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    The verse describing the day night phenomenon.

    The changing of day and night as we know it happening due to the earth movement around itself.

    The phenomenon of day and night described perfectly with few words in the quran.
    The verse is saying Allah causeth the (revolution, flipping) of the day and the night. Lo! herein is indeed a lesson for those who see. (2444)

    (2444)

    <a href="http//www.wordreference.com/aren/%D9%8A%D9%82%D9%84%D8%A8">Check for the meanings of</a> of and compare it to the day and night phenomenon

    http//pictat.com/i/2012/4/27/16078untitled.png

    http//pictat.com/i/2012/4/27/15456dayandnigh.png

    TURN UPSIDE DOWN

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      Other Quranic verse about day & night which confirm that god had managed the earth rotation to achieve day & night.

      He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He rolleth the night around the day, and rolleth the day around the night, and He hath subjected the sun and the moon each running on for a term appointed! Lo! He is the Mighty, the Forgiver. (395)
      http//pictat.com/i/2013/1/16/26273copy11.png

      http//pictat.com/i/2013/1/17/35049finalwork.jpg

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        The verse describing the day night phenomenon.

        The changing of day and night as we know it happening due to the earth movement around itself.

        The phenomenon of day and night described perfectly with few words in the quran.
        The verse is saying Allah causeth the (revolution, flipping) of the day and the night. Lo! herein is indeed a lesson for those who see. (2444)

        (2444)

        salaam FearGod

        Thank you for posting these beautiful images, explaining , and if we were to study the letters in al-kitaab that make the words 'layl' night, or 'layaal' nights, that alone explains what you have demostrated in this post; subhan-allaah.
        Looking forward to more posts form you insha allaah.

        salaam

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          salaam FearGod

          Thank you for posting these beautiful images, explaining , and if we were to study the letters in al-kitaab that make the words 'layl' night, or 'layaal' nights, that alone explains what you have demostrated in this post; subhan-allaah.
          Looking forward to more posts form you insha allaah.

          salaam

          Salaam Farida,

          Thank you for you kind words.

          i missed to put here the 2nd wonderful verse in arabic showing that god is the one to manage the process of rolling
          day and night around our earth as i had demonstrated in the previous image..

          He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He rolleth the night around the day, and rolleth the day around the night, and He hath subjected the sun and the moon each running on for a term appointed! Lo! He is the Mighty, the Forgiver. (395)

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            Salaam Farida,

            Thank you for you kind words.

            i missed to put here the 2nd wonderful verse in arabic showing that god is the one to manage the process of rolling
            day and night around our earth as i had demonstrated in the previous image..

            He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He rolleth the night around the day, and rolleth the day around the night, and He hath subjected the sun and the moon each running on for a term appointed! Lo! He is the Mighty, the Forgiver. (395)

            salaam FearGod

            And the 3rd wonderful verse in arabic

            I would request you to put English translation for this one insha allaah.

            salaam

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              salaam FearGod

              And the 3rd wonderful verse in arabic

              I would request you to put English translation for this one insha allaah.

              salaam

              Salaam Farida,

              Yes true,another wonderful verse and the better translation which i found is the following

              Thou makest the night to enter into the day and Thou makest the day to enter into the night, Thou bringest forth the living from the dead and Thou bringest forth the dead from the living, and Thou providest whomsoever Thou wilt without reckoning. (327)

              http//pictat.com/i/2013/1/21/18680finalwork.jpg

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                salaam FearGod

                Thank you! I also had Sahih International translation in mind but I like the way you have explained it with in the same diagram. Brillient

                salaam

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                  http//pictat.com/i/2013/2/22/40840sun1.jpg

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                    Peace, FearGod.

                    I'm not understanding the basis of this post. If anything, based on your translation, it shows that the Qur'aan can be inaccurate, as this is a clear astronomical blunder. The passage says the following

                    Allah the night and the day... (Q. 2444)

                    This form of the word (e.g. "qallaba&quot can have various meanings - such as to turn over, to alternate, or to change. It doesn't specifically mean to 'rotate', or to 'turn upside down', as you attempted to imply in your post. However, if we take your translation as being accurate, then this presents a problem. For starters, it doesn't say anything about the Earth; it says that "the night and the day" are the things turning or changing. If we take this to refer to a rotational concept, then we're forced to interpret it as saying that the night and the day 'turn upside down', or that the night and the day are 'rotating' around the planet. As we know, that's ridiculous.

