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Look, if I say something, I say it for a reason.
You initially said "What a lie. You have consistently taken al-amiyrs work out of context and presented it as what he said."
I have asked you to provide evidence. If you don't know or don't understand what I am talking about, why don't you simply ask me, what I am talking about?
al-amiyr says that "I will let all Muslims be warned about this guy and his little group calling themselves The Radical Atheists."
To which I replied "you start a flame war and attempt to incite hate towards all atheists, only because you can't handle my criticism."
This happened AFTER I asked you to provide evidence.
I am getting a bit sick of this nonsense. Is that how Muslims behave? Is that what I am learning about the followers of this god? Lies, deceit, hate, false accusations and personal attacks!
Is that what you guys here are presenting as the true Islam? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Just because I point out the flaws of someone else, I get attacked. Not because I am wrong, because I know I only pointed out real mistakes, no, only because I don't believe the same as what others here do.If people here want to follow nonsense and false assertions, fine, people here are adults and can make their own decisions. But all I have done is look objectively at what al-amiyr has posted. If there was just a methodology I read and tried it to see it there was some sense in it. And sometimes there was. But when someone posts absolute nonsense about scientific subjects and presents nonsensical and false stuff, why should I keep quiet? Why can't I point out the mistakes?
And yes, I agree, it has gotten out of hand, because al-amiyr couldn't handle constructive criticism and started his hypocritical attacks, always hiding behind others. And people fall for it. ok, so it seems an objective warning is not welcome, so I will not comment on what al-amiyr is doing any longer and if anyone believes what is false and nonsensical, so be it.
Why do you assume that I am a Moslem. I am more of an agnostic than anything else but willing to listen to anybody and that includes you.
You did not answer the question. Your reason above is flawed and does not make sense. You seem very rash and get quickly excited. Cool down brother. You also have some valuable contributions to make. Make them without starting wars. -
Let us instead continue our learning and follow @al-amiyr's posts!
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Let us instead continue our learning and follow @al-amiyr's posts! )
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welcome police group police A people who are free to speak and learn even if we have disagreements. But we have respect.
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as_salaamu "alaykum
This post was created to make some separation between the previous discussions and the subsequent discussions inshaa allaah.
I have just started working again on post 14. Keep yourself ready the following
1- a clean blank page
2- a sharpened pencil
3- a ruler indicating the numbersShukran
wa "alaykum-us-salaam
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as_salaamu "alaykum
This post was created to make some separation between the previous discussions and the subsequent discussions inshaa allaah.
I have just started working again on post 14. Keep yourself ready the following
1- a clean blank page
2- a sharpened pencil
3- a ruler indicating the numbersShukran
wa "alaykum-us-salaam
wa "alaykum-us-salaam brother al-amiyr
I?d like to share my experience with you and everyone. When I saw your post this afternoon it hit me straight away ?oh my God where will I get all this stuff?? My kids are grown up and no one uses pencil and sharpener anymore. As for clean blank paper I know it?s in the printer so I thought ?good its holidays my son is at home and I will ask him to take paper out of the printer for me, but the first thing is to sharpen the pencil I had somewhere lying around and get a ruler?. Thoughts going round in my mind ?will the corner shop have all this stuff but then I remembered I had my sons old geometry box and as I do not throw such things easily, I got that out of a drawer, and the well used old plastic ruler was there but to my disappointment the markings were rubbed off.
Ok next thought was to go to my neighbour who looks after her grand children; she will surely have this stuff so I get my pencil sharpened and borrowed a ruler, but as I was going I looked for more pencils, and there I found a small measuring tape I picked up from Ikea. Wow that was a relief, just incase!
So I took my pencil and went to my neighbour?s, but she was not at home. Coming back I realised that in fact I have everything I need. I can sharpen my pencil using a small kitchen knief like we did when we were kids, and I can use the Ikea tape with a transparent ruler at the top and then I thought I will not bother my son, so started looking for blank paper and there I found the classic writing pad I had bought years ago when applying for jobs. So I think I have all I needed to start next lesson Alhumdullilaah.
Then I looked at your post again and noticed how you started so I counted and am ready to gain knowledge insha?allaah
Oh Lord increase my knowledge.
Salaam
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wa "alaykum-us-salaam brother al-amiyr
I?d like to share my experience with you and everyone. When I saw your post this afternoon it hit me straight away ?oh my God where will I get all this stuff?? My kids are grown up and no one uses pencil and sharpener anymore. As for clean blank paper I know it?s in the printer so I thought ?good its holidays my son is at home and I will ask him to take paper out of the printer for me, but the first thing is to sharpen the pencil I had somewhere lying around and get a ruler?. Thoughts going round in my mind ?will the corner shop have all this stuff but then I remembered I had my sons old geometry box and as I do not throw such things easily, I got that out of a drawer, and the well used old plastic ruler was there but to my disappointment the markings were rubbed off.
