ShayTaan And His Allies In The World's Forums
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@savage carrot.
Thanks for your post. I will do just that. I know there are lurkers here who are reading.
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Instead of calling me raw, uncouth, unrefined, etc, could you please put aside your opinion of me and address this.
Then don't be cunning to post insinuations that I send Pms to you which I never did. And then act in a decent manner when speaking. Then ask me one or two questions at a time instead of rambling off a dozen which will require full explanations. And don't make derogatory remarks when addressing the issue. Play the ball and not the man. Then I will address all your issues and know that you are not an agent of some Madtrix inshaa allaah.
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Rav Kook said
"Therefore, the pure righteous do not complain of the dark, but increase the light;
they do not complain of evil, but increase justice;
they do not complain of heresy, but increase faith;
they do not complain of ignorance, but increase wisdom."peace
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What is it now, dare I ask?
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Salaam to all of you on this forum, intresting is an understatement for what i have read thus far. I entered many forums just to browse since i am new here, i have noticed some replies are rather harsh the manner in which some things are said, ouch!! Sadly i would have to admit that I have missed these discussions, we will never and could never know everything about Islam. One should remain hungry to feed the very soul that searches for knowledge. The topics with regards to the Hidden Book sounds fascinating and has me moving from one site to another to learn more. To the insignificant but knowledgeable fellow al - amiyr you have all my respect and well wishes for the future regarding your work.
I am new to this forum. I am one of these "lurkers" that justamuslim referred. I have been following al-amiyr's threads and felt that I needed to join.
Agree that some of the replies have been harsh but haven't anyone noticed how al-amiyr's reaction when justamuslim stood up to him, challenging him was abusive?
Not only that but when she pointed his abusive behavior out to him, he offered no apologies but instead justified his abusive behavior by blaming her for not talking to him the way he wanted her to.
I am absolutely appalled at how people have basically remained silent while al-amiyr continued with his abusive behavior. No one found it disturbing when he related a story of a tiger eating a woman and that justamuslim reminded him of this woman?
What I find much more disturbing than the abuser is the reticence and how members like this poster encouraging al-amiyr to continue.
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Another agent of the system who is afraid of the amicable resolution of the conflict.
I am new to this forum. I am one of these "lurkers" that justamuslim referred. I have been following al-amiyr's threads and felt that I needed to join.
Agree that some of the replies have been harsh but haven't anyone noticed how al-amiyr's reaction when justamuslim stood up to him, challenging him was abusive?
Not only that but when she pointed his abusive behavior out to him, he offered no apologies but instead justified his abusive behavior by blaming her for not talking to him the way he wanted her to.
I am absolutely appalled at how people have basically remained silent while al-amiyr continued with his abusive behavior. No one found it disturbing when he related a story of a tiger eating a woman and that justamuslim reminded him of this woman?
What I find much more disturbing than the abuser is the reticence and how members like this poster encouraging al-amiyr to continue.
Another agent of the system who is afraid of the amicable resolution of the conflict. Go to the thread she made yesterday and read the latest, Questions about al-amiyr by justmuslim. http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604853.0.
Some discussions between al-amiyr and justmuslim
as-salaamu "alaykum justmuslim
Your questions are all valid. I am accustomed to all these questions over many forums and I have answered most of the time all them to great satisfaction. You must also understand that it is not easy for me to just answer because I need to substantiate what I say. My real intention is to speak about this knowledge. I do not say that no questions must be asked.
I have spoken to thousands during the years in many lectures. I have made it clear that this knowledge is not in Book form. It is a program upon which the Qur'aan is based. It must be understood. It is the meanings of the letters of the Qur'aan and it is called the Book (al-kitaab). Why do you not examine if this is factual what I am presenting. I promise you that you will be amazed at it and see how great this knowledge is and how much more you will love ALLAAH and The Qur'aan.
If you go back to our previous correspondence you will see that you did not speak to me in a proper manner and therefore I have responded accordingly. I have never maligned anybody on this forum in any way. I just try and do my own thing. But I also do not think that it is right for people to take me out of context and put over an incorrect impression.
I think that both of us can have intelligent discussion on both our terms. what do you think of that?shukran and salaam
justmuslim replies,
Al-Amiyr,
Thank you for your post.
I know what your intentions are. I cannot reach the end point till some things are clear to me from the start and along the way. Keep in mind that you are presenting information to the public where your audiences are coming from all walks if life, different background, at different stages in their faith and evoluation towards God. As you have lectured this knowldge for years, i am sure you have much experience dealing with students at different levels.
You are presenting information that I have never heard of before and goes against everything that I know of to be the truth. In order for me to get to where you want me to be, I need some clarifications. Also keep in mind that you are talking to a non-hadith follower.
Ok so this knowledge is not in book form. I think that I get that. But I don't think that you are getting me, al-Amiyr. Your lessons are in a written format. You are writing it down and posting it. You are not teaching me this lesson orally. You have posted it in other forums. You said you have written articles published in local newspaper. Do you understand what I am saying now? You are communicating to us of this knowledge in written format. You are teaching us of this knowledge in a written medium.
