Al-Amiyr's claims and statements - let's examine

Amnew

Funny. People here refuse to believe in knowledge that has been handed down across 4 generations (hadiths). And they should believe this guy and his 44 generations??!

I wondered the same. And then I looked at the profiles of all the supporters of al-amiyr. noticed that most joined the forum recently in December. This is how online cult leaders work or someone suffering from pschiatric disorder with religious overtones.

mirjamnur

Salam
I have read almost all posts and topics of al- amiyr and I'm extremely divided in my feelings.
On the one hand, the theory is interesting, no doubt. Once again a speculation about the hidden knowledge of the Koran.( -[)

It is not my style for two reasons
First it is sold as an absolute hidden truth. That is incorrect.It would be acceptable as a new theory about the message of the Quran.
Second It is represented as a long hidden knowledge. This goes against the whole message of the Quran.

The Quran was revealed for al alamiin. For all - His knowledge is tangible and not hidden or concealed, so that all can benefit from his guidance.The Quran was also revealed for simple minds, and not just for intellectual thinkers.
A theory is a theory, but no absolute truth, which leads either to paradise or to hell.
peace
ps i understand the 'hidden book' = the protected tablets by Allah which contents ALL the wisdom and all scriptures. The prophets became a part of this wisdom. But not all of humanity - is not necessary. just my humble opinion. )

good_logic

Peace Amnew.

Are you also new? Please tell us a little bit about you?

That is if you wish to. Welcome to the forum .
( Sorry if you have already done so and I missed it?)
Peace.

farida

I wondered the same. And then I looked at the profiles of all the supporters of al-amiyr. noticed that most joined the forum recently in December.

And when did you join? Yesterday at 110210 AM
Other like you started registering as soon as StopS was put on ignore list by brother al-amiyr

This is how online cult leaders work or someone suffering from pschiatric disorder with religious overtones.

Don't try to instil fear voodoo

Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the bright side of life

Some things in life are bad, they can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse
When you're chewing on life's gristle, don't grumble give a whistle
This will help things turn out for the best

Always look on the bright side of life
Always look on the right side of life

If life seems jolly rotten, there's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing
When you're feeling in the dumps, don't be silly, chumps.

Dedum Dedum Day 3

faruk

Salam. I really don't understand , why the critics of al-amiyr are panicking? They are behaving like mullahs , trying to safeguard ordinary people from corruption!! Have faith in other peoples intelligence and let everybody decide for himself. Quran never tells not to look outside quran for knowledge. On the contrary quran gives special status for knowledgeable persons (ulul bab , ilm). let not argue over al- amiyr's gaeniology , rather we should discuss the substance in light of quran. For that we have to wait untill he finishes his posts or something he says , which is grossly against quran's teaching or against Allah.

Please let al-amiyr finish his posts.
Thank you all.

al-amiyr

Salam. I really don't understand , why the critics of al-amiyr are panicking? They are behaving like mullahs , trying to safeguard ordinary people from corruption!! Have faith in other peoples intelligence and let everybody decide for himself. Quran never tells not to look outside quran for knowledge. On the contrary quran gives special status for knowledgeable persons (ulul bab , ilm). let not argue over al- amiyr's gaeniology , rather we should discuss the substance in light of quran. For that we have to wait untill he finishes his posts or something he says , which is grossly against quran's teaching or against Allah.

Please let al-amiyr finish his posts.
Thank you all.

Salaam brother

If I am not the best of writers why would anyone want to condemn someone for that. My main aim is to present the Book (al-kitaab). Truly if there is not anything worthy in it, people will be able to judge and what I present will just land on the rubbish heaps of theories. But every one on earth has a right to present his or her views the way he or she wishes to present it. I have so many people waiting for the continuation but sometimes I have to respond because they put me to a challenge which I cannot ignore.
It was not my intention at all to speak about my family. Even justmuslim made a thread called Questions about al-amiyr. Yesterday I spent 15 hours working on the first answer. All this time I could have spent writing in knowledgeable threads.

