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What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated? If so, is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?
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We created not the heavens, the earth, and all between them, merely in sport.
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We created them not but with the truth, but most of them do not know.Is music and cinema rihgteous path or erreneous?
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M_Mehdi,
I think you have just picked up the last sentence of my post to hastily say your view for an answer. Please answer this
What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated? If so, is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?
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Peace drfazl,
You asked,
Brothers, what is your view on musics and cinemas based on quran alone?
Music is beautiful, and a blessing. And all beauty and blessings are from God alone. We did not invent music, we discovered it.
1653 Any blessing you enjoy is from GOD...
Is music and cinema righteous path or erreneous?
Sticking to music, I'd say it's perfectly righteous. Just ask the birds that sing every morning by God's grace.
May peace be upon you,
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Salaam drfazl,
What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated? If so, is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?
Well put!
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Do you not see the rhythm in the creation of the Skies and Earth? In our human terms it is something like an orchestra.
Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being?-Is music and cinema rihgteous path or erreneous?-
Music is an efficiently penetrative tool. Some would take advantage of it and try to influence/manipulate others with it!
Taj
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Peace Taj,
You stated,
Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being?
Beautifully said. But it seems you've attached a negative connotation to this sentiment. I see it as quite the opposite.
Some would take advantage of it and try to influence/manipulate others with it!
This is probably the single most paranoid thought I've read in a while. Music is art, and art is expression. There is nothing manipulative about it.
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Salaam Tay,
You stated,
Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being?
Beautifully said. But it seems you've attached a negative connotation to this sentiment. I see it as quite the opposite.
Thanks for the compliment )
And no negative connotaion at all. Where did you sense that!?Some would take advantage of it and try to influence/manipulate others with it!
This is probably the single most paranoid thought I've read in a while.
Oh really!? D
Music is art, and art is expression. There is nothing manipulative about it.
I meant the indecent video clips, if I may say roll
Taj
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Peace Taj,
And no negative connotaion at all. Where did you sense that!?
You agreed with drfazl's negative connotations, and this set the tone for your post. My apologies if I misunderstood.
I meant the indecent video clips, if I may say
Of course you may say )
No harm no foul.May peace be upon you,
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Do you not see the rhythm in the creation of the Skies and Earth? In our human terms it is something like an orchestra.
Do you attribute the rhythm of heavens and earth and everything inbetween to the Praising of the Purity of Allah?
Making music, rhythmical sounds, is like trying to tune in and pick up that universal rhythm and feel our presence within it. Visions that are bigger than words would come from a far place and fill our being
You say People making music from their own hands; trying to instill enticement called 'rhythm'; to attract mental attention of the succumbing people from the reality and make them submerged into falsehood. Despite so much anti-natural attitude, can one involved in such activities still expect to pick up the universal rhythm, their Praising of Allah?
Further, are the visions from within us? Or they fill us up coming into us as if aliens from far off places? Whereas all that are created are made to submit to man's soul. Soul is in the heart. As far as man is concerned there is nothing far off, but within HIS command by the Leave of Allah, if our rhythm is in praise of Allah with all the creations joining us in HIS PRAISE.
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Peace drfazl,
The negative parts of your comments are in bold-face
What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated?
And the last sentence in the quoted paragraph assumes a negative effect of music, while at the same time, insinuating that enjoying music must be taking away from being righteous. You've defined music as an all-or-nothing proposition, with the "all" being astray from the path of God
is it right to invovle in temporary jolly mood instead of facing the reality and setting things right by mending our ways in the path righteous and seeking forgivensss from Him?
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Peace drfazl,
The negative parts of your comments are in bold-face
What does music cause in us? Well being? Or a false sense of well being that does not last? Does music make us forget our stress and strain that we earned from our own error, just for a while and make us immerse in a mood intoxicated?
Can you give the definition of the two words befor discuss what i wrote ?
Negative and
connotation ?
Without the understanding of the words it would seem like we say each other's view unmindful of what we talk about and who we talk to. -
Peace drfazl,
You asked
Can you give the definition of the two words befor discuss what i wrote ?
Sure.
Negative Lacking positive or constructive features
Connotation An idea or meaning suggested by or associated with a word or thing
May peace be upon you,
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Negative Lacking positive or constructive features
Connotation An idea or meaning suggested by or associated with a word or thing
TayNegative Lacking positive or constructive features
Please refer to music and say the positive and constructive features of music in the following conditions
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In serious situations where you have to apply your mind with atmost care and caution. Will you play music and tune your mood to positive or jam the music to get into seriouseness ?
