Do the FRUITS mentioned in the Quran GROW in Makkah or immediate regions?
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I've always thought that the fruits mentioned in the Quran are those that grow in the Mediterranean, such as Palestine.
By the Fig and the Olive And the Mount of Sinai and by this city of security 951/2/3
The Fig is not from Mecca, the Olive is not from Mecca, the Mount Sinai is not in Mecca, therefore the city of security is not Mecca but where the Fig is grown, where the Olive is grown and where Mount Sinai is located. The only city secured, blessed and sacred as per the Quran is Jordan where we can find Fig, Olive, Grapes, Pomegranates, crops of different varieties, and the location of Mount TUR.
My cousins have been taught in school that Mount of sinai is 'jabal sina' in Mecca S
What makes you say that Jordan is the correct location?
Isn't Mount Sinai the same as this place here http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_Mount_Sinai
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The Fig is not from Mecca, the Olive is not from Mecca, the Mount Sinai is not in Mecca, therefore the city of security is not Mecca but where the Fig is grown, where the Olive is grown and where Mount Sinai is located. The only city secured, blessed and sacred as per the Quran is Jordan where we can find Fig, Olive, Grapes, Pomegranates, crops of different varieties, and the location of Mount TUR.
Mount Sinai is now part af Egypt and in Sinai. Its the biblical Moses one
http//st-katherine.net/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=32Figs grow in abundance in Egypt, and pomegranates and grapes and olives and various other fruits. The Mount of Olives also spoken of IS Mount Tur though. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_of_Olives
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Mount Sinai is now part af Egypt and in Sinai. Its the biblical Moses one
http//st-katherine.net/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=32Figs grow in abundance in Egypt, and pomegranates and grapes and olives and various other fruits. The Mount of Olives also spoken of IS Mount Tur though. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_of_Olives
Thanks! handshake
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I think in a desert you always can grow whatever you like provided you have water and provided they correspod to the latitude. That is in fact the case of Egypt, a long oasis in upper Egypt and a wider and shorter one in Lowe Egypt. Mecca must be an oasis, otherwise you couldn't have people living there nor have dates either. And if there was waterm surely you could have pomegranate, grapes and any other plant that can grow at that latitude. Surely not in the same bulk as in Egypt, but seems unreal to me that the only plant that could grow in Mecca should be dates. People had orchards and gardens as far as I can grasp.
Salaam
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I think in a desert you always can grow whatever you like provided you have water and provided they correspod to the latitude. That is in fact the case of Egypt, a long oasis in upper Egypt and a wider and shorter one in Lowe Egypt. Mecca must be an oasis, otherwise you couldn't have people living there nor have dates either. And if there was waterm surely you could have pomegranate, grapes and any other plant that can grow at that latitude. Surely not in the same bulk as in Egypt, but seems unreal to me that the only plant that could grow in Mecca should be dates. People had orchards and gardens as far as I can grasp.
Salaam
Infact I have spoken about this issue with my uncle who worked for 7 years in KSA and he confirmed me that these fruits are grown in the neighboring regions of Makkah and have also seen them in Taif and Riyadh... he has seen vineyard and watermelon culture etc... He told me all these fruits are grown there.. and as you say... they are not grown in bulk but they do grow.
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Peace Ayisha,
Mount Sinai is now part af Egypt and in Sinai. Its the biblical Moses one
http//st-katherine.net/en/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=32Figs grow in abundance in Egypt, and pomegranates and grapes and olives and various other fruits. The Mount of Olives also spoken of IS Mount Tur though. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_of_Olives
Have you seen this website about the "discoveries" by the late Ron Wyatt? I think that if further research and explorations are done by the local authorities...instead they put up fences and soldiers to guard the mountain.
http//wyattmuseum.com/mount-sinai.htm
Peace peace
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The Fig is not from Mecca, the Olive is not from Mecca, the Mount Sinai is not in Mecca, therefore the city of security is not Mecca but where the Fig is grown, where the Olive is grown and where Mount Sinai is located. The only city secured, blessed and sacred as per the Quran is Jordan where we can find Fig, Olive, Grapes, Pomegranates, crops of different varieties, and the location of Mount TUR.
The oath has been taken of four things, Fig, Olive, the long stretching and parallel/rift rock of the Peninsula of Sinai, and "This City" whose qualitative description is also metntioned as having been made secure. All four are independent of each other.
Surat-95 At Teen
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Does it matter if tese fruits grow in mekkah or doesn't ? u really think that these people never went out of mekkah ? u never heard of the winter and the summer journey ? the tribe of Mekkah travels to syria to sale what they have and buy what they need and go back to mekkah ? it is true, mekkah was a nowhere tribe, north east of mount faran, east of mount arafat, beside the hills of safa and marwa , near the ancient country of sheeba , south of the ancient city of the jews YATHRIB wich became named medina by the prophet , wich means the city , they have one well wich was sacred to them whom they call zamzam , they're called koreish descendants of kaidar the second son of abraham, they been called sarazens in ancient arameic language , ducument still exist , go ask the vatican to show them to the world or do your research to find the truth, do you know where median is? neighboors of medina i believe, do u know where was the city of the jews in the past ? why do u think the tribe of mohamed and the city of medina was called sarasens? and why in greek and english and frensh changed the way they call them and started calling them mohamadens and few were honest and call them muslims? to the arabs or muslims historical names aren't important, to the jews it is very important i don't know why and to the christians also it is very important because we know why, it's the promise for the jews, through the son of sarah, to the christians it's the lamb that interest them, to the muslims it's allah and rightousness that interested them,
well ,
sarazens means descendants of sarah
Ishmael and abraham went to mekkah for they were commanded by allah, they took with them the maidservant until they settled than they went back and took sarah, ishmaels mother to settle with them over there, ishmael settled the kingdom in arabia and and 12 princess according to the torah, abrahem went back to canaan land with his new wife and kid named isaak, who was born in mekkah, little brother of ishmael, isaak settled in where it is now palestine, ,
well, u i can't finish the whole essai wich i read from oxford , after that , the scribes and priests had too much pride they had to distord history , hated ishmaelites as they call them but of you read between lines in the torah, u might grasb some truth of the story
the reason i wrote this , is because i noticed a lot of people getting the nostalgy of jerusalem as the land of our lord jesus christ and king david and all, why not mohamed was from jerusalem, it would have been nice LOL the truth is the truth no matter wgat we like or feel, the truth is ALLAHAllah said in the quran READ in the name of your lord who createth , so if u do in his name, meaning with sincerity and open mind and accepting the whole truth as it is, you be surprised how much u find,
i don't know why i wrote all of this lol PEACE -
The oath has been taken of four things, Fig, Olive, the long stretching and parallel/rift rock of the Peninsula of Sinai, and "This City" whose qualitative description is also metntioned as having been made secure. All four are independent of each other.
