We are God
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Salam Huruf
This is not something that I can recall from memory. It is something that I have arrived at after all my readings, Qur'an inlcuded, of course. It is inexact, because anything to do with God will be, we cannot encompass Him, so anything we say is bound to be for our own limited use, not a statement of a fact about which we know everything.
Think of it, it is the ony thing left after you discard all that cannot be. It is an expresion of that which is left. Inaccurate, but approximate. to give na idea. Or, if not, what are we? what is everything. That we are not God, we know, but that we are apart from God, would it be possible? Nothing is apart from God. If God did not sustain the universes a single instant they would drop from existence. They do not exist by themselves.
I think this would be upheld by the Qur'an in many ayas, but I wouldn't be able to recall now this and that.
Salaam
i think for the Aya where God says to the malaika that He will create a khalifa a human- he will create as he create the whole universe before- with His AMR- under this special order everything comes to existence- as He create a big theatre and the humans are the principal actors, more, everyone is THE principal actor in his own special theatre (illusion)
He create all things and create every human with special RUH as a part from His special power- everyone became one little thing and if we will put all together, we will found all the characters/parts from God together.
But after i think about what i write now, i think it's go in the same direction- then our dreams show us the sampe principle there we create with our imagination a new life a new 'real' life.
So i will rethink again and reflect about what you said- thank you and
Salam ) -
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God made us, we are part of his creation. But although creation came from god we also know from the Qur?an(4211) that God is not like anything.
So there must be a separation between God and his creation. Although creation came from God.
see also 618Also if we assume we are part of god without the separation of God -- creation.
that would mean God = all of creation combinedthat leaves no space for god. I mean who is running everything then ?
And can't God exist outside of his creation ?(I posted this on another thread but I think it is still relevant here)
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Peace
We are God.
Why believe in God.
Determinism and God.
What is God?
What is god?
What are gods?I am more than happy that people here are truely freeminded. Quran encourages us to be one.
Socrates, Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Harun , Muhammad.....were all great philosophers......they discussed and found out the truth...
Lololol......bear with me.....
Typical Sunni Forum Posts Example...
Why believe in God?
First Response Brother, please don't listen to atheists, they are confused people, please don't lose your aquida rotfl rotfl rotfl......God and Deteminism?
First Response Brother don't get into any philosophical tension, it can ruin your iman.. rotfl rotfl rotflDoes God Exist?
First Response Get out of this forum now, u are trying to ruin the mazhab and FAITH of the mumins... rotfl rotfl rotflI thank the Lord that people here do exist....
If u really are a muslim, at one point of time u were a hardcore....atheist, or christian or hindu...etc....
Peace
Sorry to waste ur space and time...
Harun -
This is not something that I can recall from memory. It is something that I have arrived at after all my readings, Qur'an inlcuded, of course. It is inexact, because anything to do with God will be, we cannot encompass Him, so anything we say is bound to be for our own limited use, not a statement of a fact about which we know everything.
Think of it, it is the ony thing left after you discard all that cannot be. It is an expresion of that which is left. Inaccurate, but approximate. to give na idea. Or, if not, what are we? what is everything. That we are not God, we know, but that we are apart from God, would it be possible? Nothing is apart from God. If God did not sustain the universes a single instant they would drop from existence. They do not exist by themselves.
I think this would be upheld by the Qur'an in many ayas, but I wouldn't be able to recall now this and that.
Salaam
Refer to Nirvikalpa Samadhi - http//www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi/
God is Sat-Chid-Ananda Al-Haqq = As-Saheed = As-Saqur
Sat = Truth
Chid = Consciousness
Ananda = BlissThis is the nature of God. Abide in this nature and there ceases to be an idea of your own self.
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4211
God made us, we are part of his creation. But although creation came from god we also know from the Qur?an(4211) that God is not like anything.
So there must be a separation between God and his creation. Although creation came from God.
see also 618Also if we assume we are part of god without the separation of God -- creation.
that would mean God = all of creation combinedthat leaves no space for god. I mean who is running everything then ?
And can't God exist outside of his creation ?(I posted this on another thread but I think it is still relevant here)
Are your dreams part of you or are they something else? Are you your dreams, or are your dreams you? ?do your dreams exist?
Are you = all your dreams combined?
Salaam
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Peace be with you,
I think Inayat Khan and writings of insight on Creator and creation and can they really be separate as God has no boundaries infinite
Yes all guidance comes from God and Quran is His word. But writings of Khan and Ahmed Hulusi helped me understand nature as God tells me to look at nature's signs.
It seems to me Quran shows panentheism.
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Are your dreams part of you or are they something else? Are you your dreams, or are your dreams you? ?do your dreams exist?
Are you = all your dreams combined?
Salaam
There is a part of me that will always be able to create new dreams and that part cannot be a dream.
Peace.
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Everywhere there is the presence of God, and nowhere is there no presence of God.
God is not separate from I or you - therefore I am God and you are God, we are all God!
Discuss....
Salam Alaykum, everyone.
This thread is a joke, right? -X
I submit myself to the Lord of the universe. hail
peace
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We are a dream of God. We have no real existence, but because God thinks us.
Salam Hurufcan you give evidence from the Quran? i think i read this statement before...but from where??
peaceMaybe Hindu theology? That's where I first heard this viewpoint. It states that the world is a dream of the god Vishnu. But it pops up in a lot of mythology, too.
Also, maybe semi-related; in Alice in Wonderland when Alice finds the Red King asleep, she's warned not to wake him up because he's dreaming about her and if he wakes up she won't exist anymore. I had a teacher who gave me a pretty good argument about how that scene may be related to the "god dream" theory.
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Peace.
Everywhere there is the presence of God, and nowhere is there no presence of God.