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Your nearest kin is in the intensive care Unit fighting for his life. Your anxiety and apprehension makes you beg for his life with God. Will you play Violin or Rock or Jazz now so that the doctors in the I.C.U. would have their brains sharpened at the concert and work better to save his life?
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A robber barges into your house. You are in terrific horror. One of your family members were shot down. Next you are in a fight or flight situation. Will you now put on your head phones and start the music?
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You are caught in a trerrif traffic jam that your car won't move even a few yards and you're delayed for hours. The music is on. Yet will you not be frustrated at even the music and jam the music button to off? Why the music failed to keep your cool?
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You are appearing for an interview. You are next in line, waiting. At this point will your thought be centred around how best you should perform or will you be swaying away with the nonsense music?
These are a few of the many many instances where you will put off any music for, the music in such situations where there is tussle between life and death; between constructive purpose and destructive purpose; or where you have to prove your worth in a 'now or never situation', you will have to boot the music out of your way. Music has no constructive purpose for it is intoxication that causes sluggishness and drunk-state and thus making one a lesser being than a human at that point of time.
Connotation An idea or meaning suggested by or associated with a word or thing
It was not connotation nor suggestion nor idea - but the truth itself. Music causes deathward attitude, like committing suicide unknowingly. He music addict does not even know he is committing slow suicide. A tragedy!
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Do you not see the rhythm in the creation of the Skies and Earth? In our human terms it is something like an orchestra.
Do you attribute the rhythm of heavens and earth and everything in between to the Praising of the Purity of Allah ?-
Praising of the Purity of Allah!!!
What are you saying, drfazl!? Where did you get that from!? Allah is beyond purity. Allah is the CREATOR of purity. If you are lacking words then use the words that Allah Subhanahu taught us in the Quran! Use the word Tasbeeh (Tasbee7), which has no equivalent in any other language than Arabic.
So if you want to avoid blasphemy, then your sentence should go like this
Do you attribute the rhythm of heavens and earth and everything in between to the Tasbeeh for Allah ?
And my answer would be yes, certainly!You say People making music from their own hands; trying to instill enticement called 'rhythm'; to attract mental attention of the succumbing people from the reality and make them submerged into falsehood.
Falsehood can't be the intention of all.
Despite so much anti-natural attitude, can one involved in such activities still expect to pick up the universal rhythm, their Praising of Allah?
What do you mean by such activities? Will you specify?
Further, are the visions from within us? Or they fill us up coming into us as if aliens from far off places?
Aliens!!!
Whereas all that are created are made to submit to man's soul.
To submit to man's soul!!?? What book are you reading from? If you think that Sakhkhara as in means 'submit to man's soul', then I can only say sorry for those who don't know Arabic of how much they could be lost
Soul is in the heart.
And who said that!?
Subhana Allah!Have they such a knowledge of the secret things that they can write them down?
As far as man is concerned there is nothing far off, but within HIS command by the Leave of Allah, if our rhythm is in praise of Allah with all the creations joining us in HIS PRAISE.
There are too many turns in that paragraph! 'HIS' is for who?
Taj
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Peace drfazl,
- In serious situations where you have to apply your mind with atmost care and caution. Will you play music and tune your mood to positive or jam the music to get into seriouseness ?
hmmm...an unfair question at best, at worst, it is villifying and placing one subject well outside of it's context to purposeley fulfill some biased objective.
Let me ask you a similar question, with the same structure
In serious situations where you have to apply your mind with utmost care and caution, will you pick up your nephew or niece and make goo-goo gaa-gaa sounds to get into seriousness?
Overall, drfazl, it seems you lump all music appreciation into the same category. This shows a very shallow and limited understanding of the subject. Perhaps you dislike music. That's fine. But you have ZERO Qur'anic evidence to forbid it, and you have ZERO logical evidence to negate it, outside of your logically flawed, yet imaginative hypothetical examples.
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Peace drfazl,
Music has no constructive purpose for it is intoxication that causes sluggishness and drunk-state and thus making one a lesser being than a human at that point of time.
Sounds convincing, but this is supported by what? Your insight?
It was not connotation nor suggestion nor idea - but the truth itself. Music causes deathward attitude, like committing suicide unknowingly. He music addict does not even know he is committing slow suicide. A tragedy!
Some structured arguments would be nice, rather than clergy-like rantings. It isn't the "truth" just because you say so. Looking forward to some well-constructed thoughts.
Peace,
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TAJ,
Do you attribute the rhythm of heavens and earth and everything in between to the Praising of the Purity of Allah ?-
Praising of the Purity of Allah!!!
