Tired of living in a closet
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I hate that I have to hide my beliefs and views (quranism) in my life...around my friends and most of my family..I have to hide when I pray and dodge questions about how I'm doing this or that...always expected to live up to sunni traditions...
I'm tired of trying to avoid Islamic topics with my best friend, lest we go down a road of comparing viewpoints, only to 'hurt' her even more by my unbelievable shifted perspectives.
I'm tired of making excuses or lying just to get out of any situation that might blow my 'cover'!! I'm tired of my in laws so-called accepting my beliefs but then question me when I actually apply them!! As if sharing Quranism with them was just a good bed time story!
I WANT TO SCREAM.
No I don't pray covering my hair. No I don't think a simple scarf qualifies you to be a "hijabi"! And no I don't think material should come between me and Allah, and no I don't believe in the second coming of Isa or Dajjal..but I go along with it anyway because the arguments that would follow will be unbearable!
And whenever some hadith related topic comes up around others, I'm obliged to pretend I'm interested and believe in all those things when I don't...and I don't want to bring that up because they will pass judgement on me and think I've gone nuts and become an infidel. Or at the very least tell me how wrong I am and how sad it is that I'm so naive and young and don't know anything...Bleh!!!
Just needed to vent! It's just me and my husband now in this closet...its really stuffy in here. I need to breath . This only scratches the surface...
Where art thou Quranist friends in my life?
I am the same with my father and his Juma prayers lecture. he wants me to go to Juma'. But in the end these things do not contradict the Quran although some of us do not want to perform there like hijab or going to Juma' prayers or eating with the right hand or if we are left handed or circumcising our children etc. Maybe you can get in the habit of performing them just to be like the rest lol!.
Being around Muslims can be tough because they have a very compicated obligation filled Islam. At least your husband is with you in this. Imagine if you had to be discreet around him also. Maybe you both can limit your interaction with relatives and friends. Maybe have Christian firends who will not have those issues.
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I think that to be and feel all the time that you are in the middle of a struggle that never ends can be very tiring, burdensome, discouraging. Do not get too involved. Try not to be there. Keep yourself absent of that kind of thing. So they leave you alone as much as possible. ah? what? oh? did I? did you? Do not get dragged into polemics. Just do strictly as you like and do not let yourself be dragged into explanations, except if you do want to get into one and feel up to it. Keep aside and don't tax yourself into endeless quarrels for nothing.
As others have told you select your company or select the persons you want to really talk with, and step carefully to feel the ground as to how far you can go and sieve. And never, never, never, be apologetic. Be firm but not overppowering. do not even let out the impression that you might want anybody else to have a say into what you do or believe. Close any discussion or dispute with Allaho akbar and Allahu 3alim and shut up after that, or repeat it. Do not let yourself be dragged. Or let out Qur'an quotes. but do not comment nor answer questions, only Allahu 3alim.
And always do not be concerned. All those things are noise. NOISE. Just shut it out. Ignore it. Do not get involved do not let yourself be dragged into it.
Prayers without covering head is my great contention for not going to masyids. It is one of those big nonsense lies that keep women in place, tolerated, as intruders, but never officially said that they are regarded as intruders and never to be considered full believers, believers but... It is not proper that we women, as human beings accept the princile that we are not full believers, full human beings and before any other consideration we are required to pprove something. Even if we are far away, know that in that you are not alone. I feel insultad by the whole thing. ?Is also God going to be tempted by our beauty that we should wear hijab to be alone with Him? It is absolutely insulting. You are right. We do not have to put up with that NONSENSE. Poor men, God does not get aroused by them. Astaghfirullah...
No matter what others may look down on you. The main thing is that you do not look down on yourself. You are not too rebelious, you are not. You are not subservient to idels, human idols, that is what you are not.
Cheer up. Be faithful to your quest.
Salaam
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If you don't live in a restrictive "Muslim" country then be yourself and be honest. Some other people may be afraid and may be waiting for someone to say and stand up for what they believe as well, you never know. If you don't live in a restrictive "Muslim" country then to hell with them if they don't like/appreciate your views.
Me personally I don't have children or a family who needs my support so I can afford to do the above even if it gets me killed but if you are in a restrictive country and have children or people who need you, then it is not ignoble to hide your beliefs so you can stay alive to support them.