Ok next thought was to go to my neighbour who looks after her grand children; she will surely have this stuff so I get my pencil sharpened and borrowed a ruler, but as I was going I looked for more pencils, and there I found a small measuring tape I picked up from Ikea. Wow that was a relief, just incase!
So I took my pencil and went to my neighbour?s, but she was not at home. Coming back I realised that in fact I have everything I need. I can sharpen my pencil using a small kitchen knief like we did when we were kids, and I can use the Ikea tape with a transparent ruler at the top and then I thought I will not bother my son, so started looking for blank paper and there I found the classic writing pad I had bought years ago when applying for jobs. So I think I have all I needed to start next lesson Alhumdullilaah.
Then I looked at your post again and noticed how you started so I counted and am ready to gain knowledge insha?allaah
Oh Lord increase my knowledge.
Salaam
as-salaamu 'alaykum sister farida
The sign of a true student. You are never going to enjoy the page, the pen, and the ruler as much as learning the book (al-kitaab) which dimensions contain the entire universe. Once you gain the knowledge yourself, then no one in the world can fool you. It is always the strategy of shayTaan to keep humanity away from the knowledge in order to keep them in the darkness. Here is a little inspiration from what ALLAAH has revealed in His last revealed Divine book called the Qur'aan or the Recitation/Reading.
I attach the little diagram.http//www.theholytablemountain.net/Q.thepen.png
wa "alaykum-us-salaam (Post 14 will be uploaded later inshaa allaah).
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as-salaamu 'alaykum
I am still busy working on post 14. There will be about 20 illustrations designed from scratch. It will sum up what we learned so far and take us to the point just before we will begin to understand The Qur'aan Mathematical Space Time Diagrams necessary to understand why everything is the way it is. Read over the previous posts as much as you can inshaa allaah.
wa "alaykum-us-salaam
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Salaam
I am just perplexed at the response of some people who call themselves followers of the Qur'an. They boast about not following conjecture, yet I see them making no effort to understand what brother al-amiyr is offering them, for which he is asking no reward from anyone not even thanks. But to belittle someone , who is trying to teach you in the name of Allaah, expecting you to learn is simply disgusting.
I am not a young person. I have seen a lot in my life and I have not come across anyone so willing to teach, and with such devotion, despite not knowing me personally or getting anything in return. If only there were more people like al-amiyr who were willing to serve ALLAAH we would not be so lost and deluded....
If you can't show any gratitute then at least do not say things that are hurtful and do not do justice to anyone reading your posts. Seeing what al-amiyr, despite all this, is delivering brings tears to my eyes If people, who claim to follow the Qur'an, behave like this then just imagine how people of the jahiliya must have mocked the prophet.Looking forward to next lesson Insha' Allaah.
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Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.
None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?
Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?
Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?
You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?
Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.
Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.
You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
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Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.
None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?
Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?
Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?
You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?
Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.
Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.
You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
Sorry that I have to come in here. Are you beginning to launch a campaign against al-amiyr? Why do you not let the man complete what he said he is doing. He has from the beginning said what he was doing. I am also here and am interested in his explanations. You say God guides. How do you know that God is not guiding him? Or are you getting guidance alone. Look how many people are reading his threads! It seems like this thread is going to be one of the fastest growing in this forum; a sure sign many are interested. And surely if al-amiyr don't deliver the goods, as he said he would, he will also go down as another charlatan. Is that not so?
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Peace Space Traveller.
You seem to think that because something is popular, it is good?
What difference does it make if this thread has more readers?
Sister justamuslim has every right to her point of view as you have to yours.
Remember what Qoran says about the majority!
As believers we have to check thoroughly and use Qoran as our guide.
Do you not think she has a point?
Peace.
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Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
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Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
Dear justamuslim
I have just left a reply, to your post, which I believe addressed all your concerns; http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604833.msg317475;topicseen#msg317475
I am watching "The Big Bang Theory" at the moment on E4 so I did not get to read this long post of yours, but noticed my name mentioned. Oh please! So many people are reading this post. Why do you want to portray me as the woman who flew ???!
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Prophet Muhammed and other messengers did not set out claiming to have a secret knowledge that they know that will change humanity, astonishing and guiding people from darkness to light. If I am wrong, let me know.
None of the messengers guided people delivering them from darkness with their own knowledge. Their sole function as messengers was to relay God's message. Knowledge was given to the messengers by God. People were guided and delivered by words of God. Humanity was changed not by messengers but by God. It is God who guides people. And people are guided by the words of God. It is God who "teaches" and the messengers relayed this teaching to people.