God is not separate from I or you - therefore I am God and you are God, we are all God!
Discuss....
I can partially agree with this notion, depending on the context...
Now, don't mistake my words I'm not saying that any human person is the 'whole' of ALLAH. However, if God exists everywhere and in everything, then we can reasonably be considered parts (pieces/fragments) of ALLAH. That's why the Qur'aan says that we will all eventually "return" to him; this implies that, at one time, we were conjoined (e.g. 'one'/united) with him, and that we will go back to this state of being sometime in the future. Indeed, ALLAH is one; but ultimately, everything is one collective mechanism (e.g. the Universe), and we're merely fragments of the whole.
If we equate ALLAH with the Universe (or other impersonal factors and forces, such as energy, existence, truth, light, etc.), then we can rationally conclude that we're part of ALLAH - we've merely become separated from him/it, perhaps due to "sin"; and we'll eventually be returned to him/it, possibly after we die. Again, that's just one way of looking at things...
Peace,
Ahmad
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Salaam,
Not accurate according to my experience, but I like the approach and I might have been agreeing with it 10-15 years ago when I was more into another kind of religious thinking.
The only way we can be like God is with the Holy Spirit, define the term the way you like, but it is like "the Force" in Star Wars or something alike. Incredibly powerful it is.
jedi
So in part we can be used as Gods, but we are definitely no Gods. Being strong in the Force feels good nevertheless.
God bless you
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Refer to Nirvikalpa Samadhi - http//www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/concentration_meditation_contemplation/samadhi/
God is Sat-Chid-Ananda Al-Haqq = As-Saheed = As-Saqur
Sat = Truth
Chid = Consciousness
Ananda = BlissThis is the nature of God. Abide in this nature and there ceases to be an idea of your own self.
Thank you IAMOP for posting the link. I have just read it, and am in agreement with most of the points written by Sri Chinmoy in that article.
But this is about all meditation. In the Qur-an, it is termed as "bayt" (something that you do every night). It is mentioned in Chapter 73 (http//quran.com/73). In this chapter we are commanded to meditate on the Qur-an (the Qur-an that was revealed to Muhammad the nabiyy, and also our personal Qur-an or personally received revelations).
However, the meditation on God is introduced in Chapter 68 (http//quran.com/68). We are commanded to call on God "on waking up from sleep" (musbiheen). Please read/study the verses starting from 6817 until 4634. So if we were to be sharp (in mind) we should meditate on God on waking up from every sleep or slumber. Even God may make "a visit/an occurance" (ta-ifun). But if we were not into meditation then this is a very strange concept/idea.
For "practitioners of meditation" (ahlu albayt), this is however a highly possible incident/event, as already explained by Sri Chinmoy in his excellent article.
'Meditation in the Qur-an' is a topic that I am currently writing for discussions in 'Sufism Without Borders' (on yahoogroups). And I hope to post the same article on FM too, since I have noticed that past discussions on 'meditation' in FM has been somewhat sporadic.
In the intended article i will, insha allah, be discussing on the origins and types of meditations, perhaps on how to perform meditations, the objectives and benefits, as well as what could happen to us when we perform meditations. The meditations by Moosa will undoubtedly be a special highlight, as also the meditations by Muhammad the nabiyy.
I will post the article as soon as possible but i sensed that it may take a week or two, or perhaps even a month or two to prepare based on the notes that I have made in my studies of the Qur-an.
May God guide us all correctly.
Cheers!
Mohammed Nohp.s.
This (http//www.srichinmoy.org/spirituality/god_the_supreme/communing/index.html) is an excellent article, methinks, by the same author. I hope you guys will enjoy it, but above all, get the necessary pointers regarding the title of this thread. Cheers!
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Peace Joe Betik,
It is a good topic to be philosophizing about, meditation can be quite important for the religious development, please keep up your research. I am meditating as often as I can, but now recently I have felt like my life is a meditation, I am living in the static of the holy spirit, I can feel it while I am on my bed ready to sleep.
I tell people to read as much as you can of the Quran and then meditate and reflect upon what you have learned. Never be embarrassed asking God questions when you cannot understand something in the Quran, for God will give you the answer sooner or later. Getting deep is a sort of meditation, living on the surface of life is not.
I am looking forward to read the research article you will come up with soon, like you said in your post, for I am certain I still have a thing or two to learn about meditation, because I doubt I will ever get fully learned. As long as no idol worship is involved, I am all eager ears.
God bless you for your divine duty and may you prosper in life. God speed.
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You are not God because God is THE UNIQUE ONE. Thus none is like Him while there are plainty of humans like you.
God is Eternal and above time and space. You, on the other hand, you're are a mortal living within time and space.
Thus, desist! GOD IS ONE, not 2, nor 3, let alone +7 Billion!!! -
Salaam,
In a way we are part of God, but we are not God. Since everything belongs to God we are part of Him. From Him we have come, to Him we shall return.
God bless you
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And to God belong the east and the west, so wherever you turn, there is the face of God. God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
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Peace, hicham9.
You are not God because God is THE UNIQUE ONE. Thus none is like Him while there are plainty of humans like you.
God is Eternal and above time and space. You, on the other hand, you're are a mortal living within time and space.
Thus, desist! GOD IS ONE, not 2, nor 3, let alone +7 Billion!!!How is God "one", as in 'one person', but 'above time and space'? If God is "unique", completely unlike anything else, then what is he?
You said that he's unique, but you also stated that he's "eternal". Yet, energy is also eternal (see the first law of thermodynamics). Doesn't this mean that there is something else 'like' God? The Quran states that God is knowledgeable, wise, merciful and compassionate. Humans can also manifest these qualities. So, wouldn't that make them 'like' God in some respects? Can you elaborate on your position? Thanks.
Peace,
Ahmad