Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca
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Salaam,
Thank you Aamer. I chose to forgive my wife, and why I picked her in the first place was because I was naive, but when I married her I took a solemn pledge, so I felt I could not give up that easily. It seems to have paid off now.
Regarding my research, the aim is not to prove Shia Islam right or wrong, it is to see if there are any interesting connections to be found. I am well aware of the idolatry committed in this sect since I am living among Shia Muslims myself, and my wife was one of them.
Since it is off-topic I will cut the post here. Sorry people!
God bless you
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Peace babansif
No offence please.
It seems that you are fascinated by the words Mecca, Kaaba, masjid Al Haram, pilgrimage etc. In your every post you have distorted the meanings of the words to suit your wishful thinking.
In 595 the words are "WA ANTUM HURUM" You have translated as PILGRIMAGE. why?
GOD has appointed the Ka`bah, the Sacred Masjid, to be a sanctuary for the people, and also the Sacred Months, the offerings (to the Sacred Masjid), and the garlands marking them. You should know that GOD knows everything in the heavens and the earth, and that GOD is Omniscient. 597
God has apponinted the Kaaba and the Sacred Masjid as a sanctuary for the people, but what about the SACRED Months, the offering and the garlands. Are they NOT appointed as a sanctuary for the people? Don't leave half the verse unexplained.
Allah made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum of security for men, AND also the Sacred Months, the animals for offerings, and the garlands that mark them (as a security or asylum or sanctuary for men) That ye may know that Allah hath knowledge of what is in the heavens and on earth and that Allah is well acquainted with all things. IT MAKES NO SENSE.
For you here is the correct meaning of QIYAAMAN
Do not give those who are of immature mind your property which God has appointed you responsibility make provision for them out of it, and clothe them, and give them good advice. 45
Show me the dictionary where you find QIYAMAN as SANCTUARY and HURUM as PILGRIMAGE
You translated QALAAID as garlands. prove that that were trees or plants or flowers to make a garland, in Mecca which was a desert and a barren land with 4 inches of annual rainfall.
what you are following is just what you inherited from your ancestors without applying your brain. You are belief in those translators is so MESMERIZING that you have failed to NOTICE the NONSENSE in their translation.
Here are some verses to ponder. try to find out where was the prophet, in MECCA or some where else?
Their purpose was to scare thee off the land, in order to expel thee; but in that case they would not have stayed (therein) after thee, except for a little while 1776
Such was Our way with the messengers We sent before you, and you will find no change in Our ways 1777
Even after the prophet leaving Mecca, the people of Mecca survived the onslaught of Allah. Did Allah changed HIS SUNNAH? Why were the MECCANS let off by ALLAH?
But if they turn away, say thou "I have warned you of a stunning Punishment (as of thunder and lightning) like that which (overtook) the 'Ad and the Thamud!" 4113
The people of Mecca were warned of the punishment, the like of AD and THAMUD. It looks like the punishment was not inflicted on the Pagans of Mecca, because in Mecca there are no signs of SUCH destruction nor the history has any reference to it.
So, the evil results of that which they earned overtook them. And those who did wrong of THESE (people to whom you (Muhammad) have been sent), WILL ALSO BE OVERTAKEN by the evil results (torment) for that which they earned, and they will NEVER be able to ESCAPE 3951
How did the Meccans escape the punishment? Why the due punishment did not overtake them? Why the promise of God always failed in respect of Mecca?, whereas the the people of old (Ad, Thamud, Salih, Shuaib, Abraham, Lot, Moses) all were destroyed for the same sin.
And SURELY We make them taste the lower punishment before the greater, that haply they may return. . 3221
You (the pagans of Mecca) shall SURELY taste the painful punishment, And be requited but only for what you had done, 3738/39
Show me one incidence where the Meccans tasted the LOWER PUNISHMENT of Allah? Show me when the Meccans received the ADHAAB UN ALEEM?
And this is a Book We have sent down, blest, and confirming that which hath been before it. And it is sent that thou mayest warn thereby the mother of towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they guard their prayer. 692
And this is a Book We have sent down, blest, and confirming that which hath been before it. And it is sent that thou mayest warn thereby the mother of towns and those around it. And those who believe in the Hereafter believe in it, and they guard their prayer. 427
The prophet was sent to warn the mother of TOWNS (MECCA) and ALL AROUND IT.
Show me the places around Mecca where the prophet went and warned those TOWNS which were around Mecca. It is an open secret that the prophet never put his foot outside Mecca for 13 years till he was expelled from mecca. It is disobeying to Allah on the part of the prophet if he did not warn the TOWNS around Mecca.