                    Your interpretation of this passage seems to imply geocentricism - that the Earth is situated or stabilized, and the night and day (e.g. by way of the Sun's progression) are moving around it. Again, that concept is astronomically unsound, as the passage implies that the night and the day - not the Earth - are 'flipping over', or rotating. That's not a "phenomenon", that's a false claim.

                    Peace,

                    Ahmad

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                      Peace, FearGod.

                      I'm not understanding the basis of this post. If anything, based on your translation, it shows that the Qur'aan can be inaccurate, as this is a clear astronomical blunder. The passage says the following

                      Allah the night and the day... (Q. 2444)

                      This form of the word (e.g. "qallaba&quot can have various meanings - such as to turn over, to alternate, or to change. It doesn't specifically mean to 'rotate', or to 'turn upside down', as you attempted to imply in your post. However, if we take your translation as being accurate, then this presents a problem. For starters, it doesn't say anything about the Earth; it says that "the night and the day" are the things turning or changing. If we take this to refer to a rotational concept, then we're forced to interpret it as saying that the night and the day 'turn upside down', or that the night and the day are 'rotating' around the planet. As we know, that's ridiculous.

                      Your interpretation of this passage seems to imply geocentricism - that the Earth is situated or stabilized, and the night and day (e.g. by way of the Sun's progression) are moving around it. Again, that concept is astronomically unsound, as the passage implies that the night and the day - not the Earth - are 'flipping over', or rotating. That's not a "phenomenon", that's a false claim.

                      Peace,

                      Ahmad

                      Salam Ahmad,

                      i have already shown all the meanings for Yaqulip (&#1576 and which means to rotate something upside down.

                      God when mentions (Day) he means the lands that shows the Day and when mentioning the night then he means the lands which shows the night and you can realize that by understanding all other verses which show clearly that god is pointing to the lands which have night or day.

                      The position of the day is fixed (sun rays) but the lands of Day moves to night position and then the lands of night moves to the Day position.

                      Examine all other verses which i have already illustrated which gives the same wonderful meanings.

                      Peace
                      Feargod

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                        Peace (salaam), FearGod.

                        You said

                        i have already shown all the meanings for Yaqulip (&#1576 and which means to rotate something upside down.

                        As I mentioned previously, this is false, and you didn't even use the correct term this time. The word used is derived from the word "qallaba", which can have several meanings, one of which is to turn something upside down. Other meanings include alternating something, turning something, or changing something. It does NOT specifically mean to turn something upside down; this is merely your interpretation of the passage, seemingly based on the context. From my perspective, it appears that you're trying to force the Qur'aan to fit in with modern science; in reality, you're causing the opposite effect.

                        God when mentions (Day) he means the lands that shows the Day and when mentioning the night then he means the lands which shows the night and you can realize that by understanding all other verses which show clearly that god is pointing to the lands which have night or day.

                        The position of the day is fixed (sun rays) but the lands of Day moves to night position and then the lands of night moves to the Day position.

                        Again, this proposes a clear astronomical blunder. The time distinctions between "day" and "night" aren't based on the land; they're based on the Sun's relation to the Earth. In other words, the Sun is what causes the distinction (separation) between day and night, which is due to the planet's revolution around the Sun. The Qur'aan, on the other hand, specifically says that the night and the day are revolving ('turning upside down'?) around the planet Earth. This is completely ridiculous, and it doesn't agree with modern science at all. In addition, your proposal is irrational, since Muhammad (and hence the Qur'aan) wouldn't know what the other side of the planet looked like - the book is written from the perceptive position of the Middle East.

                        From a basic position, it looks like the Qur'aan is saying that Allah (God) "alternates" the day and the night, which would make a lot more sense, especially when viewed from the common position of what we generally observe. Stating that God flips the night and the day 'upside down' is ridiculous, and it is, if nothing else, evidence that the Qur'aan is capable of gross scientific inaccuracies.

                        Peace,

                        Ahmad

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                          Peace (salaam), FearGod.