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
I don't agree or share the same views as many here but have learned much from others sharing their knowledge of the koran. BUT al-amyr is unlike other members on this forum. what we have is al-amyr claiming to have knowledge coming from prophet Muhammed which has been hidden or secretly passed on from generations to generations that will astonish, enlighten and change humanity. So al-amyrs agenda is to change and deliver people from darkness to light with his knowledge? Am I right?
Do other members on this forum fancy themselves as 'teachers' whose mission is to salvage humanity with this knowledge that only his family posses which has been passed down from prophet Muhammed?
Farida, al-amyr is not just "teaching" something that he discovered which he wants to share and others to give input on his discovery. He has made certain claims and his agenda is clear. you believe in his claims that prophet muhammed had this knowledge that he is now teaching you? Was this knowledge given to prophet Muhammed by God? If so, then prophet Muhammed kept it a secret? Ok if prophet Muhammed was not given this knowledge by God but he learned of this on his own then why did he not share this with humanity?
You mean to tell me that people had been living in the dark for all these years without this knowledge? And who are these scholars that al-Amyr claims in his line of transmission of this knowledge? Was it written down and passed down the generation? Or was it oral?
Listen farida, you have the free will to believe whatever it is that you want to believe in but when something is said about God and prophet Muhammed, I expect the person making such claims to provide evidence.
By the way, prophet Muhammed was a man who had the highest morals and trustworthy whose mission was to relay God's message. His obedience was to God and if there is any knowledge that God gave him, he parted that knowledge and wisdom as per the Koran. also, by the way the true servants of God tend to be humble, pious and sublime in their attitude, acknowledging their limitedness seeking forgiveness if they are wrong in their understanding and interpretations of the scripture. Unless i am missing something, i dont see that in reading al-amyrs postings. And also want to point out that prohet Muhammed did not interpret the Koran. It is God who explained things to prophet Muhammed.
Farida, as you have been staunchest supporter of al-Amyr believing his claims and having issues with those who question and have criticized him, I ask that you now provide the supporting evidence from the Koran of his claims that this knowledge that he is teaching you is coming from prophet Muhammed.
You are now responsible for what you support and what you are and want to be disseminated.
salaam 'alaykum
There is nothing sinister and nothing to fear. Are you asking that I must leave. Will you take the responsibility on the day of judgement if this knowledge is the truth. It is not a problem for me to leave. Do you think that I came to this forum with a hidden agenda as you basically implied in your other post in the other thread. I am just here because this was the next place I happen to arrive at when traveling the internet highways on my journey to destroy The Great Satan and all his fools.
Name me one thing that I have said that goes against the very book that ALLAAH revealed to the world through my family. We have served our Lord, ALLAAH and His Great Qur'aan more than any people in human history for 1400 years. Now you want to gang up the viewers against me for something you feel is against the truth. How do you know that you even have an understanding of this truth.
You claim ALLAAH guides you. Is this your imagination or is it a fact? Are you inventing falsehood against the lord of The Worlds, can you explain? You claim to get guidance, so can you present your guidance so that the world can benefit by that guidance.
Are you just mumbling? Why do you not show me one thing where I am wrong? I love knowledge and will always abide by it. Are you being inspired by others to write what you have written or is it your own initiative because of your own concerns? Let me know if you are truthful.
And another thing , I am not speaking matters here that cannot be examined. They are perfectly examinable and verifiable. I have a few more posts to go and then the knowledge will come in the site of understanding. It is as simple as that.salaam
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Peace Space Traveller.
You seem to think that because something is popular, it is good?
What difference does it make if this thread has more readers?
Sister justamuslim has every right to her point of view as you have to yours.
Remember what Qoran says about the majority!
As believers we have to check thoroughly and use Qoran as our guide.
Do you not think she has a point?
Peace.
Greetings Good Logic
You are right. I am only addressing her manner and not her views. I am also a reader of these threads and I have been reading many other threads on this forum. I am not a Muslim but I am inclined towards Islam. I have also read many of your threads and my mind is open to all. I will respond the same way if she said to you in a similar manner.
Thanks and Greetings
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Peace Space Traveller.
Thank you. Your point is noted.
God bless you.
Peace and friendship.
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Salaam al-amiyr,
I fully understand what you are saying but I fully do not agree with what you are saying.
It represents the infinite Mind of ALLAAH ? ELOHIYM ? GOD wherein dwells His rational thought or ruwh (Spirit) represented by r.
Do you have any idea what you are saying here? The L represents the infinite Mind of ALLAAH &
Salaam,
BenderSalaam Bender
Here is something worth reading for you;
GentlemenThe starting point of this discussion is my central thesis, which is
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DNA is not merely a molecule with a pattern; it is a code, a language, and an information storage mechanism.