And assuredly We have destroyed the TOWNS around you. and We have variously propounded our signs, that haply they might return 4627
Show me the TOWNS that were destroyed by Allah and were AROUND MECCA?
Is it not a WARNING to such men (to call to mind) how many generations before them We destroyed, in whose DWELLINGS they WALK? Verily, in this are WARNINGS for men endued with understanding. 20128
Is it not a WARNING for them (to observe) how many generations We destroyed before them, amid whose DWELLINGS they WALK? Lo! therein verily are portents! Will they not then heed? 3226
Now prove that the people of Mecca were WALKING in the DWELLINGS of AD, THAMUD, SALIH, SHUAIB, ABRAHAM, LOUT and MOSES. or show me which TOWNS were destroyed by Allah and in whose DWELLINGS the people of Mecca were walking.
There are still many questions to which the SUNNIS and the SHIAS HAVE NO ANSWERS except silence. For more than 15 years I have debated with the SUNNIS and the reply I got from them is that I have gone astray and I am a KAAFIR.
May Allah guide you to the truth which is hidden in the Quran.
Thanks.
Very interesting, but, would you be so kind to offer correct answers please, besides only criticizing the wrong ones?
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Peace brother God submitter
There is no criticism on my part but correction and clarification of the misunderstanding. It was only to show him that the Quran disqualifies the place called Mecca as the theater of events and I hope you also agree with this.
If Allah wills the answers will be in front of you soon. My research is on and there are some practical difficulties I am facing, especially in
gathering information of old places and stories of the past happenings related to Yemen and Saudi Arabia as on the internet it is not available in English, but Arabic. After a meticulous study of the Quran I came to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy to to distort the message through translation with the help of HADITH. You will rarely come across "that this verse according to the prophet is this or like this" but what you find is " that this verse according to Tabari, according to Bukhari, according to Ishaq, according to kathir etc. is this or like this" Where is the interpretation of the verses by the prophet, where is the explanation of the verses by the prophet. The prophet did explain the verses but must have been buried under the heap of lies fabricated by the conspirators.
What I can assure you now is that the theater of all the events is not Mecca and I will prove it from QURAN as well as from Hadith. But for the alternate (real place of drama) place I need some time to find out where all these things happened some 1400 years before. I believe in perfection and I avoid conjecture and perfection needs time. Those who wrote hadith did provide correct information of the place of HAJJ, but they forgot what they wrote and in ignorance they contradicted themselves when they allegedly voted for Mecca as a place of Hajj. For the time being only patience.
Thanks
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YUSUFALI The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and
of guidance for all kinds of beingsThe Valley of Baca " Baca, Correctly spelled from the Hebrew as "Baka" or " The Valley of Baka "
Now according to your commenters The Valley of Baka is located in Palestine, but Psalms 84 gives
specific ID on the geographical location.Psalm 84
1 How amiable are thy tabernacles, O LORD of hosts!
2 My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD my heart and my flesh crieth
out for the living God.
3 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay
her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.(S-L-H)
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (Zamzam)
7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.
8 O LORD God of hosts, hear my prayer give ear, O God of Jacob. Selah.
9 Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed.
10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house
of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield the LORD will give grace and glory no good thing will
he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.BAKA
- This Place is a Valley
- In this Valley there is a blessed Well
- To this Valley pilgrims make their journey
- There is a Sacred House of Worship in this Valley of Baka
- This Place of worship where the sacred house is at there are COURT YARDS
- There are alters
- Sparows and Swallows Lodge at this location and bare their young
There is no place in Palestine that fits this discription.
ONE GOD
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YUSUFALI The first House (of worship) appointed for men was that at Bakka Full of blessing and
of guidance for all kinds of beingsThe Valley of Baca " Baca, Correctly spelled from the Hebrew as "Baka" or " The Valley of Baka "
Now according to your commenters The Valley of Baka is located in Palestine, but Psalms 84 gives
specific ID on the geographical location.Psalm 84
1 How amiable are thy tabernacles, O LORD of hosts!
2 My soul longeth, yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD my heart and my flesh crieth
out for the living God.
3 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay
her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.
4 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.(S-L-H)
5 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
6 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools. (Zamzam)
7 They go from strength to strength, every one of them in Zion appeareth before God.
8 O LORD God of hosts, hear my prayer give ear, O God of Jacob. Selah.
9 Behold, O God our shield, and look upon the face of thine anointed.
10 For a day in thy courts is better than a thousand. I had rather be a doorkeeper in the house
of my God, than to dwell in the tents of wickedness.