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Oh you're in Cairo. Ok...ummm yeah that's not going to be easy...my second paragraph I guess should apply in that case...you will face hardship from what I understand about majority/state views against muslims (WE are the muslims who don't add sectarian identification before muslim) I think there are Quranists in Egypt, try to research them and get in touch with them! I'm sure they can help you!
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Alhamdulillah, at least you have your husband. If he was one of them too, your life would be hell. Count your lucky stars! The world will never understand. Don't bother explaining to the brainwashed. As a wise rapper once said... "Do yo thang, let me do my thang."
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Thanks everyone for the support and advice <3.
@Shirley Yes I live in Egypt actually, im aware of the dangers involved if people were to know I am a quranist. You can see why im frustrated D.
And yes I know arabic, a great deal but its not perfect or very polished. Its a little choppy when i talk but I can read and write and I went to an egyptian school and they teach you grammar so i have a good idea.
I was actually thinking about going to a masjid and take quran memorization sessons, for myself and so I can respond to critics or questions. Personally I'd like to so I can better understand the Quran if I have it on (in) my mind more often and it would push me to decipher it and read more into it as I memorize bit by bit.Thank you for everyone's concerns. And yes im lucky my hubby is on the same page. He wasnt at first though! It took a few weeks to get his head around things. He is still not sure where he stands, but he is slowly more and more leaving more hadith behind. I think lately though he is starting to put the Quran more into action. So al hamdulilah.
If my husband didnt accept my beliefs, we might have had to divorce, honestly. Not because I want him to see things my way, but because I feel it would be haram to remain married to someone who is putting partners with Allah (as the quran seems to say about sunnism, to my understanding).
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If my husband didnt accept my beliefs, we might have had to divorce, honestly. Not because I want him to see things my way, but because I feel it would be haram to remain married to someone who is putting partners with Allah (as the quran seems to say about sunnism, to my understanding).
Peace be upon you
Let's see if Quran tells us if it is forbidden to remain married to someone who is putting partners with God?
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Forbidden to you are your mothers, and your daughters, and your sisters, and your aunts paternal and maternal, and a brother's daughters, and a sister's daughters; and your milk-mothers, and your milk-sisters; and the mothers of your wives; and your step-daughters - who are your foster children - born of your wives with whom you have consummated your marriage; but if you have not consummated your marriage, you will incur no sin ; and the spouses of the sons who have sprung from your loins; and to have two sisters at one and the same time - but what is past is past25 for, behold, God is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.
And all married women other than those whom you rightfully possess this is God's ordinance, binding upon you. But lawful to you are all beyond these, for you to seek out, offering them of your possessions, taking them in honest wedlock, and not in fornication. And unto those with whom you desire to enjoy marriage, you shall give the dowers due to them; but you will incur no sin if, after this lawful due, you freely agree with one another upon anything behold, God is indeed all-knowing, wise.According to 424 all married women are forbidden to a man. However, lawful to you are all women beyond these (in other words all unmarried women are lawful for marriage whether they are believers or not).
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The adulterer will only marry an adulteress or one who is an idolatress. And the adulteress, she will only be married to an adulterer or an idolater. And this has been forbidden for the believers.According to 243 adulterer or an idolater is forbidden for the believers. In other words a woman who is a believer can not marry or remained married a man who is an idolater (polytheist), someone who puts partners with God.
It seems that the verses 423 and 243 are contradicting each other. Because according to 423 a person can marry anyone as long as she is unmarried. But according to to 243 a believer (whether male or female) can not marry an idolater (polytheist). Why do the message in these two verses contradict eachother? Because one or both of the verses are mistranslated. There is no other logical explanation.
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Oh sweety,
Big hugs... it can be difficult. At my masjid I am active, but I do keep most beliefs to myself. Most label me as "ooh she is new she does not get it yet"...lol Go and learn your Quran, they can't say anything about that. I pray with my congregation, I just don't say all that they say, but we are not saying tashoud out loud. I would like to think most people on this forum will be here for you. For me this is my family and friend network. I would have lost my mind with out all the wonderful people on here. Trust me.. venting can be a good thing!
Thank you for everyone's concerns. And yes im lucky my hubby is on the same page. He wasnt at first though! It took a few weeks to get his head around things. He is still not sure where he stands, but he is slowly more and more leaving more hadith behind. I think lately though he is starting to put the Quran more into action. So al hamdulilah.