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All codes are created by a conscious mind; there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.
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Therefore DNA was designed by a mind.
If you can provide an empirical example of a code or language that occurs naturally, you've toppled my proof. All you need is one.
Perry Marshall
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Let's review where we've been in this thread. I have said(1) The sequence of base pairs in DNA is a code.
Much effort has been made to discredit this statement, unsuccessfully. This statement is fully and explicitly supported in virtually all of the scientific literature since the 1960s.
(2) All codes that we know the origin of come from a mind.
Much effort has been expended to discredit this statement as well. Assertions have been attempted that gravity, snowflakes, magma flows and the like are codes. But none accurately conforms to Shannon's communication model. Most of the examples cited do not contain an encoding system, and none contain a decoding system.
(3) Therefore DNA came from a mind.
The objection to this statement has been that the conclusion is reached inductively. Complaints have been lodged that inductive reasoning is inherently unreliable. But we do observe that the laws of thermodynamics and in fact the majority of known scientific laws are determined inductively and not deductively. If you wish to throw out inductive reasoning, then we can discard almost all scientific knowledge and start all over again and use rocks and sticks to make fire.
Thus we have, right here on the Infidels discussion forum, after more than 300 posts, robust evidence that life was intelligently designed.
It is not possible for me to persuade people to believe in God if they do not want to; that is not my job. But one can hope that some will follow the evidence, wherever it leads.
Perry Marshall
http//www.vina.cc/news/index.php/General/DNA-proves-the-existence-of-God.html
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salaam
I have already said that this knowledge was handed down to me by my father from his father through 44 generations back to the prophet (S+). We are the historical Al-Qurashiy Al-Amjadiy family stem of the prophet, one son after the other, and all great scholars who gave guidance to most of the khaliyfs who ruled the Islaamic world. There is none in the world who have this knowledge but our family and we teach it to the people and then they realize who we are. It is coming to the public now for the first time in 1400 years. Just continue to follow and read and then you will see what will appear before your own eyes. It is as simple as that.
Thanks
al-amiyr.As you claim that this knowledge was handed down from the prophet, what evidence do you have to support your claim?
Let's start with you first. Why don't you tell us who you are? Your full name? where were you born and when? Your place of birth? What is your background? When did you start learning of this knowledge? Who taught you this knowledge? As you claim that you stem from the prophet, what proof do you have of your claims? Historical documents and accounts. Name all of persons of your lineage who had the knowledge and transmitted this knowledge.
You mention that this knowledge was transmitted from one son after the other. What son of the prophet was it first transmitted to and who did this son then transmit this knowledge to?
Was this knowledge written down or transmitted orally?
As you claim that this knowledge stems from the prophet Muhammed, how did he get this knowledge? On his own or from God? Are you saying that Muhammed kept this knowledge to his family only? Why? Who did prophet Muhammed share this knowledge with? Why did he not make it public if this knowledge carries such significance?
And who are the great scholars who you speak of that had this knowledge and gave guidance to the rulers of the Islamic world? Can you please name them?
You say that this knowledge was kept a secret in your family but in other place did you say that they were persecuted for it? You have opened so many threads that I just want to be sure that I am not missing what you are saying and understand you correctly. What you are saying is that for 1400 years your family kept this knowledge a secret and only now you are making it public? Why did they keep this knowledge a secret? How many individuals have known about this secret in the family through the generation?
You said that you have been in other forums teaching your knowledge. When did you decide to go public and why now when your family has kept it a secret for so many generations and for 1400 years? What lead you to share your knowledge to others now?
Given how this knowledge has been transmitted from generation to generation for 1400 years, the descendants of the prophet are large in number. So how many of the descendants of the prophet have this knowledge? What other family members besides you have this knowledge? Or are you the only one? Are other family members also disseminating this knowledge?
Given that this knowledge that you have will change humanity, why don't you publish it in a book or create a website disseminating your info to ALL of humanity instead of going from one website to others? Do you have a website or youtube link? Have you or your followers published this knowledge? Why not?
In order to verify your claims, I am sure you wouldn't have problems providing the answers to the questions that I ask which are simple and straight forward.
You said that this knowledge is not your own and comes from the prophet Muhammed. Prove your claims with evidence which should be simple enough.
@farida and all those in support of al-Amyr, i am asking you all for the same. Can you corroborate and provide me with evidence of al-amyrs claim that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed passed on from his son to the next down 44 generations?
I am sure you are all not blinding supporting his claims without verification and so I am asking for the verification that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed.
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I am sure you are all not blinding supporting his claims without verification and so I am asking for the verification that this knowledge is coming from prophet Muhammed.
Sister member justmuslim ;
Do you know what Muhammed (PBUH) was given ?