SALAM : NEVER SAY
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The God is ONE, we are all manifest parts of the WHOLE. ALL is WITHIN us, that is where the journey is, WITHIN. Because we are only parts of the WHOLE, we are not the WHOLE itself. Think of an Ocean, and PARTS of the ocean have frozen into icebergs. The icebergs see themselves as seperate beings, yet they are of the same substance as all other icebergs and the water itself. But in saying that, a tiny drop of water does not have the POWER of the Ocean. That is a crude analogy, but helps explain my position.
If the journey is within, then we are entering into the most minute, miniscule, microscopic part of only the parts, of the wholesome. Then you say ALL is WITHIN us; you also say we are manifest parts of the WHOLE. Which of it is correct? Please never give worldly examples to understand God. Your knowledge will be very lowly and shall not reach up to the Wisdom of the Almighty. See below, a warning from Allah!
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
Let us get into the unseen; you are speaking about mind, the unseen; i am speaking about the wisdom, the unseen. Be positive. We will meet at some point. Then we will see each other clearly. I see that occasion near.
I look foward to it
idolfree I am not stating that by saying "peace be upon you" that we can actually give that other person peace, NO, but it is like planting a seed in the ground. We hope that one day the person would wake up and that seed would grow.
See, we are the same, but our approaches are difdrent! I leave the matter of "peace" to Allah with hope; whereas you plant the seed with hope. You believe in mind and i believe in wisdom. We will meet at some point! May Allah Bless.
I believe in both mind and wisdom, and I follow the instruction to greet with the purposeful greeting of "Peace".
See again! you ask me to be patient when i have never stepped out of my patience and composure. There is a sense of superiority in you i suppose, i may be wrong though. Any way do not prematurely conclude on anything.
No, not a sense of superiority, I am just trying to figure out what causes you to say things that I naver said, this has happens way too many times for me to count. Just like above, you stated about me that I believe in Mind, while you believe in wisdom, and stated that we will meet one day. That is misleading because it leads one to believe that I don't believe in wisdom, only "mind", so I assume it is impatience on your part, why else would you offer a statement as if it is true, when I have said no such thing? I do not think you purposelly do it, so I remind you to be patient so that it does not continue to happen.
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Peace be upon yo Doctor,
We manifest from the God ?
Or, we came into being by the command of God ?We are the ONE manifest through many, if you disagree, show me one particle where the God does not reside. The command comes from THAT which percieves. So we manifest from the God by His command, yes.
I agree. There is no peace except with Him and unless we seek from Him there is no peace.
Agreed.
We came from the undifferentiated energy matter ?
Sure
And we return to the same undifferentiated energy matter ?
Seems logical, I don't know what was before that that we might return to.
Do we disperse and disintegrate ?
From dust to dust
And we are not to be gathered again ?
Yes, we are to be gathered again.
State the Source, the ayat from Quran. Please explain. Like man is created, energy and matter are also created things by the Order from the High Command and hence these cannot be the source for human creation.
Isn't water created? Yet it is stated that all things were created from water. Why do you assume that the energy an matter being spoken about is the absolute beginning? I can only take it as far as possible, I cannot even begint to understand THAT which percieves, I can only disuss that which is percieved.
We are created by Him by the same command, "Be!" since there is no change whatsoever in His manner of creation 3030.
I agree and I said nothing different than that.
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SO getting back to Peace, it is the essential nature of ALL THINGS, even the ones that don't know it, so isn't it wise to greet with PEACE, even to those who reject?even the ones that don't know 'peace' ... What ? And you say "Peace!" to the monkeys and donkeys too even if they do not know what it is ? Will you say to the nature around you "Peace"?
Yes, I say it to all humans in the hopes that one day they will awaken and understand. Here is an example of that mindset fronm the reading(quran).
(126 And when they entered in the manner their father had enjoined, it did not profit them in the least against (the plan of) Allah It was but a necessity of Jacob's mind, which he discharged. For he was, by our instruction, full of knowledge (and experience) but most men know not.
