shia vs quranists.
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Sunnis and Shias claim that the Koran doesn't give the details of how to pray and this is why hadiths are needed. However, when I ask for the specific hadiths that provides the details as is claimed I am yet to get an answer. I am yet to have hadith follower show me just one hadith that is actually the saying of prophet Muhammed not what ali, Abu huraira, Aisha, and so on said or saw. I am still waiting.
Shias don't accept Sunni hadiths. So which hadiths are true - the Sunni or Shia? Sunnis don't perform them ritual salat the same as the Shia. So, how did prophet really perform his ritual salat - like the Shia or the Sunni? Can either group provide evidence?
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Sunnis and Shias claim that the Koran doesn't give the details of how to pray and this is why hadiths are needed. However, when I ask for the specific hadiths that provides the details as is claimed I am yet to get an answer. I am yet to have hadith follower show me just one hadith that is actually the saying of prophet Muhammed not what ali, Abu huraira, Aisha, and so on said or saw. I am still waiting.
Shias don't accept Sunni hadiths. So which hadiths are true - the Sunni or Shia? Sunnis don't perform them ritual salat the same as the Shia. So, how did prophet really perform his ritual salat - like the Shia or the Sunni? Can either group provide evidence?
Have you heard about zayd ibn ali?
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Peace al-amiyr.
I have heard of God, the Supreme. the Almighty. We have His word- Qoran-.
Is this not sufficient for His servants?
Peace.
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Sunnis and Shias claim that the Koran doesn't give the details of how to pray and this is why hadiths are needed. However, when I ask for the specific hadiths that provides the details as is claimed I am yet to get an answer. I am yet to have hadith follower show me just one hadith that is actually the saying of prophet Muhammed not what ali, Abu huraira, Aisha, and so on said or saw. I am still waiting.
Shias don't accept Sunni hadiths. So which hadiths are true - the Sunni or Shia? Sunnis don't perform them ritual salat the same as the Shia. So, how did prophet really perform his ritual salat - like the Shia or the Sunni? Can either group provide evidence?
If you look at Shafi's risala about the Sunnah being a revelation he actually claimed that 5 salat was there before hadiths were made available. Read Shafi's risala about the authority of the Sunnah.
Excerpt On Legal Knowledge
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Someone asked me What is knowledge and how much should men know of it?
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Shafi?i replied Legal knowledge is of two kinds one is for the general public, and no sober and mature person should be ignorant of it.
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He asked For example?
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replied For example, that the daily prayers are five, that men owe it to God to fast the month of Ramadan, to make the pilgrimage to the House whenever they are able, and to the legal alms in their estate; that He has prohibited usury, adultery, homicide, theft, wine, and of that sort which He has obligated men to comprehend, to perform, to pay in their property, and to abstain from He has forbidden it to them.
This kind of knowledge may be found textually in the Book of God, or may be found generally among the people of Islam. The public relates it from the preceding public and ascribes it to the Apostle of God, nobody ever questioning its ascription or its binding force upon them. It is the kind of knowledge which admits of error neither in its narrative nor in its interpretation; it is not permissible to question it.
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He asked What is the second kind?
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Shafi?i replied It consists of the detailed duties and rules obligatory on men, concerning which there exists neither a text in the Book of God, nor regarding most of them, a sunna. Whenever a sunna exists , it is of the kind related by few authorities, not by the public, and is subject to different interpretations arrived at by analogy.
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He asked Is replied There is a third kind .
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He asked Will you explain it, give its source, and state what of it is obligatory, and on whom it is binding and on whom it is not binding?
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replied The public is incapable of knowing this kind of knowledge, nor can all specialists obtain it. But those who do obtain it should not all neglect it. If some can obtain it, the others are relieved of the duty ; but those who do obtain it will be rewarded.
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So the 5 prayers existed before hadiths came to the scene. Notice that the general public had no knowledge of the Sunnah and even did not know what to do with it. Sunnah hadith was an innovation introduced nearly two centuries after Muhammad.
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