'The Game Allegory'
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Peace good logic,
Exactly, the background to this allegory is extremely serious and I never intended to make a joke about the meaning of life. I thought I clarified that in the end of the article, but it seems I did not make enough efforts.
Also, one can almost never make anything without having negative critics, people simply have different taste and opinion, and we have to respect that, especially as good muslims.
Peace to all of you who posted your ideas to contribute to the topic, I forgot to do that until 'good logic' did that before me. It is wonderful how we all complement each other.
I also thank drfazl for highlighting the potential flaws or traps with this philosophical thinking.
May God bless you
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Peace Man of Faith.
Please do not take what was said as criticism. It is not.
This is a good topic to discuss. Please keep discussing.
You have done a good job starting this " Thread". Worthwhile for all who take part or just read.
Thank you.
Peace.
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Peace good logic,
I mentioned criticism in general. 'drfazl' gave his opinion about the allegory and I tried to meet his criticism as good as I could, but this concept may not appeal to everyone and I accept that.
I noticed you were clarifying about the seriousness of the matter and I acknowledged it.
God bless you
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Peace good logic, man of faith,
I see you both as well-composed thinkers! May God Bless All.
MoF, I am sorry if you felt there was criticism in my post. I just put my observation unequivocally so that it saves time for the author of the thread and the others to set right the initial obstacles that might arise in the mind of a reader who follows the thread. To a great extent I wish to be an obscure spectator in the big gallery of people watching your show as you seriously-enjoy your game. I might raise my finger now and then and it is not blame on you if you miss to notice it amidst the large gathering witnessing the spectacle.
salam all.
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Peace drfazl,
Like I said in a recent thread, it is good to point out potential flaws or suggestionsetc. There is nothing wrong in that. I just wanted to make sure you did not misunderstand my points given in the original message.
May God bless you
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Peace,
There is some conflation of terms going on.
The usage of the word "game" in the OP is a very different usage to the common use. When you think "game" you might get the implications of video games, laughing, joking, wasting time.
Conversely the OP's usage is a more mathematical/clinical usage of the word. Which simply means "a system with N players who can make X decisions to bring each other up or down"; of which video games are a subset but then so is the stock market, housing market, so are all your friendships (social status value), so even is your connection to God and the grace he rewards you with for goodly servitude (i.e. good by way of probation, evil by way of trial).
All movements of things can be decomposed into "games" under the assumption that each entity involved is capable of making choices.
I am not quite sure why you would think that a person talking about the quran, who believes in it wholly, would even remotely make an allegory taking it for a joke. When in doubt, always look for the best face
Also drfazl can you please provide evidence for the following statement, namely the parts emphasised?
God created us from nothingness before even we were a gamete; and the universe was created from nothingness in six periods; all his creations were silent without a whisper of a sound while coming into being and only the destruction is caused by a 'Big Bang', dismissing such theories being attempted at creation. Subtle is creation; bigbang is destruction!
I hope you are aware of 2130.
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Peace,
drfazl can you please provide evidence for the following statement, namely the parts emphasised?
God created us from nothingness before even we were a gamete; and the universe was created from nothingness in six periods; all his creations were silent without a whisper of a sound while coming into being and only the destruction is caused by a 'Big Bang', dismissing such theories being attempted at creation. Subtle is creation; bigbang is destruction!
I hope you are aware of 2130.
Peace, IAMOP
I am aware of 2130 and thanks for reminding. Regarding the highlight God created us from nothingness before even we were a gamete. The following are the references you wanted
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He said "So will it be. Your God says It is easy for Me. Certainly I have created you before, when you had been nothing!"3629
It was no more than a single Big Bang, and behold! they were like ashes quenched and silent.3030
Then set your face towards righteousness- the nature Created by Allah in which He has made men; there is no difference whatsoever of Allah's Creation; that is the right course, but most people do not know.IAMOP, I do not want the thread to be diverted or disturbed anymore; let it go on.
Salam
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Peace all.
Thank you ,IAMOP, for the link of " game theory".
I like the following quote
You must be comfortable with mathematical thinking and rigorous arguments. Relatively little specific math is required; the course involves lightweight probability theory (for example, you should know what a conditional probability is) and very lightweight calculus (for instance, taking a derivative).
What is the probability of being a witness against yourself in this game?
The companion said, "Here is my formidable testimony."
Also help was thrown in case you wanted to save yourself in this game?
Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."
Peace.
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Elaboration attempt
Another thing to show through the allegory is how easy things are for God, since He has perfect control of the universe. It is probably much easier than I could explain allegorically using this concept, but it still works its purpose.
Try to fathom that God has ultimate control over the incredibly huge virtual world and can run scripts manipulating the running program on the fly. He could create the Earth by some simple commands. Such immense power in His possession.
I understand why the movie "the Matrix" came about, because it can also be used allegorically to describe God's virtual world, if you just remove irrelevant and illogical story parts. What I meant was the concept.
God controls every particle of this world, therefore He could cause everything to simply come into existence and there was nothing to prevent that. Like creating a video game, He can create things out of nothing, the megabytes of information are just replaced by atoms and molecules.
When talking about the dynamics of this concept I realize how abstract it is, and the same goes for belief in God.
We must believe in the unseen and the projection of this allegory can help strengthen our foothold. Develop and elaborate this concept and I am sure you may have, God willing, an easier time keeping the meaning of life on your mind and also counter atheists.
One of the logical flaws of atheists is how they refute the existence of God while it is wholly illogical this world could create itself. The probability, which term science-lovers hold so dear, is practically non-existent, that this world could just exist on its own or being created out of its own "evolution".
Meeting them with a modern concept might bite harder on their obsession with science.
Seen allegorically, how can you detect and probe God if He is an external controller, administrator and owner, of this world? It is not like He is the man on the moon.
Good created this simulation and keeps it running with little interference and occasional story elements (i.e. the prophets etc). Like I mentioned in the first post, He gives buffs and debuffs depending on what we do and lets Satan participate, even if He has no real control, through his deceiving whispers, but apart from that God's participation is mainly subtle. He will not show His true mighty self until the trial is over, otherwise the sole purpose of His creation would become irrelevant.
Anyway, that is it for now. I welcome you to comment and reflect upon what I wrote.
May God lead us into eternal bliss
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Peace MOF, all.
Indeed, Good created this simulation and keeps it running with little interference and occasional story elements ... until the trial is over.
I am going to cheat and forward the game to have a "peep" how it will end?
" We all come out like swarms of butterflies"
"Then the earth will shine with the light of its Lord. The record will be proclaimed, and the prophets and the witnesses will be brought forth. Everyone will then be judged equitably..."
"And your Lord comes, together with the angels in row after row." He will make a grand appearance!
"The stars are crashed into each other".
"The earth and the mountains will be carried off and crushed; utterly crushed".
And this is the best bit for some
"The great horror will not worry them, and the angels will receive them joyfully "This is your day, that has been promised to you."
Sorry folks!. I rewind the game back Over to you.
Peace.