So was it wrong for Jacob to "SAY" to his sons what they could not understand, at least not yet? Please answer.
Also, what is the following verse telling us to do?
(2563) ...and when the ignorant address them, they say, 'Peace!'
Will the ignorant be able to understand what we "SAY"? Yet we are told to SAY "peace". Please explain how your position fits with the above evidence.
PEACE is never an essential nature of ANYTHING except for man for 'Peace is Mind-Soul oriented'. When Allah calls to the heavens and the earth and say "Willingly or unwillingly come together", they said "We come together willingly". Choice was not given to anything but to the "mind of man" for man alone has the "mind of choice". Peace or torment is the recompensation for the action of "man with the mind of choice". The nature has no "mind of choice" at all.
The God is ONE, therefore ALL THINGS have PEACE as thier essential nature. Are mountains, animals and all other things besides man OUTSIDE of the God?
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(2563) ...and when the ignorant speak to them, they only say "peace"When the ignorants address us with mockery we have nothing to speak to them, for they had already lost their minds and souls - so that they can never get anywhere near the Wisdom. Turn towards your ownself now saying to yourself, "PEACE" seeking it earnestly from the All-Hearing and All-Knowing. See below When we see and hear the ignorants addressing us and mocking us, the faithful, "Say Peace!" Allah stops there. He does not say, "Say Peace!" to the ignorants.
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And the servants of Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say, "Peace!"Whcih means they say their prayers, remembering Allah more, seeking the "Peace!" from their Lord.
I ask you again to look at the example of Jacob saying to his sons what they could not yet understand.
Brother, I ask you to ponder on one thing, the message of the God is designed to lead us OUT OF DARKNESS into Light. How can we be led out of darkness if those with light refrain from sharing the info? What was the duty of the messengers? What good is "preaching to the converted"?
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Peace be upon you,
If the journey is within, then we are entering into the most minute, miniscule, microscopic part of only the parts, of the wholesome.
We are going to the SOURCE, not to the physical molecule.
Then you say ALL is WITHIN us; you also say we are manifest parts of the WHOLE. Which of it is correct?
Both, we are INDIVIDUALS, that is, indivisible duality. DO not seperate what he God commanded to be joined.
Please never give worldly examples to understand God. Your knowledge will be very lowly and shall not reach up to the Wisdom of the Almighty. See below, a warning from Allah!
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YUSUFALI Invent not similitudes for Allah for Allah knoweth, and ye know not.What is the Arabic word that you have translated as "Invent"?
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
I believe in both mind and wisdom, and I follow the instruction to greet with the purposeful greeting of "Peace".Both are not opposites then, right? One form needs the help of another form for confirmation, for anyone who need strengthening his wisdom. If one can get at the wisdom straight, he needs no confirmation from the other form. But you keep refusing to accept me atleast at my level when i denounce knowledge/mind. May be for you it is unacceptable; but you failed to appreciate that it is possible for any one to get at the wisdom without the aid of mind/knowledge who might have been endowed. So there is a clear stand of ability to appreciate/not appreciate; that is it! it does not mean i have issued statements against you and that you must immediately pounce upon me, losing your patience that made you feel as if i was impatient. D It is a discuusion board. None can issue statements here. Look at what you state here
No, not a sense of superiority, I am just trying to figure out what causes you to say things that I naver said, this has happens way too many times for me to count. Just like above, you stated about me that I believe in Mind, while you believe in wisdom, and stated that we will meet one day. That is misleading because it leads one to believe that I don't believe in wisdom, only "mind", so I assume it is impatience on your part, why else would you offer a statement as if it is true, when I have said no such thing? I do not think you purposelly do it, so I remind you to be patient so that it does not continue to happen. D
Hmmmm.
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Peace drfazl,
Sorry for the delay...