                          You said

                          As I mentioned previously, this is false, and you didn't even use the correct term this time. The word used is derived from the word "qallaba", which can have several meanings, one of which is to turn something upside down. Other meanings include alternating something, turning something, or changing something. It does NOT specifically mean to turn something upside down; this is merely your interpretation of the passage, seemingly based on the context. From my perspective, it appears that you're trying to force the Qur'aan to fit in with modern science; in reality, you're causing the opposite effect.

                          Again, this proposes a clear astronomical blunder. The time distinctions between "day" and "night" aren't based on the land; they're based on the Sun's relation to the Earth. In other words, the Sun is what causes the distinction (separation) between day and night, which is due to the planet's revolution around the Sun. The Qur'aan, on the other hand, specifically says that the night and the day are revolving ('turning upside down'?) around the planet Earth. This is completely ridiculous, and it doesn't agree with modern science at all. In addition, your proposal is irrational, since Muhammad (and hence the Qur'aan) wouldn't know what the other side of the planet looked like - the book is written from the perceptive position of the Middle East.

                          From a basic position, it looks like the Qur'aan is saying that Allah (God) "alternates" the day and the night, which would make a lot more sense, especially when viewed from the common position of what we generally observe. Stating that God flips the night and the day 'upside down' is ridiculous, and it is, if nothing else, evidence that the Qur'aan is capable of gross scientific inaccuracies.

                          Peace,

                          Ahmad

                          From all my explanations with more than one verse which describes day and night which matching the view of modern science
                          and you are still insist to not understand even though it is very easy to be understood.

                          You are saying that there are more than one meaning to than just upside down but i have shown how god
                          causes rolling of day and night and how night enter to the day (do you think the darkness moves if not the land),just use a little
                          of wisdom and it'll be easy for you to understand,if i assumed you want really to understand.

                          He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He rolleth the night around the day, and rolleth the day around the night, and He hath subjected the sun and the moon each running on for a term appointed! Lo! He is the Mighty, the Forgiver. (395)

                          Do you think the night will move and roll (how darkness moves if not land)

                          Thou makest the night to enter into the day and Thou makest the day to enter into the night, Thou bringest forth the living from the dead and Thou bringest forth the dead from the living, and Thou providest whomsoever Thou wilt without reckoning. (327)

                          Again you can see that the verse is saying that night enter to the day which means both do exist at the same moment and one
                          moves to the other,do you thing darkness can move.

                          Please don't always repeat yourself ,you are absolutely wrong and you don't understand what you are even talking about.

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                            Peace, FearGod.

                            From all my explanations with more than one verse which describes day and night which matching the view of modern science
                            and you are still insist to not understand even though it is very easy to be understood.

                            You are saying that there are more than one meaning to than just upside down but i have shown how god
                            causes rolling of day and night and how night enter to the day (do you think the darkness moves if not the land),just use a little
                            of wisdom and it'll be easy for you to understand,if i assumed you want really to understand.

                            He hath created the heavens and the earth with truth. He rolleth the night around the day, and rolleth the day around the night, and He hath subjected the sun and the moon each running on for a term appointed! Lo! He is the Mighty, the Forgiver. (395)

                            Do you think the night will move and roll (how darkness moves if not land)

                            Thou makest the night to enter into the day and Thou makest the day to enter into the night, Thou bringest forth the living from the dead and Thou bringest forth the dead from the living, and Thou providest whomsoever Thou wilt without reckoning. (327)

                            Again you can see that the verse is saying that night enter to the day which means both do exist at the same moment and one
                            moves to the other,do you thing darkness can move.

                            Please don't always repeat yourself ,you are absolutely wrong and you don't understand what you are even talking about.

                            Again, this is an example of you attempting to force the Qur'aan to agree with modern science. I'm not talking about your personal interpretation, nor am I talking about the logical stance on the issue (which is due to our established viewpoints, due to science). I'm solely talking about what the passage states. The Qur'aan doesn't say that it's talking about the Earth; this is merely your interpretation, due to your emphatic resolution to make the Qur'aan correct. Again, in this case, it isn't.

                            You can even look at the other passage you posted concerning this, and it illustrates the same concept - geocentricism. What do you think it means when the Qur'aan says that God has "appointed the sun and the moon, each running on for a term appointed"? Based on other passages in the Qur'aan, it implies, as do those, that the sun is orbiting around the Earth; and again, this view is incorrect. You can form an interpretation of what you think it's saying, but the words are very explicit.

