Is "Salat 5 Times a day" is "Plagiarized" from "Zoroastrianism"???

Harun

Peace People

I just wanted to attract your "free" minds towards this "not so famous" but "important" speculation.

Zoroastrianism, if u don't know is a religion followed in Persia. Zoroaster is its Messenger.

Look at these details -

Remind yourself of the famous weird tale of the Prophet (S) ascending to heavens to meet with Allah, the so-called Me'raaj (the word is non-existent in the Qur?an). Is not Allah Omnipresent? The "Imams" of Hadith want us to believe that Allah finally ordained 5 ritualistic prayers a day after much negotiation.

The later Persian Imams built upon this tale and formulated the current Namaaz. They received strong support from the Persian Zoroastrian mother of Khalifa Haroon Rasheed, Khaizran (d. 789 CE). Haroon's Zoroastrian viziers, the Baramika, were only too happy to join hands with the royal mother, Khaizran.

So, it was she in concert with others who "canonized" Namaaz according to the desires of the Criminal Imams in (787 CE). Her main philosopher was Imam Al-Khalil bin Ahmad Shikoh, the first ever compiler of Arabic to Persian dictionary, Al-'Ain.

Now concentrate at this guys confession.

THE RITUAL PRAYER (NAMAAZ) AND MORE
Ardeshir Spencer

I am a Zoroasrtrian. Dr. Shabbir's research is quite right. Your NAMAAZ was stolen from Zoroastrianism by your Parsi Imams from Persia.

It would be appropriate if we can discuss the startling similarities between some practices of Islam and Zoroastrianism. These parallels go beyond the co-incindental normal ones. I will endeavour to enumerate a few here

Requirements of prayers Islam enjoins its followers to pray 5 times a day and is called by the Muezzin to his prayers.These prayers are at i) Dawn ii) Noon iii) Afternoon iv) Sunset v) Night
Pre-requisites of Prayer On entering the mosque and prior to commencing prayers a Muslim has to cover his head and wash his face and limbs. Similarly, a Zoroastrian on entering the Agiary will cover his head, wash his face and limbs and perform the Padyaab Kusti before commencing his prayers.
The Prayers Prayers in Islam are in Arabic only, though translations/ transliterations are available. The liturgy has to be conducted in Arabic only. In Zoroastrianism too, prayers have to be recited in Avesta or in Pazend only. In fact in Aveatan prayers Pazend portions have to be recited in an undertone so as not to break the seamless flow of Avestan Manthravani.
Sanctum Sanctorum and its veneration The holiest spot in a Mosque is the wall facing Mecca and is called the Qiblah. In the Atashbehram/Agiary the room where the Atash Padshah is enthroned is also called the Keblaah. A Muslim will perform the Sajdah in front of the Qiblah and so also will the Zoroastrian perform the Sezdah before his Keblaah. Both involve kneeling down and touching the forehead to the ground.
A Holy Month In Islam Ramzan is the holy month in which all Muslims are required to fast in the day and only break their fast after sunset. In Zoroastrianism the month of Bahman has similiar connotations wherein all are requested to particularly abstain from flesh. Perhaps in the age of the Sassanian dynasty the month of Bahman was observed as Ramzan is now.
Ascent into Heaven The hagiography of Islam assures us that Prophet Mohammad ascended to heaven from Jerusalem on the mythical beast Burrrak. He crossed the 7 spheres, exchanged greetings with the patriarchs and beheld the glory of God.

The Dinkard tells us that at the entreaties of Asho Zarthustra Bahman Ameshaspand transcendentally elevated his consciousness to the realm of heaven wherein Asho Zarthustra looked at the reflugent majesty of God. A similiar journey was attributed to the virtuous Ardaviraf who visited hell, purgatory and heaven during his spiritual journey.

The above similarities are obvious. A more careful research would reveal more parallels. However even these points are too close to be dismissed as mere coincidences. This means Zoroastrianism has had an enormous impact on Islam which is not acknowledged. Everyone agrees Islam owes a lot to Judaism and Christianity but I feel that the scholars of Islam borrowed very heavily from Iran and this can be perhaps attributed to that shadowy figure of Dastur Dinyar (Salman Farsi). This debt is so impressive that it had to be consistently downgraded and later denied. After all if Islam is supposedly directly inspired by God it cannot be seen to be acknowledging any debt to an older faith, specially the faith of a nation which Islam has defeated. This may perhaps explain the devotion of your Persian Imams to my Faith.