If, as you say the "intention is the key", then, the 'key' is sure to open the gate and lead one towards salam.
Yes, that is the intention.
We see most people enter into the chat rooms/discussion rooms saying 'salaams' and 'wa salaams' invariably endingup with scoffs and jeers.
I don't see that. In fact, I see quite the opposite. I often see disagreement, but almost always ending in peace, aka, salam. This in turn leads to mutual respect and spiritual growth.
Is it dignifying to Allah or is it abuse of His names?
Why are these the only choices? I sincerely doubt that there is a soul on this board who greets with "salam" with the intention of abusing Allah's name. The intention is to greet in a peaceful manner, and bid farewell in a peaceful manner. This is a reminder that one should remain at peace, even while debating- nothing more, nothing less. The intention is good.
Allah clearly says if one receives any good it is from HIM for his righteousness; and if one receives any bad it is due to his own wrong doings. We shall have to value our own virtue first before praying for SALAM for anyone.
This has nothing to do with praying. It is a greeting.
The intention is only at the mind level.
I disagree. My intention is not a calculated decision. Intention is powered by emotion, and in this case, the emotion is one of peace.
Saying salam is a lip service compared to praying for salam to all, all the time, keeping in mind the restrictions set by Allah.
Yes, and it is lip service compared to spending one's entire lifetime doing volunteer work for the hungry. It is lipservice compared to sacrificing a kidney. But alone, greeting with peace is just that.
Using this same methodology, I could tell you that saying "I Love You" to your children is lipservice compared to feeding, nurturing, educating, and looking after them when they are sick. Does this make "I Love You" lipservice on it's own?
We use Allah's name where there is Praise for Allah's Dignity, Wisdom, Truth, Power, Forgiveness, Benevolance and so on..
Yes, but saying "peace be upon you" is in fact a lawful greeting.
654 When those who believe in Our Revelations come to you, say, SALAMUN ALAIKUM (Peace be upon you!) Your Lord has decreed for Himself Mercy. Thus anyone among you who commits a bad deed out of ignorance, and then repents and makes amends should know that He is Forgiving, Merciful.
If only Al Salam, one of the names of Allah for instance, is used with its sanctity well preserved and guarded in the heart of a mumin, and if only Allah had recognized such truth in your heart, salamath would have descended in the hearts of the people you wish for.
Inshallah!
It is blasphemous to use salam as lipservice.
It is blasphemous to assume the intentions of others. And how else would one know if the words on the screen are lip-service or heart-felt greetings? It is also blasphemous to call unlawful what has been made lawful.
May peace be upon you,
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Peace drfazl,
Why are these the only choices? I sincerely doubt that there is a soul on this board who greets with "salam" with the intention of abusing Allah's name. The intention is to greet in a peaceful manner, and bid farewell in a peaceful manner. This is a reminder that one should remain at peace, even while debating- nothing more, nothing less. The intention is good.(654) And if those who have faith came to you with Our signs, so say "peace upon you, your Lord decreed on Himself the mercy, that who from you did evil with ignorance/foolishness, then he repented from after it, and corrected/repaired, so that He truly is a forgiver, merciful."
I want to draw your attention to the above part of the ayat shown in blue
Those who have Faith
The meaning of the phrase given above is those who have belief in the Unseen(the Highest Wisdom) and fear for the Unseen(the Highest Wisdom); they who believe and fear SUCH AUTHORITY shall always be seeking, unassuming and forbearing. These subservient bondsmen of Allah when they make their visit there will be peaceful semblance in the atmosphere; upon their faces will be the glow and brightness of obedience to allah; and in their words we will find the order of dignity; such are the people with IMAN, that which we shall come to know not at the very first sight. Hence we shall not say "Assalamu Alaikkum " to a stranger. Salam shall have to be said only if we are satisfied that a visitor or a stranger has the above qualities in him.Those who have faith came to you with Our signs
What are the SIGNS of ALLAH that we have to look for, in a visitor or a stranger when he says 'salam' to you, before you returning your salam? This is a question for you to answer. If we never look for such SIGNS from ALLAH in a person before we say 'salam' to him in return, it indeed is not keeping up our FAITH.Allah clearly says if one receives any good it is from HIM for his righteousness; and if one receives any bad it is due to his own wrong doings. We shall have to value our own virtue first before praying for SALAM for anyone.