Surat-95 At TeenWith recent findings, shared by Brother Pazuzu on Asir/Yemen as the Blessed Land, where romans identify as "Arabian Felix" (Fortunate Arabia), all these fruits are proven to be CLOSELY CULTIVATED in same area surrounding "Tur" of Sineen trees. This signature fruits/trees (Fig, Olive & Sineen/Bramble) is "DNA" matching pattern of geographical location of "Al-Baladil Amin" as mentioned in Surat 95.
from SaudiAramcoworld.com
No careful measurements have ever been taken of the amount of rain that falls on 'Asir, but because agriculture there requires little or no irrigation it is assumed that most parts of the highlands get at least 12 inches a year. Farms in the region are commonly laid out in broad terraces, some 200 to 300 feet wide, astride the hilly contours of the land. Cereal crops?wheat, barley and millet?dominate commercial agricultural production. Fruits?apricots, figs, apples, pears, oranges and tangerines?are plentiful. Highland farmers also grow quince, plums, cherries, walnuts, olives, pomegranates and many kinds of grapes.
http//www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/196201/across.the.mountains.to.asir.htmRAIN AS "BUSHRA"
Another main evidence is abundant "RAIN" in Asir. Current Mecca are not use to receive 12 inch a year (7814) except that they are getting flash flood, drowning the black cube. For Meccan residents, heavy rain is just a "disaster" not "Bushra" (254. It seems that no apparent benefit can be derived from rain in Mecca, since this land is not an agricultural area.
RAIN was mentioned many times in the noble reading. Rain would enable all kind of fruits to be cultivated. See. 222, 699, 1432, 2760, 3110, 3527, 3921, 509, 7814. Rain is the most significant features of blessed land. Mecca doesn't fulfill the criteria of baladil amin in view of the above evidences.
But suprisingly ALL THE VERSES pertaining to rain except 222, are categorized as Surat "MAKKIYAH" by scholars. This is definitely a glaring contradiction.
MASJID DHIRAR & REVERED STONES
In June 2011, i managed to make trip to Mecca. Since then, I had concluded that "Masjidil Haram" are actually Masjid Dhirar (which i shouldn't stood in the 1st place) since it was established to misled people. I saw peoples are craving for stone rituals. Some of them are willing to fight to get closer to the adored stone. I was approached by a group of indonesian guys, ready to serve by "breaking" the commotion to get access to the stone, by forming human shield. (SR200 service fee and negotiable..)
While "stones from the heaven" are clearly an evil affairs mentioned many times in quran, these people does not take heed to the reminder. It seems that people "feel" closer (taqarrub) to Allah by circling, kissing and waving the stone (if you can't kiss you have to wave from the distance). STONE WAVING is the preferable act that most people would undertake since it is less riskier. But if there is no commotion (which is absurd!), most of them would prefer STONE KISSING.
MULTAZAM (PLACE OF CLINGING)
There is a special venue called "Multazam" (a place name which not authorize by Allah) where all prayers done here are being claimed to be accepted without condition. Multazam is actually a distance between blackstone and the cube door. In other words, you need to say you prayer closer to the stone as it serves as intermediary for the prayer to be accepted. For sure this stone cant hear them...
You may read more on Multazam here
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6141 "And He it is who causes gardens to grow, trellised and untrellised, and palm trees and crops of different food and olives and pomegranates, similar and dissimilar. Eat of its fruit when it yields and give its due on the day of its harvest. And be not excessive. Indeed, He does not like those who commit excess."
as you can see above, the ayat defines some restrictions about the crops that it's amount must be more than enough because we are advised not to be wasteful and it also should be qualified to trade in them so we could give its zakah. That's why there must be at least a community who live around Mecca focus on subsistence agriculture at that times.
is that possible?
First of all Saudi Arabia has no lakes or rivers. Rainfall is slight and irregular over most of the country. Previous message has some information about Asir Province which close to the Yemen border and aslo south neighbour of Makkah Province. Geographically, the Asir region is situated on a high plateau that receives more rainfall than the rest of the country and contains the country's highest peaks, which rise to almost 3000 metres. For example Abha which is the capital of Asir province is situated at 2200 meters above sea level on the other hand Mecca, the capital of Makkah Province, is just at a height of 277 meters above sea level. There is huge difference, roundly 2000 meters, between the altitudes that makes climate so distinct although these regions are very close to each other. Please give attention to this sentence "highland farmers also grow quince, plums, cherries, walnuts, olives, pomegranates and many kinds of grapes " helps us to better understand that altitude is very important due to change climate and therefore to grow fruits such as olives and pomegranates which are called in ayat 6141 we have to live highland regions in Saudi Arabia.
so i think it seems impossible.