And that is what I was asking. Just as you are doing now, did your dad teach you this knowledge in written form or was it verbal? Now going back to the beginning, did prophet Muhammed teach this knowledge which I understand is not in book form but did he teach this knowledge to his grandson like you have been doing or did he teach it orally? That is all i am asking.
I hope that we are now in the same page. I think that I am asking some simple questions which doesn't really involve substantiating. Ok - if I tell my mom what I am learning from you, she is going to ask me who you are and a whole bunch of questions.
You said that you have given lectures for years. Where? Are you a professor? What kind of professor? What is your profession? Educational background? you seem very highly intelligent.
justmuslim quoted from al-amiyr's previous post,
i would appreciate it if you would let me know how you would want me to speak to you. What would you consider to be a proper way of speaking to you? Can you let me know how i spoke to you before so that I won't speak to you like that again. I think that we have had a break through here - don't you agree? To avoid set backs, I think it would be best if you could let me know what is proper way for me to speak. Thanks.
al-amiyr replied,
Thank you justmuslim
The way you speak now I consider perfect communication. Nothing more is expected. This way we can all correspond effectively without adding what is unnecessary. I agree fully with what you have said above. I will get back to all your questions as I am more eager to speak about it than you would like to hear. I am working on post 15 and it will be easy. Remember I have a deadline that I must fulfill and there are many who are waiting but I will give everyday one or two answers inshaa allaah. Let me hear your suggestions.
al-amiyr
justmuslim replies,
I think this a good compromise. Don't get me wrong, I too want to read all of your 20 posts. I would appreciate if you could also help me along by answering one of my simple questions one day at a time. It is like you read the Koran but you also want to know who prophet Muhammed was. Just the same, I want to know who you are.
Actually, I think that I have not asked you nearly all the questions that I asked about prophet Muhammed and other messengers. Were they all suffering from delusional religious grandiosity? It is by way of questioning we learn and come to the truth. Don't you agree?
I am eagerly awaiting to read your posts and answers to my questions. So continue on. I am dying to know about your educational background. What is your profession? Do you hold degrees? You seem so highly intelligent.
justmuslim post again after I replied to another post,
Al-Amiyr,
I am asking you to please stay focused as you have a deadline to meet and I am just dying for some answers. When I saw that you had posted, I was excited but then only disappointed that I didn't get my questions answered.
Ok - you are now torturing me here. Could you please put me out of my misery a little by answering - what is your educational background? It is hard for me to fully concentrate on your posts when I keep wondering who you are.
al-amiyr posted,
+salaam justmuslim
You have proven to me that you are much more intelligent and truthful than I thought. It has now come to my understanding that your eagerness for the upholding of truth has been a factor in my judgement. Your intelligence and truthful manner has now appeared like a ray of light upon unsparkled horizon.
Because of this I have been inspired to put all your questions together and hope that you will ask all the others you said you still had. I will even add more questions to the list if that will be required.
You said and I quote,
You also said and I quote,
And then again you also said and I quote again,
And finally you said and finally I quote,
I think we can make the best compromise. It is called fifty fifty. Here is my proposal.For every question that I have answered for you in this thread = you will read one of my posts about the Book (al-kitaab) and comment what I post for you in this thread.
What do you think of that?The Qur'aan 04238
Those who respond to their Lord
and establish salat,
and manage their affairs by mutual consultation
and give of what We have provided for them.wa "alaykum-us-salaam
Does that now seem to you like al-amiyr is abusive and would a lady speak so nice to someone whom she knows abused her. I have taught thousands of people and I have developed my own methodology and communication.
When I spoke about the tiger when I said to her when were in conflict
You remind me of this lady.
There was a young lady of Riga
Who smiled as she rode on the back of a tiger
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside
And the smile on the face of the tigerIt is a limerick that I have learned at school over thirty years ago and it simply means "don't take up a challenge and then fail at it". It is like saying, "He who laughs last laughs the longest."
You say you are one of the lurkers, let me quote what the opening post says,
Then I shall come upon them from before them and from behind them and from their right and from their left. And You will not find most of them thankful'.
Said He, 'Go forth from it, degraded and banished. As for those of them, who follow you I shall assuredly fill Hell with all of you'.
Surely he sees you, he and his tribe from where you do not see them. We have made the devils friends of those who do not believe.
A party, He has guided, while another party has deserved to go astray - they have taken devils as patrons instead of God, and think that they are guided'.