This has nothing to do with praying. It is a greeting.
Prayer and greeting in the name of allah are different ? You wish some one good by your greetings? Can you impart good on someone unless Allah grants it?
The intention is only at the mind level.
I disagree. My intention is not a calculated decision. Intention is powered by emotion, and in this case, the emotion is one of peace.
What strength of power do you think your emotion has to realise your greetings on someone? Allah says He alone can bestow Peace in the hearts! What is your opinion on this? You think your powerful greeting of peace, geared by emotion has the same benefit?
Saying salam is a lip service compared to praying for salam to all, all the time, keeping in mind the restrictions set by Allah.
Yes, and it is lip service compared to spending one's entire lifetime doing volunteer work for the hungry. It is lipservice compared to sacrificing a kidney. But alone, greeting with peace is just that.
You have clearly differentiated the lip service and action. Lipservice such as "Peace be upon you" has no power but action has. Speak up a lot about 'faith' that you have rehearsed and recited to serve peace, spend your life time, saying on Allah's benevolence upon us as a recompense to our faith in Him, to serve peace. Is donating kidney the same as keeping the original? If only you work to instill 'Faith in Allah', in his own true tone, allah would have saved His original kidneys. And this might bring him the 'intended peace'. All of us know the kidneys donated thinking that you do good, will be rejected as destiend by allah's command. If any good that shall come it comes from allah alone.
Using this same methodology, I could tell you that saying "I Love You" to your children is lipservice compared to feeding, nurturing, educating, and looking after them when they are sick. Does this make "I Love You" lipservice on it's own?
You love them and nurture them and they fall sick sometimes to such severity that you turn to Allah in grief and sorrow and pray for the wellness of your kith and kin. In the name of Allah you pray for speedy recovery. You do not wish them " Peace! I wish you Recovery! " Rather you will only say, " May god Bless You!" " May He send upon you speedy recovery!" You rightly said you are only looking after them until God gives them the cure. Your intention however powered by emotion will not do. You only shall pray in all humiity to God. And you will have to wait in patience until He shows His Mercy. He may or may not. It is His discretion.
We use Allah's name where there is Praise for Allah's Dignity, Wisdom, Truth, Power, Forgiveness, Benevolance and so on..
Yes, but saying "peace be upon you" is in fact a lawful greeting.
'Lawful' means? Has allah granted such permit to all ? And you are a party when such permission was granted? That one can use their emotion on anyone they wish so that they receive peace at the mere mentioning - 'peace!' and all that they aught to do to execute it is to 'generate the emotion'?
It is blasphemous to use salam as lipservice.
It is blasphemous to assume the intentions of others. And how else would one know if the words on the screen are lip-service or heart-felt greetings? It is also blasphemous to call unlawful what has been made lawful.
Even if your intentions are good, Allah says unless He allows Good, no peace shall ever enter anyone's heart. To consider 'my intentions shall be His intentions as well' is blasphemous, for sure!
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Peace drfazl,
You asked
This is a question for you to answer. If we never look for such SIGNS from ALLAH in a person before we say 'salam' to him in return, it indeed is not keeping up our FAITH.
I understand your point completely and I agree. But what I do not agree with is in not giving folks the benefit of the doubt, especially when people approach with peace.
Your understanding of "those who have faith" is indeed comprehensive, and that is your right. But it is my right to not hold everyone to the same golden standard. In my intial contact with a person, I greet with peace. And more often than not, the gesture is returned. Usually, this groundwork remains as we evolve in our relationships. We may disagree, but we remain peaceful and respectful, because that is my intention, and the intention of those whom I interact with.
