Muslim = Peacemaker or Submitter?
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Nice mantra!
I'd like to barge in and submit my own modified version
When you're at peace with yourself, then you'll be at peace with God, and everything that is and happens around you.
As peace within means an open channel/vision of reality and truth... which cannot lead to anything else than peace.Cheers
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Peace all,
It's great to see how you guys have understood what I suggested. This definition may be lengthy, but I believe it fits in quite well and beautifully encompasses all definitions of root SLM.
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Thanks Sushi for sharing the link.
Fallen Angel, although the article provides some of the main arguments, it is a little out of date.
The latest arguments showing that muslim=peacemaker can be found in the following Arabic book
www.quran4peace.orgI think that even Edip Yuskel who had founded the Submitters sect with Rashad Khalifa has changed his mind and now believe that the word means peacemaker.
Peace,
Ayman
First my last name is Yuksel.
At a time when I was considering the "peacemaker" as the primary meaning of the word, I read your article, which contained good arguments. I thank you for that, Ayman.
Peace,
Edip -
Peace Fallen Angel.
Thank you for sharing the excerpt from Pervez. He was quite eloquent in his expressing his views. There was a wonderful clarity in the way he presented ideas and pushed his efforts to get people to see the truth, to study and explore the Quran, and to understand what Islam could be for all people.
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Salam,
I know, right? Quite clear and short yet including all meanings of SLM in one paragraph.
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Peace,
I have been thinking a bit upon this and I believe we are both submitters and peacemakers. A sign of the meaning peacemaker is due to the fact the islamic greeting is peace! or salaam!
I mean, we cannot ignore the fact we submit to God, but with Salaam as greeting this must mean our intention is peace and prosperity.
God is the most Wise, therefore we can get several good meanings of the same words.
Remember we should always aim at settle disputes peacefully and only attack if we are attacked, and then only until the other part stopped fighting. Refrain from bad language.
This applies to forums too!
May God bless you with Peace and prosperity
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I agree that we would be both peacemakers and submitters... they go hand in hand... two sides of the same coin. Peace and surrender are deeeply connected.
I mean, we cannot ignore the fact we submit to God, but with Salaam as greeting this must mean our intention is peace and prosperity.
Well, I see what you say, and strictly logically this would be the case, however, the greeting of salaam is like any other word uttered... only as valid as the intention behind, and that intention can differ alot. From my limited experience, in muslim and non-muslim countries, these greetings are much more about cultural respect, customs and identity than it is about a peaceful intention. Even backbiting a**holes will greet you with salaam... so many times they are just empty words... hypocracy.
But yes, the proper use of the greeting is what you say, to show that you wish the other person peace and that you have come in peace.Peace!
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.....................now what? confused lol, what I mean is that, okay we agree and all, but I was hoping there would an extensively long discussion on this, but um, there isn't...
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Peace zulf,
I agree it pretty much double-standard to first greet someone with Salaam and the flame the other in words and actions, arrogance and cynism.
I think we must reflect upon why and when we say Salaam.
Many of us, including myself, will have to calm down to gain God's favor. A lesson for us all.
May God bless us with peace and prosperity
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When you're at PEACE with yourselves, you'll be at PEACE with your surroundings.
When you're at PEACE with your surroundings, you'll be at PEACE with what's happening.
When you're at PEACE with what's happening, you'll be at PEACE with God.
When you're at PEACE with God, you're submitting to ANY of His will
As any events, no matter how small, is happening in truly accordance to His will.PS the above series of statements is not my own, it's originated from a well known buddhist mantra (recitation) with slight modification which is my own..
Salam / Peace
That one is from down to earth to up to heaven clarity, with quality perception.
When you are having salam in your heart at any point of time, exactly at that point of time you are a 'Muslim'. How great would it be if Allah commands the angels to capture my soul and make me die at the dot! Prophet Yusuf s.a.w has prayed to Allah exactly this Read 12101
My Lord, You have given me of sovereignty and taught me of the interpretation of invisibilities. Creator of the heavens and earth, You are my protector in this world and in the Hereafter. Cause me to die a Muslim and join me with the righteous."
How true the following verse is
But if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to you, ask those who read the Book before you; certainly the truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.
But if you are in doubt as to who a muslim is, ask those who had pondered upon it before you; certainly this truth has come to you from your Lord, therefore you should not be of the disputers.Wow! That Buddhist mantra testifies 2559 and 1094
salam, jafar
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Exactly!
Truth is truth, wherever it is found. Perhaps there is no other book as such than the quran that exists as text with specific words, all of'em, inspired by Allah... but there is for sure ALOT of truth in the form of wisdom, saying, philosophies out there in the world. Truth is truth. It's there to be seen for anyone with open enough eyes. Truth can come to anyone, from anywhere. If we are seeking truth and are tuned in (as much as we can at a certain instance) to truth, then we will see it everywhere in anythings. Truth is reality. If we are not tuned in to truth, then we won't find it even in the quran or any wise teachings.
Peace!
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Peace everyone,
I disagree with all the arguments that say that "islam" can also mean "submission". In Arabic peacemaking/"islam" and submission/"taslim" are two different concepts that are two different Masdars of the root "SLM" that convey different meanings. So please do not use them interchangeably.
Words of the form "islam" indicate the making of the name of the Masdar of the form "fa3al". So "ifsad" is the making of corruption/"fasad" and "inga7" is the making of success/"naga7" and "isla7" is the making of good/"sala7", etc.... . So "islam" is the making of peace/"salam". The following figure extracted from the book shows a few such examples and their various consistent forms
http//i45.tinypic.com/2usu1li.gif
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace all
What should be the translation of (aslama wajhahu lillahi) in the verse 4125 ?
I can see it has been translated as follows
4125 And who is better in the system than one who submits himself to God, and is a good doer, and he followed the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And God has taken Abraham as a friend.
Peace
Abdullah
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Salamun Alaykum,
Okay, so I was just working on the definition of Muslim, and I recalled that someone (I believe Ayman, though I'm not sure) suggested that Muslim means peacemaker, not submitter. I wanted that if someone be kind enough to link me to any threads on this topic, or just simply provide me both sides of the argument..? It'd be really helpful for me. At the moment, I've seen that from the root Salima, there are two words, Salmun, and Silmun. Salmun means peace, ease, soundness etc. and Silmun means submission, obedience etc. Hence, words coming from Salmun refer to peace, and from Silmun refer to submission. However, I would love if any one skilled in Arabic, or someone who has knowledge of the arguments provided for the meaning of Muslim, enlighten me on whether Muslim comes from Salmun or Silmun, or whether I'm totally wrong on the issue in the first place. Thank you
Salaam
There is others interpretations.
Sallama=Give and Muslim=who receive
Mo'min= who take care of what he is entrusted in
Nabi=Informed by what he received.
Rassool=transmitter of what he received.
Salat=connection for reception.
Hajj'ou= the one who argue with what received.
Kafir=Who reject what he receive
Mochrik=Who mix and pollute what he receivedAll these are centered on reception of words of Gods.
God is free to multiply ways of reading and understanding.Peace