So there is hope!!! I have to be careful with my in-laws, they live in Cairo too. My greatest benefit is the ocean. My husband is not a strict sunni. He does tend to take most quran over hadith. Except the anti-christ and all those end time things. We talk but there are certain topics concerning Islam we agree to not bring up as it will cause a huge argument.
I pray you find some peace sis )
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Salam PixelAngelBaby
f my husband didnt accept my beliefs, we might have had to divorce, honestly. Not because I want him to see things my way, but because I feel it would be haram to remain married to someone who is putting partners with Allah (as the quran seems to say about sunnism, to my understanding).
As you might know, i am from Helwan/Cairo. But to meet me will be very difficult, because my husband is not only 'normal' sunni, but i little bit more fanatic...
But after two years asking Allahs help , i think i can be here without to divorce and leave my three children behind. My Husband he don't understand me chalas, but he is quite and don't want to divorce- so long as the situation remains like that, i can accept a life with him.
I don't think that muslims they are putting partners together with Allah- read the thread about shirk from Bigmo. This helps me a lot and as Allah says me always has patience and don't running out -
i wear before Niqab and remove it since 1 and half year, but i'm still wearing Hijab- for me this piece of stuff don't make any difference- i know that Allah He don't need a piece of stuff but i will get much problems (in this case sure a divorce and no children...) and this i don't want. Also i wear it and smile ;D
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@ PixelAngelBaby and Mirjanmur my heart truly goes out to you two because of the unfair predicament that you find yourselves in. It is very unfair.
@ PixelAngelBaby, Ahlan Beekee....if YOU are able to access Free-Minds Forum from Al-Qahira then so can others who are ALSO in Al-Qahira. I say this to you because of safety is at all a concern to you and you wish to keep your beliefs/views to yourself, then perhaps you should remove your pic from your profile and replace it with something else? The possibility does exist that someone who knows you can come across this forum, see the content of it, vehemently disagree with this content and just so happen to see that you are a member of this online group. Just my humble suggestion Ya Ukhtee.
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I don't know if its fair to say that Sunnis put partners with God. Not most anyway. Its not like they're worshipping lesser gods. But they have made up their own religion and attribute lies to God. They claim their laws come from God when in reality they come from Bukhari and friends.
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I don't know if its fair to say that Sunnis put partners with God. Not most anyway. Its not like they're worshipping lesser gods. But they have made up their own religion and attribute lies to God. They claim their laws come from God when in reality they come from Bukhari and friends.
I not sure honestly where I stand on that, but I was writing what I have understood so far from the Quran and im just starting out on this journey. Also I would lieing if I said other quranists didn't influence that opinion. I don't think the majority do, and I wouldn't call them out and call them mushrikeen, because that's for Allah to judge, but there are some that really do almost 'worship' the prophet. Many lectures I've listened to and the sheikhs would tell the muslims they will not enter heaven if they don't truly love the prophet, and put him above all else, except Allah. They may not be praying to the prophet directly in the sense of ritualistic worship, nor depend on him for matters in life and their troubles, but sometimes sunnis and shias and put the prophet and/or his family on a pedestal.
im sorry I didn't mean to state it as fact, of course only Allah knows and like I said, this is just a preliminary assumption at best. I don't really know.
And you're right, it's not fair to say that. I apologize. I wouldn't like it if others called me a kafir or mushrik for my beliefs either.
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Oh sweety,
Big hugs... it can be difficult. At my masjid I am active, but I do keep most beliefs to myself. Most label me as "ooh she is new she does not get it yet"...lol Go and learn your Quran, they can't say anything about that. I pray with my congregation, I just don't say all that they say, but we are not saying tashoud out loud. I would like to think most people on this forum will be here for you. For me this is my family and friend network. I would have lost my mind with out all the wonderful people on here. Trust me.. venting can be a good thing!
So there is hope!!! I have to be careful with my in-laws, they live in Cairo too. My greatest benefit is the ocean. My husband is not a strict sunni. He does tend to take most quran over hadith. Except the anti-christ and all those end time things. We talk but there are certain topics concerning Islam we agree to not bring up as it will cause a huge argument.