2284 To God belongs everything in the heavens and the earth. Whether you declare your innermost thoughts, or keep them hidden, GOD holds you responsible for them...
Here we see the power and importance of intention, even though you call it a process of the mind, as if this is a simple or bad thing. It is not bad nor simple. Intention is what seperates the good from the bad.
I will reiterate for the sake of clarity
My intention in greeting with "peace be upon you" is not to grant peace. It is not to insult Allah. It is not to invoke the magic of Allah onto someone. It is only a warm gesture. It is a reminder to myself and to those whom I speak with to remain peaceful.
What is wrong with that?
May peace be upon you,
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Peace drfazl,
You asked
This is a question for you to answer. If we never look for such SIGNS from ALLAH in a person before we say 'salam' to him in return, it indeed is not keeping up our FAITH.I understand your point completely and I agree. But what I do not agree with is in not giving folks the benefit of the doubt, especially when people approach with peace.
What i do not understand is, 'who are we to give the benefit whether doubtful or not?' If at all peace comes it is from Allah alone. Allah listens to one's heart and knows the hidden secrets of us. If our hearts are truthful with fear for Allah His reward as perfect recompense is " Peace!" Again who are we to give peace except that we pray for the same. I am only discussing; not to interfere with anyone's right.
Your understanding of "those who have faith" is indeed comprehensive, and that is your right. But it is my right to not hold everyone to the same golden standard. In my intial contact with a person, I greet with peace. And more often than not, the gesture is returned. Usually, this groundwork remains as we evolve in our relationships. We may disagree, but we remain peaceful and respectful, because that is my intention, and the intention of those whom I interact with.
It is not my intention to interfere with any one's right to stick to his community's 'golden standards'. And I prefer no comments on it. What we have here is discussion, not forcing a change in the ways of each other. If one wishes to change ways it is his personal change in standards.
2284 To God belongs everything in the heavens and the earth. Whether you declare your innermost thoughts, or keep them hidden, GOD holds you responsible for them...
Here we see the power and importance of intention, even though you call it a process of the mind, as if this is a simple or bad thing. It is not bad nor simple. Intention is what seperates the good from the bad.
Allah says this
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And Allah's are the best names, therefore call on Him thereby, and leave alone those who violate the sanctity of His names; they shall be recompensed for what they did.Salam is one of Allah's names is what I wanted to rehearse. Never Say SALAAM was for those who might have forgotten or who might have over looked an ayat that strongly warns agaisnt using His Names unjustfiedly. If you say you saying 'Peace!' is not invoking His Name since it is the standard worldly practice, you know what you mean by it better than me.
I will reiterate for the sake of clarity
My intention in greeting with "peace be upon you" is not to grant peace. It is not to insult Allah. It is not to invoke the magic of Allah onto someone. It is only a warm gesture. It is a reminder to myself and to those whom I speak with to remain peaceful.
What is wrong with that?
"Not to grant Peace!" Well said. We are speaking the same point in different languages, for a very long time now!
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
I believe in both mind and wisdom, and I follow the instruction to greet with the purposeful greeting of "Peace".Both are not opposites then, right? One form needs the help of another form for confirmation, for anyone who need strengthening his wisdom. If one can get at the wisdom straight, he needs no confirmation from the other form. But you keep refusing to accept me atleast at my level when i denounce knowledge/mind.
If someone can get at widsom directly, that would be great, but how could one be so arrogant as to forget about those who DO need knowledge to get to wisdom? How can one be so arrogant to reject knowledge when the God tells us clearly to seek increse in knowledge?
May be for you it is unacceptable; but you failed to appreciate that it is possible for any one to get at the wisdom without the aid of mind/knowledge who might have been endowed.
No, you are wrong, I do accept that one can get intuition straight from the God. If I did not beleive that then I could not believe in prophets. What I do not accept is your disregard for knowledge.
