not accept the name muslim and reject all others?.. bravo
Allah made us all diferent and since you make Quran youre guide and no shirk youre a muslim--some tak eoled books..some jsut bealive in part but dont take it to explain Quran..Qran is the perfect combination of all past revelation.. IMOP..complete,simple,and a Light to Mankind
The "big problem " is that sunna xiaa whatever tend to see us as kafiers.. big mistake- reduce knwledge(ilm) to hadith..praise Muhamed above other prophets,send blessings to dead,etc..who are the muslims here? sectarian or Quran alone ? Anyone can say im Muslim..but are you really muslim or you have a special love for some prophet or add some arabic cultural or youre own culture to interpret Quran? ..sects like 19, or to think Quran was revealed in palestine like some people think is totaly sectarian.. Salaam Allah knows best
Submit to Allah divine comandments in Quran=Muslim..the rest let it with Allah peace sun pr
Peace and sorry any bad typing..bad english..i know )Peace NOMAD,
As per my understanding we are muslims (submitters in english) according to Quran.
We as a group should decide who we are and finally be united, despite small
differences.And yeah your spelling needs work, but I understand you. )
And also I like your signature.
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Peace NOMAD,
As per my understanding we are muslims (submitters in english) according to Quran.
We as a group should decide who we are and finally be united, despite small
differences.And yeah your spelling needs work, but I understand you.
And also I like your signature.
group handshake to you and Nomad
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Peace Bigmo,
Why not accept the name muslim and reject all others?
God know best
How do you define what a Muslim is? From the Quran. We define a Muslim different than how other Muslims do. I guess its a way to seperate us from other Muslims but Quranist is the best label for us. Anyways you don't chose your label, its usually done by others to identify you. Labels are not based on ideology as much as identification. Most Sunni/Shia clerics despise us being called Quranist because it gives the impression that we are following the Quran and they are not.
Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
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SAlaam
IN MOP
Mumiin and muslim-- muslim is to be submited, but to be submited you need to bealive with ikhlass(sincerity), you can bealive Quran but not submmit, and you can submit to Allah and dont bealive Quran.. so make confusing now..lets take other exemple hudan or nasara..(comon translation cristian and jew) Hudan means orientation nasara comes from helpers.. so ibrahim was not only a helper nor only guided, but was muslim submited to Creator alone trough all his actions. the Relion of Allah consist in not associating partnership with them..so we we have ibrahim as pure monoteist and all otrher messengers follow this principle and theire coming was to , and simple to defende this monoteistic faith.
Conlusion to be muslim, you need to be mumin(bealive) have to help others(ansar) have to guide others(hudan) so you can become a submited=Muslim ...otherwise you are incomplete..now sheck all messengers narrations and you ll see..almost of them had knowledge,guide,help others, and submited to God alone.
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How do you define what a Muslim is? From the Quran. We define a Muslim different than how other Muslims do. I guess its a way to seperate us from other Muslims but Quranist is the best label for us. Anyways you don't chose your label, its usually done by others to identify you. Labels are not based on ideology as much as identification. Most Sunni/Shia clerics despise us being called Quranist because it gives the impression that we are following the Quran and they are not.
Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
Peace Bigmo
My understanding of muslim is one who has submitted. Do we desire separation by calling ourselves
by a title not in Quran (Quranist)?You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship.
(Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.Others identifying us by whatever title they choose is out of our control, we can only reinforce to them
what we call ourselves.The clerics being wroth with us may be a consequence of our journey that we must be willing to accept
regardless of the consequences as the truth must be our guide.It is my understanding the Abraham named us muslims (submitters).
You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion?the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
Bigmo said, Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
The question is muslim or mu'min or both?Peace
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Salam people, I haven't read the whole thread, just this page, and I want you all to consider the idea that we define the words Muslim and Momin before labeling etc. This is the reason I opened my thread, which for some reason is getting but no one is replying. I believe we first need to grasp the definitions of the words.
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Salam people, I haven't read the whole thread, just this page, and I want you all to consider the idea that we define the words Muslim and Momin before labeling etc. This is the reason I opened my thread, which for some reason is getting but no one is replying. I believe we first need to grasp the definitions of the words.
Peace Fallen Angel 21098,
The floor is yours, Give us your definitions if you will.