                            The other passage you posted, concerning the night rolling into the day, is not a "miraculous" phenomenon; this is merely a sight-based depiction. Anybody can look up in the sky during the evening and see this same thing. I'm not saying that the book doesn't provide a semi-accurate depiction of this, especially based on visual sightings. However, it's foolish to cite this as an example of something Muhammad couldn't have known (and therefore must've been told to him by God), since this is something he probably saw everyday! And no, I'm not inferring the concept of the darkness moving; the Qur'aan is saying this, though - just like it claims that mountains speak, the Earth and sky (???) 'chose' to "willingly" come together, Moses threw a stick on the ground and it turned into a serpent, etc. We both know that these types of things don't happen either. Your bias is evident.

                            I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about... When's the last time you studied astronomy?

                            Peace,

                            Ahmad

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                              Peace, FearGod.

                              Again, this is an example of you attempting to force the Qur'aan to agree with modern science. I'm not talking about your personal interpretation, nor am I talking about the logical stance on the issue (which is due to our established viewpoints, due to science). I'm solely talking about what the passage states. The Qur'aan doesn't say that it's talking about the Earth; this is merely your interpretation, due to your emphatic resolution to make the Qur'aan correct. Again, in this case, it isn't.

                              You can even look at the other passage you posted concerning this, and it illustrates the same concept - geocentricism. What do you think it means when the Qur'aan says that God has "appointed the sun and the moon, each running on for a term appointed"? Based on other passages in the Qur'aan, it implies, as do those, that the sun is orbiting around the Earth; and again, this view is incorrect. You can form an interpretation of what you think it's saying, but the words are very explicit.

                              The other passage you posted, concerning the night rolling into the day, is not a "miraculous" phenomenon; this is merely a sight-based depiction. Anybody can look up in the sky during the evening and see this same thing. I'm not saying that the book doesn't provide a semi-accurate depiction of this, especially based on visual sightings. However, it's foolish to cite this as an example of something Muhammad couldn't have known (and therefore must've been told to him by God), since this is something he probably saw everyday! And no, I'm not inferring the concept of the darkness moving; the Qur'aan is saying this, though - just like it claims that mountains speak, the Earth and sky (???) 'chose' to "willingly" come together, Moses threw a stick on the ground and it turned into a serpent, etc. We both know that these types of things don't happen either. Your bias is evident.

                              I have a very good idea of what I'm talking about... When's the last time you studied astronomy?

                              Peace,

                              Ahmad

                              i didn't even read all your post but just i understand from the first few sentences that you are trying to show the quran as a simple book but without using any evidence of what you are saying as to be correct.

                              Regarding the verse about that the sun is running which you found it to be wrong and which i can see that you are very weak and ignorant in astronomy.

                              http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkWyM-M8o0c

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                                i didn't even read all your post but just i understand from the first few sentences that you are trying to show the quran as a simple book but without using any evidence of what you are saying as to be correct.

                                Regarding the verse about that the sun is running which you found it to be wrong and which i can see that you are very weak and ignorant in astronomy.

                                http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkWyM-M8o0c

                                What was the point of that video? I never said the sun isn't moving; I said it's not orbiting around the Earth. If the concepts of the sun and moon being in motion were divided according to the factors, then there wouldn't be an issue. However, since the Qur'aan says that 'the sun and the moon are running for a term appointed', it implies that they're accomplishing a similar function, even traveling in a similar fashion and direction. Again, they're not... But, if you want to say that I'm 'ignorant in astronomy' (LOL), then believe what you want.

                                Peace,

                                Ahmad

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                                  What was the point of that video? I never said the sun isn't moving; I said it's not orbiting around the Earth. If the concepts of the sun and moon being in motion were divided according to the factors, then there wouldn't be an issue. However, since the Qur'aan says that 'the sun and the moon are running for a term appointed', it implies that they're accomplishing a similar function, even traveling in a similar fashion and direction. Again, they're not... But, if you want to say that I'm 'ignorant in astronomy' (LOL), then believe what you want.

                                  Peace,

                                  Ahmad

                                  Did the quran say the sun is orbiting around the earth ?

                                  'the sun and the moon are running for a term appointed'

                                  Did you understand from this verse that the sun is orbiting earth ?