I pray you find some peace sis
Yes I really am grateful for this forum. When I first denounced sunnism, I felt so alone. I felt like nothing will ever be the same again. I suddenly felt like a foreigner among my community. Few days later I found this forum and it has helped sooo much! I'm so fortunate al hamdulilah <3.
I wish I could attend those conferences and meetups you guys do in the UK and US. Been trying to get those in Egypt on free-minds to meet for a while now but no one seems to be responding! bleh!
And I know what you mean about your husband. My husband just recently woke up to the fact that there is no second coming of Isa and all the end times stuff. He does have difficulty understanding why so many hadiths predicting the signs of judgement day are coming true. I used to struggle with that, but not anymore. Im trusting God's word over the hearsay and so-called predicitions.
But I still have different views than my husband. For example he is not quite open to the idea that Muhammad may not have been the last messenger but only the last prophet, I on the other hand, so far, think that this is true. And its a very sensitive subject to talk about and sometimes get hot and not in a good way D.
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I not sure honestly where I stand on that, but I was writing what I have understood so far from the Quran and im just starting out on this journey. Also I would lieing if I said other quranists didn't influence that opinion. I don't think the majority do, and I wouldn't call them out and call them mushrikeen, because that's for Allah to judge, but there are some that really do almost 'worship' the prophet. Many lectures I've listened to and the sheikhs would tell the muslims they will not enter heaven if they don't truly love the prophet, and put him above all else, except Allah. They may not be praying to the prophet directly in the sense of ritualistic worship, nor depend on him for matters in life and their troubles, but sometimes sunnis and shias and put the prophet and/or his family on a pedestal.
im sorry I didn't mean to state it as fact, of course only Allah knows and like I said, this is just a preliminary assumption at best. I don't really know.
And you're right, it's not fair to say that. I apologize. I wouldn't like it if others called me a kafir or mushrik for my beliefs either.
I really relate to your original post and am glad that you put your feelings out there! I converted at the beginning of the year and I think that I will just stay to myself. I live in Indiana, United States and I dont think there is a big muslim community, however the masjid where I took my shahada I havent been to since taking it because of the very things you talked about in your post. I really do not know why I have to pray with my hair covered, and I feel absolutely silly wearing hijab to pray when I don't wear it out in the streets; of course I know I can't go to a masjid without it. I have nothing against the scarf and I wear it sometimes when I feel like it (and not in the traditional sunni way, I tie mine turban style usually...which I guess is also unacceptable in the masjid) but to me it is just an accessory like any other Jacket or hat etc...
It seems to me also that the Prophet is put on a pedestal, this is clear. I find it ironic because if you ask a Sunni directly about how they view the Prophet-- oh he is just another prophet as John and Moses and Abraham and Jes?s and Noah before him, only he is the last.....but yet every movement in their life is in someway revolved around what the Prophet Mouhammad did and said and thought,,,not around what the Prophet Mouhammad and the other 200 or so prophets did and said and thought. I mean at least in Christianity they are up front about their skirk lol. But hey man what about what God swt says for us to do and say and think? It always seems as though it is an afterthought.Question for you pixelangel--is the return of Jes?s not mentioned in the Quran I thought it was,,or maybe I assumed that it was but is this from hadith instead
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Peace be upon you PixelAngelBaby
Imagine how nice it would be to live in a world were we could be 100% true to ourselves and express our thoughts and opinions without being criticised or condemned for it. But unfortunately such a world seems to be far far away.
I understand how you feel. It's not easy to be alone with our beliefs. It's not easy to have no one to share our beliefs with. Its not easy to be misunderstood and misinterpreted day after day. It's not easy to pretend to be something we are not, or hide who we truly are.
I remember all the times I met my friends, and tried my best to enjoy the moment fully, but even dough I had company, I was still alone. I was alone spiritually. Because my friends did not know the real me. They didn't know who I am deep inside. My heart was not united with their hearts, because our belief systems were totally different. No matter how much they thought they knew me, they never knew the true me. I guess some people will never fit in. They are destined to be alone. Aloness is their destiny. But what is this thing called aloneness? Are we ever truly alone? Or is aloness an illusion? These are questions that I have sometimes pondered on.