11 For the LORD God is a sun and shield the LORD will give grace and glory no good thing will
he withhold from them that walk uprightly.
12 O LORD of hosts, blessed is the man that trusteth in thee.BAKA
- This Place is a Valley
- In this Valley there is a blessed Well
- To this Valley pilgrims make their journey
- There is a Sacred House of Worship in this Valley of Baka
- This Place of worship where the sacred house is at there are COURT YARDS
- There are alters
- Sparows and Swallows Lodge at this location and bare their young
There is no place in Palestine that fits this discription.
ONE GOD
Thank you very much bro for your reference to psalm 84
Just what i needed.Peace
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Peace brother God submitter
There is no criticism on my part but correction and clarification of the misunderstanding. It was only to show him that the Quran disqualifies the place called Mecca as the theater of events and I hope you also agree with this.
If Allah wills the answers will be in front of you soon. My research is on and there are some practical difficulties I am facing, especially in
gathering information of old places and stories of the past happenings related to Yemen and Saudi Arabia as on the internet it is not available in English, but Arabic. After a meticulous study of the Quran I came to the conclusion that there was a conspiracy to to distort the message through translation with the help of HADITH. You will rarely come across "that this verse according to the prophet is this or like this" but what you find is " that this verse according to Tabari, according to Bukhari, according to Ishaq, according to kathir etc. is this or like this" Where is the interpretation of the verses by the prophet, where is the explanation of the verses by the prophet. The prophet did explain the verses but must have been buried under the heap of lies fabricated by the conspirators.
What I can assure you now is that the theater of all the events is not Mecca and I will prove it from QURAN as well as from Hadith. But for the alternate (real place of drama) place I need some time to find out where all these things happened some 1400 years before. I believe in perfection and I avoid conjecture and perfection needs time. Those who wrote hadith did provide correct information of the place of HAJJ, but they forgot what they wrote and in ignorance they contradicted themselves when they allegedly voted for Mecca as a place of Hajj. For the time being only patience.
Thanks
Peace @hafeez kazi,
Yes that is what I meant, correction and clarification of the misunderstanding, please forgive me for using the word criticism erroneously.
I am looking very much forward to your conclusions after your study, but please do take your time, no rush here, just eagerness for the truth.
Praise be to One God Alone
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Here are the relevant Quranic verses
1- In 4818 God speaks to Muhammad about the believers who swore allegiance to him under the tree ? the narration continues and in verse 24 God speaks about how He withheld the hands of he disbelievers in the valley of Mecca ? God is STILL speaking to Muhammad, this confirms that Muhammad was located in Mecca.The word "batn" literally means "inside" or "interior" or "belly". See Yusufali's translation
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YUSUFALI And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of Makka, after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.As a common noun, the word "mecca" literally means "destruction". So we can translate in Yusufali's translation as follows
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YUSUFALI And it is He Who has restrained their hands from you and your hands from them in the midst of destruction, after that He gave you the victory over them. And Allah sees well all that ye do.As you can see, the word "mecca" is not some meaningless proper name of a city no one ever heard of prior to the 8th century CE but it is a common noun that fits PERFECTLY in the context of war of 4824. If one believes that the quran is from the god then one will see that this cannot be a coincidence.
Of course, if one believed in the quran then one would also have realized that the fondling and kissing and spinning around stones in the place presently named Mecca is a pagan circus that has nothing to do with the real hagg/feast in the quran.
Peace,
Ayman
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To add to Hawk99's point about what is written in Psalms 84... I've never been to Palestine but I have been to Mecca and the description given in Psalms 84 matches Mecca perfectly. Even the birds. The first time I went to the kaaba in Mecca, one of the things that really caught my attention was how many birds were flying around circling the Kaaba. And it was night time. Plus the valley, the well of Zam Zam, the alters... Sounds like the Mecca I saw. As for Abraham never having been there? Well Abraham probably lived 4500 years ago. None of us know much about him for sure. But if God commanded him to travel to Mecca, I'm pretty sure he would have. Peace!
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To add to Hawk99's point about what is written in Psalms 84... Mecca and the description given in Psalms 84 matches Mecca perfectly. Even the birds. The first time I went to the kaaba in Mecca, one of the things that really caught my attention was how many birds were flying around circling the Kaaba. And it was night time.
Peace to everyone,
Birds huh.
In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Have you noted what your Lord did to the people of the elephant?
Did He not cause their schemes to backfire?
He sent upon them swarms of birds.
That showered them with hard stones.
He made them like chewed up hay.