What are you saying, drfazl!? Where did you get that from!?Among Allah's names are
Al Quddus, Al Subhan Please refer the meanings here.Allah is beyond purity.
Purity emanates from HIM. Please explain what is beyond purity but before explaining what is beyond purity, say what you meant by purity.
Allah is the CREATOR of purity. If you are lacking words then use the words that Allah Subhanahu taught us in the Quran! Use the word Tasbeeh (Tasbee7), which has no equivalent in any other language than Arabic.
Pure arabic chauvinism. He is not the creator of purity. He is PURE, Subhan, Quddus by Himself. If other languages do not have the equivalent of the arabic word, then you say one cannot call HIM or Praise Him with any of His attributes in any language other than arabic. Do you have evidence for the same in Quran? Did you ever ponder and recite to yourself that it is Allah who created all the languages? Is it not blasphemy to deny and denigrate the languages created by Allah
You say People making music from their own hands; trying to instill enticement called 'rhythm'; to attract mental attention of the succumbing people from the reality and make them submerged into falsehood.
Falsehood can't be the intention of all.
Half-hearted answer, this. I am not talking about the people who make music. I am speaking of the inherent evil of the music itself.
Further, are the visions from within us? Or they fill us up coming into us as if aliens from far off places?
Aliens!!!
Poor! Wherefrom?
Whereas all that are created are made to submit to man's soul.
To submit to man's soul!!?? What book are you reading from? If you think that Sakhkhara as in means 'submit to man's soul', then I can only say sorry for those who don't know Arabic of how much they could be lost
I think you are a hadith man. No wonder why you talk like this. You may claim you know arabic. But I only pity you for allah says Quran is for those who ponder over the ayats. When you reflect and ponder on the verses it is universal language. It is Allah who teaches you. Not your arabic and your dictionary or grammar. This Book is for those who fear Allah and not for those who knew arabic. I am sorry for you. You lost yourself when you denied the 31 20, for lack of understanding and for want of deep reflecting over the ayat. It is Allah that teaches you when you have differences in opinion, for they are secret words and verses having the meanings only Allah knows. He teaches to who He wishes. And Allah is not arabic chauvinist. He knows All Languages! What a denier you are! I ditch arabic for you said arabic is holy, very unmindful! A straight forward case of blasphemy. Quran is given to those who are illiterate not to the arabic scholars. The prophet himself was unlettered. Thus the quran was Allah's language, easy to translate and clear to explain and above all it is Allah who teaches Quran.
Soul is in the heart.
And who said that!?
Subhana Allah!Who taught you to deny this Hikmath of Allah?
Your arabic chauvinism? Astaghfirullah!
Hadiths definitely has a toll on you!Have they such a knowledge of the secret things that they can write them down?
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He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book In it are verses of HIKMATH; they are the foundation of the Book others are known only to Allah. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is with Allah alone, seeking discord, and searching for its hidden meanings, but no one knows its hidden meanings except Allah. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.055.002; 003; 004
It is He Who has taught the Qur'an. He has created man; He taught him the BAYANPlease! Never your scholarly brilliance in arabic will teach you Quran, unless HE Himself teaches you the BAYAN. So never overstep your limits saying if you do not know arabic you are loser! If you repeat the same you lose more heavily, for your blasphemy!
As far as man is concerned there is nothing far off, but within HIS command by the Leave of Allah, if our rhythm is in praise of Allah with all the creations joining us in HIS PRAISE.
There are too many turns in that paragraph! 'HIS' is for who?
This paragraph is for those who ponder; Poor! Not to the arabic chauvinists!. Hell with the human arabic! Allah alone shall teach the Quranic arabic. I beleive in the BAYAN of Allah! May All Muslims!
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Peace drfazl,
Music has no constructive purpose for it is intoxication that causes sluggishness and drunk-state and thus making one a lesser being than a human at that point of time.
Sounds convincing, but this is supported by what? Your insight?
It was not connotation nor suggestion nor idea - but the truth itself. Music causes deathward attitude, like committing suicide unknowingly. He music addict does not even know he is committing slow suicide. A tragedy!
Some structured arguments would be nice, rather than clergy-like rantings. It isn't the "truth" just because you say so. Looking forward to some well-constructed thoughts.
Peace,
TayHere is an ayat for us all to ponder
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Nay, they charge with falsehood that whose knowledge they cannot comprehend, even before the elucidation thereof hath reached them thus did those before them make charges of falsehood but see what was the end of those who did wrong!