You guys have been battling me in these madtrixes for some time but I have entered it and surely your days are numbered irrespective of my death. There are many good people here and I surely hope that justmuslim will continue seeking as she said,
I have the Koran in front of me. The lessons are all there in the book and the signs of God are all around me. If i dont see it is because of my limitedness and lack of wisdom. Over the years, my knowledge and understanding of the koran have increased from Sunnis, Shias, Sufis, Jews, Christians, atheists..... My faith has evolved over time from being a traditional Sunni and now just a Muslim. The words of God is there but due to my limitedness and influence, I didn't get it or see things. I am limited in my knowledge and understanding and constantly searching for the truth from the Koran.
And with this attitude I think that justmuslim is on the right path and may ALLAAH show her His aayaat (which are the meanings of the letters of the Qur'aan and that is called The Hidden Book.
The Sword of Truth has arrived to slay falsehood
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to establish its dominion over where it rightfully belongs.
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What is it now, dare I ask?
Sorry I didn?t notice your post earlier
Let me explain; I was shocked to see you who IMO is a smart lady writing; Exactly, GL.
May all our years be peaceful and joyous. Terms 'ours' and 'their' create division and that is the last thing I expected from you.So let's pray Oh ALLAAH increase our knowledge and let this be a blessed year for all humanity.
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Peace s.c., brothers and sisters.
We must now be used to the fact that " Anti- virus" must be updated to keep working.
Time and again we seem to be fighting the same virus, when it changes into a different virus and attacks again.
Brother Savage is right. Our " Anti-virus" will work if we are fair.
We must trust in God Alone and persevere.
Peace and a joyful new year to all.
- The Hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close with their hands. They have forgotten Allah. so He hath forgotten them. Verily the Hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.
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Peace Farida.
May the Lord bless you and forgive you.
Peace.
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Shaytaan and his devotees (StopS?) do NOT attack those who agree with them, as that would be to weaken their own.
What a ridiculous comment.
Devotee? Me? Come on, please apply just a tad of logics, please. I am an atheist, someone with a lack of a belief. Not the belief in anything opposite.
Why would I "attack" someone who agrees with me when I don't even attack anyone who disagrees.
"Their own"?? What is "their own"? I am not in a club or group or organisation or a part of something. I am an individual.They are, however, very ardent opponents of anyone out to spread the word of God.
That, if I apply "they" to myself, is a straight lie, which is odd, seeing your very own signature says "Do not utter the lies your tongues make up" and the Koran strongly discourages it.
I do not "attack" anyone. I criticise false or wrong information. I critique nonsensical ramblings. Yes, I don't think humans should spread the words which were apparently used and issued by a god. Also, I think humans are unable to do so in an adequate and justified manner. But if anyone wants to anyway, feel free to do it. Why would I oppose that?
So, please, if you don't know or understand something, ask me. But please stop spreading stuff that is patently absurd and wrong.
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I believe Qoran is fully detailed. There are no other books/hidden secrets/scrolls/hadiths... that contain other information given by God . If whatever others claim/write/explain... does not agree with Qoran it is false as far as " Deen" is concerned.
6114 Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law; When HE has revealed to you this book fully detailed? Those who received the scripture recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord truthfully. You shall not harbour any doubt.?
Those who reverence God Alone, know that they will be accountable to Him
76 We will certainly question those who received the message, and we will question the messengers.?
77 We will inform them authoritatively, for We were never absent.?
We can try to fool people but we can never fool God.
752 We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, with knowledge, guidance and mercy for the people who believe.?
( Did GOD give Moses the Tablets? HIS own words? Did GOD require the children of Israel to write their own words?)
7169 Subsequent to them, HE substituted new generations who inherited the scripture. But they opted for the worldly life instead, saying ?We will be forgiven?, but then they continued to opt for the materials of this world. Did they not make a covenant to uphold the scripture and not to say about GOD except the truth? Did they not study the scripture? Certainly the hereafter is far better for those who believe and maintain righteousness. Do you not understand??
7181 Among our creation there are those who guide with the truth and the truth renders them righteous.?
829 O you who believe, if you reverence GOD, HE will enlighten you, remits your sins and forgives you. GOD possesses infinite grace.?
This is "good" logic and exactly what I would expect to hear from someone on this forum.
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What a ridiculous comment.
Devotee? Me? Come on, please apply just a tad of logics, please. I am an atheist, someone with a lack of a belief. Not the belief in anything opposite.
Why would I "attack" someone who agrees with me when I don't even attack anyone who disagrees.
"Their own"?? What is "their own"? I am not in a club or group or organisation or a part of something. I am an individual.Ridiculous comment is it?! No matter how nice and peaceful you may appear, being an atheist, you're indisputably a devotee of ShayTaan, though you may not know or acknowledge it. voodoo
Why? Because in striving against God and goodness, and against faith, you're doing the work of the Dark Lord. How's that for logics? -
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Atheist take to much time trying to refute logical things..
in fact atheism is a religion like any other..Surat Al-'Ikhl (The Sincerity) -
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Say, "He is Allah , One,
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Allah , the Eternal Refuge.
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He neither begets nor is born,
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Nor is there to Him any equivalent."SALAAM/SHALOM/PEACE/PAIX/PAZ