The people who marched on mecca to destroy the ka'aba were attacked by birds!
they never were able to destroy the house of God and were forced to retreat!ONE GOD
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5VMhjgJTQ
see 445 in the video rotfl
is that spirituality?
is that getting nearer to God?
what is that urge, that desire people have to touch "THAT" in all that horrible mass bodily smells and sweat??? -
Just beacuse im saying hajj is made in Mecca does not mean I think the rituals in hadith are the rituals in Kaabah.... there is even a whole surah called hajj in the Quran and those are the rituals I will follow when I visit the Kaabah in Mecca Inshallah.
Salaam
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http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ5VMhjgJTQ
see 445 in the video rotfl
is that spirituality?
is that getting nearer to God?
what is that urge, that desire people have to touch "THAT" in all that horrible mass bodily smells and sweat???o
When I went there, I got a really creepy feeling looking at how people were trying to trample each other to touch a black cube and kiss the stone. Oral herpes anyone? It just appeared very pagan like and didn't settle well with me. I even touched the kaaba once because it was the middle of the night and the crowd wasn't too bad and everyone else in my family was doing it. But I really didn't have a good feeling about it even though I was a hardcore Sunni then. But the place itself (not the behavior of the people) is awe inspiring. So much history there. It's hard to put into words but the place is like nowhere else. Everything slows down for me. As if life is moving in slow motion. I do in my heart think it is indeed the holy mosque Abraham built. But I have no proof for this. Just my gut feeling. Peace!
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Salaam Aamer,
Interesting testimony, I was intrigued by hearing your personal feeling when being at the Kabah site. I have not traveled there myself yet, but I think about it. The rumors that it is not the true location has made me wonder a bit, but recently I did some own studies and are more certain that this holy site must at least be in Arabia, and why not in Mecca, close to that ancient well.
I also wonder if when Moses fled out of Egypt if he came to this well, and met his future wife and was taught by a priest, and worked for several years.
I will not elaborate my theory here, it is pretty much loose fragments still and it must be gathered together, ie I must put the pieces together.
My work is highly spiritual, but also contains physical parts.
If old Mosques point further north it is because of Moses place of gathering where he built an altar. Or at least may be. Mount Sinai is the highest place around there?
God bless you
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When I went there, I got a really creepy feeling looking at how people were trying to trample each other to touch a black cube and kiss the stone. Oral herpes anyone? It just appeared very pagan like and didn't settle well with me. I even touched the kaaba once because it was the middle of the night and the crowd wasn't too bad and everyone else in my family was doing it. But I really didn't have a good feeling about it even though I was a hardcore Sunni then. But the place itself (not the behavior of the people) is awe inspiring. So much history there. It's hard to put into words but the place is like nowhere else. Everything slows down for me. As if life is moving in slow motion. I do in my heart think it is indeed the holy mosque Abraham built. But I have no proof for this. Just my gut feeling. Peace!
Thank you @Aamer,
I appreciate your first-hand testimony very much, and I appreciate your sincerity and description.
But there are also many other places with a lot of important history in the world, not to mention many other sacred places even stronger than that one.
Thank to God for giving almost all people in the world a possibility to connect with Him in this or some other way.Peace
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It's crazy. I didn't realize there were videos of this. Which is nice because people think I was smoking something funny whenever I've talked about this.
I think you are smoking something funny because that video clearly shows what you said to be false.... for most of the birds.
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Recognize this?
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The religious Jews venerate Saturday because it is the Day of Saturn.
Look at his next photo
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/K22.jpg
As you can see, on Saturdays, they wear the black cube on their foreheads and their upper arm.
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/K19.jpg
They also have strict instructions on where exactlly the CUBE is to be fitted
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/K20.jpg
Take a closer look
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/K21.jpg
You can see the Menora emblem (Jewish religious symbol) on the black cube.
Now look at the next photo
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/K23.jpg
That is not the House of Allah. It is the BLACK CUBE of Saturn, which the Muslims unknowingly flock to, thinking it to be the Restricted Sanctuary.
If you want to make the black cube of Saturn your Qibla, then go right ahead. I respect your belief and hold nothing against you. But don't say the Quran ordained it.
The Muslims venerate the black cube of Saturn, as well as the black volcanic rock representing Al-Lat, the Arabian goddess of FERTILITY, whose day of worship is Friday.
If you want to venerate FRIDAY, then go right ahead. I have nothing against it. But don't say the Quran ordained it. The Quran mentions the Day of Congregation, NOT Friday.
Furthermore, Abraham never set foot in Palestine.
Salam and best regards.
salaam
The day you understand the significance of the above your life will never be the same.
A word of advice; do not take crooked road which will lead you nowhere pr ALLAAH to lead you to His straight path insha'ALLAAH
peace