I once read a verse in Quran which said that a believer will experience some aloness in his path, if I remember correctly. That verse was very comforting to read because it showed me that some periods when I have been alone in my life have benefited me. I don't know if I have ever felt truly alone. Because as long as I have God with me, I can not be truly alone. Even if I was trapped in a desert, or in a mountain thousand of miles away from civilization, I would not be alone as long as God is with me. I truly believe that. How can we be alone if God is with us? A man or woman who has forgotten God, will be alone even if he or she has thousands of friends. But if someone is alone in a desert or in a mountain, and no one else is with him or her, he or she will not be alone, even if he or she stays there more than one hundred years.
Mario--I do not mind feeling alone as you do; infact I prefer to be by myself. People annoy me too much lol. The difference with me is I feel alone and I do not feel as if God is always there. It is like, theoretically I believe He is there because he is suppose to be everywhere all the time, but I do not feel as if is directly connected to me. It as if my phone rings, and I answer it, but the person on the line does not say hello---but you do not hear the the dial tone so you know someone is there. And I don't mean that literally I am expecting God to speak to me, but...as it has been discussed on this f?rum...I feel like He is just there to watch everything and that is all. I do not feel I have a unique relationship with him, or I feel the relationship is 1-sided and I don't hear anything back. I dont know if that makes sense. I don't mind it I suppose, but I just wonder how you said that you are never alone and God is always with you...I don't think I have felt that before.
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peace PAB,
Do you have some inside info on what is going on in Egypt at the moment, i.e. demonstrations, rioting, factions, political turmoil etc?
From the news coverage I read there is apparently friction between "Islamist" and secular/liberal parties.To an outsider looking in, such as myself, I fail to see why there is so much turmoil. Surely, BOTH sides have the very basics in common, e.g. http//www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml or similar. Sure they may disagree on some things, but surely they can work together and enshrine the core stuff into law.
Perhaps I'm missing something, hence me asking you here.
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All the "Muslim" countries are doomed to fail in any system other than a dictatorship. Democracy won't work in those countries because the majority of the people are ignorant and incapable of using logic. Only force works against ignorance. Sunni/Shi'ite religion promotes ignorance. The people either want to be fanatic "Islamists" (whatever the hell that means) or they want to go in the complete opposite direction and remove religion altogether. There is no balance. Because the sectarian Muslim way of life is unnatural. Unnatural conditions lead to moral deviance. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm not speaking about each individual. I'm speaking about those societies as a whole. That's just my opinion based on all the "Muslim" countries I've visited.
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All the "Muslim" countries are doomed to fail in any system other than a dictatorship. Democracy won't work in those countries because the majority of the people are ignorant and incapable of using logic. Only force works against ignorance. Sunni/Shi'ite religion promotes ignorance. The people either want to be fanatic "Islamists" (whatever the hell that means) or they want to go in the complete opposite direction and remove religion altogether. There is no balance. Because the sectarian Muslim way of life is unnatural. Unnatural conditions lead to moral deviance. Sorry if I offended anyone. I'm not speaking about each individual. I'm speaking about those societies as a whole. That's just my opinion based on all the "Muslim" countries I've visited.
hey AAMER, are you originally from an islamic country and maybe grew up in more western society? or were you totally born outside of Islamic country?
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hey AAMER, are you originally from an islamic country and maybe grew up in more western society? or were you totally born outside of Islamic country?
Tigress,
I was born in India. Not an Islamic country but the area I come from is majority Muslim. I have spent a lot of time in Saudi Arabia but grew up in the United States. While the rest of India is really progressing, my area remains in the dark ages. I think religion is a key factor. Also look at India and Pakistan. They were both formed together. India is moving it's way up the global ladder while Pakistan remains in chaos. Israel is one tiny newly formed country and they could defeat the entire Muslim world. And it's not like Muslims are stupid. Many brilliant individuals come from a Muslim background. But they usually have to leave their countries because their talents are wasted in the Muslim world. Sectarian Islamic societies are not a conducive atmosphere for progress, development and accountability. Is it the religion? I think so. The religion promotes closed mindedness and injustice. -
Peace Pixel,
@Shirley Yes I live in Egypt actually, im aware of the dangers involved if people were to know I am a quranist. You can see why im frustrated .
Firstly, welcome to the forum
Secondly, the dangers are actually not that bad in Egypt. In fact, people who follow Quran alone are the fastest growing group in Egypt and the trend has accelerated since the so-called Islamists took power. Many years ago I was the only Egyptian I personally know with that view . Now at least one out of every five Egyptians I talk to rejects Hadiths to one extent or another. Being in Egypt you are part of this historic shift.