Just try to concentrate on these facts all those who consider Salat a Five Times a Day ritual.

I am not saying anything like "its not a 5 times a day ritual etc". I just urge you to see this glaring contrast and post yor views here.

Peace
Harun.

P.S. The confession is a Copy Paste from this Forum only. It had been posted in 2007.

noshirk

salaam harun

Thank you for the post.
i wished there was a zoroaster in this forum.

peace

Harun

salaam harun

Thank you for the post.
i wished there was a zoroaster in this forum.

peace

Peace Bro Noshirk,

But I am not at all clarified.....I mean is this evidence enough to show that the Salat 5 times a day is an innovation....???

Thats why I want to see the opinions of other people....

Peace and greetings
Harun...

noshirk

Peace Bro Noshirk,

But I am not at all clarified.....I mean is this evidence enough to show that the Salat 5 times a day is an innovation....???

Thats why I want to see the opinions of other people....

Peace and greetings
Harun...

Salaam Harun
Ritual 5 daily salat towards a cubic stone in a city called Mecca contradicts completeness claim of quran. I wrote a complicated post on this in science topic.
Not in quran implies it is innovation. No need to search more.
Peace

mirjamnur

Salam
in Christianity and Judaism we can found the mention of five prayers on day plus voluntary in the night-it is questionable whether these resemblances point to a
common pagan origin or
to a common divine origin???

and the question restarts what means SALAT in the Quran?? i wish good luck to found the answer )
Sorry, and peace and may God accept us whatever we pray and how and how often we pray or when we not pray...
peace

Harun

Peace Mirjamnur (is it your real name??)

I will surely believe to you that it is written in the Bible and the Toireh if you can bring the verses pointing out that. I mean evidence.

And thanks for the prayers...

May Lord guide us to Peace pr pr pr

Peace
Harun

mirjamnur

Salam Harun

Peace Mirjamnur (is it your real name??)

I will surely believe to you that it is written in the Bible and the Toireh if you can bring the verses pointing out that. I mean evidence.

And thanks for the prayers...

May Lord guide us to Peace pr pr pr

Peace
Harun

My 'real' name is Simone )

we found in the torah and in the psalms the order as in the Quran to praise God everytime, or all the day. In the new Testament we found in the gospels, that Jesus prayed in the 1.3.6.9. hour.
i read before an article that states, that the old Jewish Community practiced five daily prayers but for practical reasons they allegedly them grouped to three prayers. (based on the fact that the former victims later became prayers). But unfortunatly i can't found it again -

As you see the link to the bible .

but the link in the gospels isn't a prove, because the gospels (NT) is not the Enjeel. So it seems that this liturgy of the hours can be build also on tradition and not guidance from the scripture... (

so in the end, i end as i start with a big ???
peace and i will continue to pray for enlightment yes

noshirk

Peace All

Zoroastrianism was the religion of the Great Cyrus II.
Cyrus II released Jews in babylone and permitted the construction of the second temple.
The Mishnah and the Gemara (of Talmud Babylon) were written under Persian political rulers.

For Christians, the Mithra cult on wich was based the Christian theology is a branch of Zoroastrianism. Mithra Cult was followed by Romans legions. Emperor Constantin reunified religion in his empire in the council of Nicee, and made a great mix of Judaism, christianism and Mithra cult.

For Muslims, The Abbasid dynasty was ruled by old Zoroaster?s family. Many great vizirs were issued from the Zoroaster family of Barmakids. The mother of Harun Al Rashid was an ally of barmakid family and inspired Shehrazade in the famous 1001 Nights.
It is the Abbasid caliph Marouan who first told Imam Malek to compile Hadiths. Imam malek died under the reign of Harun Al Rashid. All great compilers of Hadiths appeared during abbasid dynasties and had Zorosater Background. Bukhari was Persian. Imam Muslim was Persian. Tabari was Persian. Abu Dawud was Persian. Tirmidhi was Persian.

peace

Salaam All
Zoroasters are everywhere
Peace