What is required is a watchman who will see that nothing goes off track. If I go off track the watchman can just make that clear. Then there will be little problems.

Thanks and salaam

good_logic

Peace al-amiyr.

You want a watchman?

Don t you trust in God?

Or have you got bodyguard/s to protect you . I think you will find that God is the best protector!

It is up to you of course.

Peace.

Borakk

Salam. I really don't understand , why the critics of al-amiyr are panicking? They are behaving like mullahs , trying to safeguard ordinary people from corruption!! Have faith in other peoples intelligence and let everybody decide for himself. Quran never tells not to look outside quran for knowledge. On the contrary quran gives special status for knowledgeable persons (ulul bab , ilm). let not argue over al- amiyr's gaeniology , rather we should discuss the substance in light of quran. For that we have to wait untill he finishes his posts or something he says , which is grossly against quran's teaching or against Allah.

Please let al-amiyr finish his posts.
Thank you all.

Behaving like Mullahs? Isn't it a legitimate question why we should trust some knowledge that has supposedly been handed over 44 generations when many in the forum don't even trust hadiths handed down 4 generations?

faruk

Behaving like Mullahs? Isn't it a legitimate question why we should trust some knowledge that has supposedly been handed over 44 generations when many in the forum don't even trust hadiths handed down 4 generations?

Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -

3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.

G_Omar

Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -

3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.

I agree completely. Has not Allaah(swt) assured us that ShayTaan has no power over the believers? Has he not provided the arms to disarm the prince of darkness by saying 'Auwdu b'illahi minaish Shaytaanir rajeem'? And has he not instructed us to put our trust in Him?

So I take my precautions and ask Allah, The Omniscient, to increase me in guidance and, if Al amiyr's teaching be righteous, then may I understand and learn it, but if it be from the darkness then may I reject it. Allaah Al Qadi. hail

al-amiyr

Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -

3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.

Thanks brother always for words of wisdom

In this way we will have peace and be brothers and sisters. In this way others will also have an opportunity to show me knowledge that will benefit me. I learn everyday. And I promise you that I have also learned a number of things in this forum. I never dismiss anything any one says even from critics. No matter how one may not like it. In the end reason must prevail. And inshaa allaah to everything said.

+salaam

al-amiyr

I agree completely. Has not Allaah(swt) assured us that ShayTaan has no power over the believers? Has he not provided the arms to disarm the prince of darkness by saying 'Auwdu b'illahi minaish Shaytaanir rajeem'? And has he not instructed us to put our trust in Him?

So I take my precautions and ask Allah, The Omniscient, to increase me in guidance and, if Al amiyr's teaching be righteous, then may I understand and learn it, but if it be from the darkness then may I reject it. Allaah Al Qadi. hail

+salaam

In this way all can learn even if the presenter is not 100%. He can also be guided. Otherwise how will he know he is on the wrong path if no one will want to listen to what he has to say. You speak righteously and you are like a true Umar. There is a statement attributed to the prophet where he said,

Hadith no108 ibn Maajah
Narrated / Authority of Abu Dhar
?I heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say 'Allah has placed the truth on the tongue of Umar, and he speaks with that (truth).? (Sahih)

+salaam

G_Omar

+salaam

In this way all can learn even if the presenter is not 100%. He can also be guided. Otherwise how will he know he is on the wrong path if no one will want to listen to what he has to say. You speak righteously and you are like a true Umar. There is a statement attributed to the prophet where he said,

Hadith no108 ibn Maajah
Narrated / Authority of Abu Dhar
?I heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) say 'Allah has placed the truth on the tongue of Umar, and he speaks with that (truth).? (Sahih)

+salaam

Wa aleikum salaam
I thank you for your kind words and eagerly (but patiently yes) await your next post on the hidden book.

al-amiyr

Wa aleikum salaam
I thank you for your kind words and eagerly (but patiently yes) await your next post on the hidden book.

wa"alaykum salaam brother

I have also probably read over half your posts and I respect your intelligence and being to the point. The true sign of a Muslim. Al-hamdu lillaah. I am working on the Hidden Book and things will be much easier from the next post and things will begin to materialize inshaa allaah.

wa"alaykum-us-salaam

Borakk

Salam. Who is asking you to trust? Use your brain , reason. One of my fabourite ayat -

3918 The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.

You have to listen first , then only you can follow the best. For that reason give al-amiyr opportunity to finish his posts.