Egyptians have been revolting and fascist rulers have been using corrupt clergy and tyrannical Sunni dogma to quell revolt long before our time. Just look at how Mohamed Ali thwarted the Egyptian revolution of 1809 by conspiring with the clergy of Al Azhar against Omar Makram. Similarly, Nasser used the Brotherhood to quell the popular demonstrations against him demanding restoration of democracy in 1954. So the only way to save the fascist system was to give it a religious face since most Egyptians blindly follow the clergy. The military-religious alliance as represented by ?Magles Aldefa3 Alwatany? (the real ruler of Egypt not the clown Morsi) was the way to subdue the Egyptian revolution and achieve stability. However, the fascist regime didn't anticipate the following
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By putting the religious fascists in power in a country that doesn?t have oil and has so many economic and social problems that require real intelligent solutions, the imaginary ideal of the slogan ?Islam is the Solution? proved to be a measurable real world miserable failure. This is why now the majority of Egyptians are disillusioned with the religious establishment as a whole and this made them start to question the sanctity of the clergy and established dogma. I personally know many people who just a few months ago were pro-Brotherhood and pro-Wahabis and who are now completely against them.
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With the foolish Sunni theocrats in power, everyone started loudly hearing their idiotic Hadith-based nonsense such as breastfeeding of adults, drinking animal urine, marrying and raping children, and all sorts of stupidities. So now when someone tells you how come you don?t believe in Hadith, you can give all those examples that everyone knows and then tell them that if they believe in such crap, they should be happy with the Brotherhood and shouldn?t complain.
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Egyptians are naturally fun-loving amazingly creative people who in time of hardship express their frustration with jokes. By getting involved in politics and taking power, the so-called Islamists turned themselves into easy targets for this natural Egyptian sarcasm. This is why Bassem Youssef in a few months succeeded in doing more damage to the Islamists than 30 years of Mubarak iron fist. In fact, the rapid deterioration of the sanctity of Sunni clergy in the past few months is UNPRECEDENTED IN HISTORY.
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Egypt has a compartmentalized culture and this can be seen in the widespread focus on ritual and superficial appearances instead of conduct. Therefore it is not uncommon in Egypt, for example, to find even hardcore criminals performing the rituals in the Mosque and then going back to doing their crimes. People who are deeply compartmentalized lose touch with both reason and conscious and will exhibit many social ills such as low work ethic and dishonesty despite being religiously conservative. Compartmentalization had allowed these conflicting ideas to co-exist by inhibiting direct or explicit interaction between separate compartmentalized self states. This compartmentalization was broken, perhaps irreversibly, when theocratic rule became the regime and caused the public beliefs about an imaginary theocratic ideal to conflict with the measurable reality of catastrophic government failure.
This brings me to an important point about the Sunnis real underlying motives. Most Egyptians (even liberals who hate so-called Islamists) hypocritically defend Hadiths because they worry about their rituals (and thus about their comfortable compartmentalized state) with the loss of Hadiths. This is why their first question is usually how you will do the rituals without Hadiths. In my opinion, the battle of Hadiths is already being won and we should start planning for the next phase, which is the alleged rituals.
Instead of subduing the revolution and maintaining the fascist regime, by bringing religion into the mix, the fascist military-clergy alliance has created the situation where the only way for the revolution to succeed it must also become a religious revolution. I think that we are fast heading into a condition that resembles Europe before the end of the dark ages and the protestant religious revolution. The internet is playing the role of the printing press and the Egyptian jokes that are killing the sanctity of the clergy are playing the role of the plague that killed half of the clergy of the dark ages and forced commoners to find out about religion for themselves.
And yes I know arabic, a great deal but its not perfect or very polished. Its a little choppy when i talk but I can read and write and I went to an egyptian school and they teach you grammar so i have a good idea.
I was actually thinking about going to a masjid and take quran memorization sessons, for myself and so I can respond to critics or questions. Personally I'd like to so I can better understand the Quran if I have it on (in) my mind more often and it would push me to decipher it and read more into it as I memorize bit by bit.Since you can read Arabic, the following book presents the ?rituals? from the quran?s perspective and thus renders Hadiths irrelevant to begin with. You can download it from this site
Please let me know what you think.
Peace,
Ayman
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