                                  i don't know even what is your point from presenting this verse,yes god have a purpose from the sun
                                  for the day and it run for a term appointed and similarly the moon is running in its
                                  orbit to reflect the sun's light and running for a term appointed.

                                  where did it say that one is orbiting around the other ?

                                  You are just distorting the meaning to give us an imagination as if it says that the sun is orbiting
                                  the earth,so that is only your conclusion which i heard a lot from the atheists,ring a bell.

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                                    Peace

                                    I have maintained that it is a waste of time as well as energy to research that Quran is a Scientific Miracle at least from the Astrnomical Point of View. The verses of Quran are beautifully arranged rhetoric, well written (revealed) classical literature,

                                    It's pure illusion to extract modern science out of the Quranic Verses and say that it is Comnpatible with Science. IT IS NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA...

                                    Eg.

                                    People Claim that Quran says that Universe is Expanding
                                    Well exactly speaking. Quran says We expand it STEADILY, but recent researches show that Universe is expanding at an ACCELERATING RATE.....

                                    I am not a Scholar of Quran.....other wise the examples could be found in plenty....

                                    I maintain these views on Astronomical Issues. May be the claims made in Biology, or Evolution be true. But they could be false as well. It does not effect the Nature of Quran....bcoz it is NOT A WIKIPEDIA...

                                    Peace
                                    Irfan

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                                      Peace

                                      I have maintained that it is a waste of time as well as energy to research that Quran is a Scientific Miracle at least from the Astrnomical Point of View. The verses of Quran are beautifully arranged rhetoric, well written (revealed) classical literature,

                                      It's pure illusion to extract modern science out of the Quranic Verses and say that it is Comnpatible with Science. IT IS NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA...

                                      Eg.

                                      People Claim that Quran says that Universe is Expanding
                                      Well exactly speaking. Quran says We expand it STEADILY, but recent researches show that Universe is expanding at an ACCELERATING RATE.....

                                      I am not a Scholar of Quran.....other wise the examples could be found in plenty....

                                      I maintain these views on Astronomical Issues. May be the claims made in Biology, or Evolution be true. But they could be false as well. It does not effect the Nature of Quran....bcoz it is NOT A WIKIPEDIA...

                                      Peace
                                      Irfan

                                      Salam,

                                      Did i mention scientific miracles ?

                                      God described the Day and night in beautiful way and the relation between day,night ,sun & moon.

                                      So There is no scientific miracles but those are just signs from God for the wise to believe.

                                      We shall show them Our signs in the horizons and in themselves, till it is clear to them that it is the truth. Suffices it not as to thy Lord, that He is witness over everything? (4153)

                                      Peace
                                      FearGod

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                                        Peace, Irfan.

                                        I have maintained that it is a waste of time as well as energy to research that Quran is a Scientific Miracle at least from the Astrnomical Point of View. The verses of Quran are beautifully arranged rhetoric, well written (revealed) classical literature,

                                        It's pure illusion to extract modern science out of the Quranic Verses and say that it is Comnpatible with Science. IT IS NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA...

                                        Eg.

                                        People Claim that Quran says that Universe is Expanding
                                        Well exactly speaking. Quran says We expand it STEADILY, but recent researches show that Universe is expanding at an ACCELERATING RATE.....

                                        I am not a Scholar of Quran.....other wise the examples could be found in plenty....

                                        I maintain these views on Astronomical Issues. May be the claims made in Biology, or Evolution be true. But they could be false as well. It does not effect the Nature of Quran....bcoz it is NOT A WIKIPEDIA...

                                        I completely agree with this position. Personally, I enjoy reading the Qur'aan, as it's a beautiful literary work, composed of astounding rhetoric. However, to attempt to correlate it with modern science is foolish at best. It's not a scientific textbook, nor was it ever intended to be. It was written from the perspective of the 7th century Arabs, and it's pointless for us to attempt to reconcile it with modern discoveries of the 21st century, as if every imaginable detail of scientific inquiry and exploration are contained within the Qur'aan - although they're coincidentally hidden beneath parables, contextual wording, mathematical miracles, etc...

                                        Thanks for your post.

                                        Peace,

                                        Ahmad

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                                          Peace

                                          Thanks Ahmad

                                          At least there is one thing we both agree on....

                                          Peace and Love
                                          Irfan

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