So there is a clear stand of ability to appreciate/not appreciate; that is it!
Just make sure that YOU are clear of what I appreciate and don't appreciate as it seems you are not clear.
it does not mean i have issued statements against you and that you must immediately pounce upon me, losing your patience that made you feel as if i was impatient. It is a discuusion board. None can issue statements here.
Yes, this is a forum for debate, not arguing. You presented a point that knowledge is basically worthless, I totally disagree and I am debating you on this. You have yet to give a clear reason why you disregard knowledge even though the God has told us to seek increase in knowledge.
Look at what you state here
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No, not a sense of superiority, I am just trying to figure out what causes you to say things that I naver said, this has happens way too many times for me to count. Just like above, you stated about me that I believe in Mind, while you believe in wisdom, and stated that we will meet one day. That is misleading because it leads one to believe that I don't believe in wisdom, only "mind", so I assume it is impatience on your part, why else would you offer a statement as if it is true, when I have said no such thing? I do not think you purposelly do it, so I remind you to be patient so that it does not continue to happen.Hmmmm.
Hmmmm what? I am telling you to please stop making assumptions about me and stating them as truths. Whats the hmmm for?
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Peace be upon you,
The God has told us to say "peace be upon you " to those who have faith and has told us to leave the ignorant with "Peace".
Yes, Peace comes from the God, does that mean we do not say it out our mouths? What then do we recite ANY of this redaing(quran) for? Why did the prophets and messengers SAY anything then? Do words have NO POWER? Perhaps you should abstain from speaking for three days as did Mary and Zacaraiah, THEN you would learn the POWER of words.
The Mind is a thing that PROGRAMMED, that is why the God says that He does not change the condition of a people UNTIL THEY CHANGE what is in thier MINDS.
What do you think would be the result of a scientific test where each day, a person was greeted with the words " Go to hell", and another with "Peace", do you think there will be a noticeable difference?
Ask the advertising agencies if words and pictures mean nothing, ask them why they spend millions for 30 seconds of NOTHING.
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If someone can get at widsom directly, that would be great, but how could one be so arrogant as to forget about those who DO need knowledge to get to wisdom? How can one be so arrogant to reject knowledge when the God tells us clearly to seek increse in knowledge?
idolfree,
We start with what knowledge is? what Wisdom is? Wherefrom the knowledge arise? Wherefrom the Wisdom arise? What is the use of knowledge? What is the reality of Wisdom? we take one question after another.Assuming that you agree and are interested, I start with knowledge.
Knowledge Whatever we are taught with objective materials is knowledge.
I ignore answering all the rest of your replies from below this point, for, we have to seriously settle some understanding before embarking on discussions.
drfazl
May be for you it is unacceptable; but you failed to appreciate that it is possible for any one to get at the wisdom without the aid of mind/knowledge who might have been endowed.
No, you are wrong, I do accept that one can get intuition straight from the God. If I did not beleive that then I could not believe in prophets. What I do not accept is your disregard for knowledge.
So there is a clear stand of ability to appreciate/not appreciate; that is it!
Just make sure that YOU are clear of what I appreciate and don't appreciate as it seems you are not clear.
it does not mean i have issued statements against you and that you must immediately pounce upon me, losing your patience that made you feel as if i was impatient. It is a discuusion board. None can issue statements here.
Yes, this is a forum for debate, not arguing. You presented a point that knowledge is basically worthless, I totally disagree and I am debating you on this. You have yet to give a clear reason why you disregard knowledge even though the God has told us to seek increase in knowledge.
Look at what you state here
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No, not a sense of superiority, I am just trying to figure out what causes you to say things that I naver said, this has happens way too many times for me to count. Just like above, you stated about me that I believe in Mind, while you believe in wisdom, and stated that we will meet one day. That is misleading because it leads one to believe that I don't believe in wisdom, only "mind", so I assume it is impatience on your part, why else would you offer a statement as if it is true, when I have said no such thing? I do not think you purposelly do it, so I remind you to be patient so that it does not continue to happen.Hmmmm.