Who is stopping him from posting anything? He is free to post whatever he pleases. But we are also free to question whatever he proposes.

G_Omar

Who is stopping him from posting anything? He is free to post whatever he pleases. But we are also free to question whatever he proposes.

You are of course free to question, but patience is among the vital signs of the righteous so if you're seeking Allaah's pleasure then you should realize that a certain decorum is expected of you. Unless of course you want to band up with the unbelievers here, like StopS, in which case you're under no restraint. nope

G_Omar

wa"alaykum salaam brother

I have also probably read over half your posts and I respect your intelligence and being to the point. The true sign of a Muslim. Al-hamdu lillaah. I am working on the Hidden Book and things will be much easier from the next post and things will begin to materialize inshaa allaah.

wa"alaykum-us-salaam

Salaamun aleikum brother Al Amiyr
Let me assure you I have the utmost respect for your learning and lineage, and I've been following your posts with great interest. Looking forward to what comes next. Btw. I'm Farida's husband sun
Salaams

StopS

As far as I am concerned, I find it a bit unfair to open more than 1 thread questioning the motives and integrity of any one person.

In my opinion there are too many places on this forum already where personalities and beliefs are clashing and where the tactics of al-amiyr are being discussed. The initial thread of the cosmogony in the Koran according to Dr. Maurice Bucaille of the 1970s is still awaiting completion and so is every other thread he started.

I welcomed the idea of pulling together the opinions in one single discussion where the different opinions on this person and the tactics could be questioned, voiced and discussed. But isn't this now becoming something of an obsession? Are the different threads all concerning one person an overkill or a necessity?

For my part, I will just point out mistakes, logical errors and logical fallacies and wait for reality to catch up.

Borakk

You are of course free to question, but patience is among the vital signs of the righteous so if you're seeking Allaah's pleasure then you should realize that a certain decorum is expected of you. Unless of course you want to band up with the unbelievers here, like StopS, in which case you're under no restraint. nope

So, questioning his fallacy of supposed knowledge being passed 44 generations, violates the "decorum"? And anybody who opposes him is an "unbeliever" like StopS? I went through his posts and as a rationalist I find nothing wrong with his questioning attitude. As I said, for us to take his claims seriously, he first has to explain why we should believe in something being passed down 44 generations when we don't believe hadiths.

al-amiyr

Salaamun aleikum brother Al Amiyr
Let me assure you I have the utmost respect for your learning and lineage, and I've been following your posts with great interest. Looking forward to what comes next. Btw. I'm Farida's husband sun
Salaams

wa "alaykum salaam brother

You look like a powerful warrior, no wonder she always speaks about you. You really remind me of The Great companion of the Prophet (S+) Umar. I will quote another statement attributed to the prophet (S+) about umar (R+).

The Messenger of ALLAAH (A*) (S+) swore and said that whenever shayTaan finds "umar ibn al_khaTTaab (R+) taking a path he takes another path.

Sahih al-Bukhari Book 66 hadiyth 3480
3480. It is related that Sa'id ibn Abi Waqqas said,
The Messenger of Allah said, 'O Ibn al-Khattab! By the One in whose hand my soul is, whenever Shaytan finds you taking a path, he only takes a path other than your path.'"

Islaam became mighty since "umar ibn al_khaTTaab (R+) became Muslim

Sahih al-Bukhari 3481
3481. It is related that 'Abdullah said, "We have become mighty since 'Umar became Muslim."

I pray that ALLAAH give you wisdom and strength to help to defeat the ShayTaan and his allies. And help you build Islaam to the glory that it should be. And all praise be to ALLAAH Alone. inshaa allaah to everything.

wa "alaykum-us-salaam