Hmmmm what? I am telling you to please stop making assumptions about me and stating them as truths. Whats the hmmm for?
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
Thats fine, I have no problem with taking it one question at a time.
Knowledge Whatever we are taught with objective materials is knowledge.
I understand "knowledge" as that which is KNOWN. In order to KNOW something, you must see/experience it. The word "science" was derived for the process that allows you to KNOW that you KNOW. It comes from "scire" which means "to KNOW".
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As'Salaamu Alaykum
We may utter phrases like... Insha Allah then neglect to act in a manner wherein we take responsibility for our actions in regards to whether something happens or not, why don't we say... "Bismillah", then act accordingly? Does anything happen that is not the will of Allah? If we say "Insha Allah", but do nothing to bring about the circumstances we are seeking to achieve (or hoping might happen) have we used Allah's name in vain?
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Allaeena taynhumu alkitba min qablihi hum bihi yu/minoon(a)
Those to whom We sent the Book before this (Jews and Christians),- they do believe in this (revelation)
Wa-i yutl AAalayhim qloo mann bihi innahu alaqqu min rabbin inn kunn min qablihi muslimeen(a)
And when it is recited to them, they say "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah's Will) from before this. (Qur'an)
Ol-ika yu/tawna ajrahum marratayni bim abaroo wayadraoona bi(a)lasanati a(l)ssayyi-ata wamimm razaqnhum yunfiqoon(a)
Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend out of what We have given them.
Wa-i samiAAoo allaghwa aAAraoo AAanhu waqloo lan aAAmlun walakum aAAmlukum salmun AAalaykum l nabtaghee aljhileen(a)
And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you we seek not the ignorant."
*They do not seek the ignorant, yet they wish peace upon them anywayInnaka l tahdee man ababta walkinna Allha yahdee man yasho wahuwa aAAlamu bi(a)lmuhtadeen(a)
It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom Hu will and Hu knows best those who receive guidance.
It is my understanding that there is no compulsion in the deen-i-Islam, that includes convincing each other of our individual understandings of Allah (Who, by the way, our intellects can never truly grasp). Sharing our understanding is a beautiful thing, but we cannot become so attached to our personal understanding that we feel a need to convince others, because as the ayat above states... "Allah guides those whom Hu wills". We need to not put so much trust in our intellects, trust the system and order of Allah as it is revealed in our hearts (a much better organ of perception when it has been kept clear).
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Innee tawakkaltu AAal Allhi rabbee warabbikum m min dbbatin ill huwa khiun biniyatih inna rabbee AAal irin mustaqeem(in)
"I put my trust in Allah, My Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but Hu hath grasp of its fore-lock. Verily, it is my Lord that is on a straight Path.
Everywhere! I turn I see the face of Allah. This is my understanding of the "reality" of Allah's Oneness, so everyone I greet... I greet with... "As'Salaamu Alaykum", with all due respect to the opinions stated here... Allah will be the judge of whether or not this is right or wrong.
Ma'Salaam,
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Peace be upon you Olusanya,
Thank you for bringing forth those verses. Good reminder.
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
I understand "knowledge" as that which is KNOWN. In order to KNOW something, you must see/experience it. The word "science" was derived for the process that allows you to KNOW that you KNOW. It comes from "scire" which means "to KNOW".Why do we have to go through a process to know that we already know? How do we know the truth of philosophy and spirituality through physical processes? Ofcourse see/experience is one form of understanding; but sense and execute is totally different form to which the said process is invalid.
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Peace be upon you Doctor,
Ihave nothing urther to say regarding the greeting of PEACE. Regarding seeing and knowledge, this discussion is going on in many other threads, so I desgibned the thread "knowledge vs. wisdom" for those discussions.
I am done here, PEACE to all.