How do you Pray???
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Salam,
From the verses I dug up that pertain to this subject (6114, 752, 1037, 12111, 413), I don't see anything about the Qur'an providing the "full" or "complete" details of everything. I see translations such as "detailed Book, Book explained in detail, Book detailed in knowledge, detailed explanation of everything, and a Book whose revelations are detailed."
I may be arguing semantics here, but a "detailed Book of everything" does not equal a "COMPLETELY detailed Book of everything". A "detailed Book of everything" would be a Book that provides as much detail on each religious topic as the author warrants needed to the reader, but requires that the author provide at least one detail for each religious topic. A "completely/fully detailed Book of everything" would force the author to include every single detail of every religous topic such that any question the reader comes up with, the details are laid out exactly to answer the question. This misunderstanding of the Qur'an may be why the question of the details of Salat causes such a problem for so many.
Other attributes of the Qur'an to take into account are that Qu'ran provides the details needed only for our salvation (so we don't see the details of quantum physics for example), the teachings in the Qur'an are supposed to be clear and easy to learn/follow (otherwise Allah would be toying with us which He say He isn't), strengthen the iman of the believer, send astray the disbelievers (who will nitpick every problem they have with the Qur'an rather than think that the problem is their own understanding and doesn't show patience in learning), and that the Qur'an was sent to clarify things that were distorted in previous scriptures (Moses was also given a detailed scripture, so one goal of the Qur'an was to clarify the details that the disbelievers had changed).
As for my personal understanding of Salat right now, I believe it is a prescribed physical act as initially sent down to Ibrahim, taught down to each generation, and clarified/corrected by messengers and prophets, with the final clarifications made in the Qur'an and practiced by the final prophet. I believe it to be a physical act because a physical act encourages many themes in the Qu'ran such as
- A way to remember and glorify and praise Allah on a routine basis. Doing things in a routine basis is great for reinforcement of a teaching.
- A way to ask Allah for forgiveness or for help in times of despair.
- A way to ward off bad thoughts and emotions.
- A physical example of the submission of the human body to Allah's will (when we decide to get up and make Salat before sunrise even though our body is screaming to stay in bed). When we stand in front of Allah on judgement day, we have solid examples of our submission to Allah over even our most basic instincts such as sleep. Even better proof of our submission when you do the above in private.
- Provides a test for the believers. Do we prioritize the afternoon Salat as more important or that work meeting? Which is more important? Did playing with horses have more priority to Solomon than the sunset prayer? It was a test.
- Provides a time period of reflection throughout the day where we can focus on Allah away from our daily activities
- A time where we can recite and memorize Qur'an
Anyway, these are some of my thoughts on the subject. May Allah forgive us if we are incorrect in our understanding, and guide us.
Salam Spodacus,
I agree with all what you have to say and strongly believe that routined physical prayer is indeed a best way in our daily lives to keep ourselves reminding about God and remain closer to him.
Peace
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Salaam,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605107.15;wap2
Think you may have to remove Wap from the link I provided.
God bless you
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Salam @oneandonly.Why you post salat topic here, since it has own place ???
I will explain my salat in simple ways
- First I stading with calling "Allah,Ar-Rahman" and other Allah's name as much as I can.
- Then bowing
- Then Sujud
- Then sit
- Then sujud for second time.
- After that say 'ameen' with wipping the face
What I say during step 1 until step 4 is "Allah,Ar Rahman" and other Allah's Name as much as I can.This is based from verse(2239, 341, 845, 7625, 17108-111).
What I say during second sujud is some du'as in my language based on my needs.
I'm still confused, for why some Quranist have different ways in salat because different in tafseer.
It's nothing but I imagine if some Quranist pray together in one Masjid, it will be funny moment '( -
Salaam,
If several people are to pray together with a leader, they have to agree on a uniform prayer they can do so everyone does the same thing or it would be pointless praying together.
Even if they have different ways they perform their prayers when alone, they should be humble enough to agree on something else, as long as it is dedicated to God alone.
Praying you can do in many ways, by singing, reading poems, prostrating, kneeling etc. However it seems to bowing your head and falling down on the face is always included in a prayer. No matter this, unity is more important than arguing on how to perform the prayer.
Prostration is an ancient form of greeting to people of high rank or someone you have respect for and is not an invention just for religious purposes. It is not performed today, as far as I know, but the bowing part is still performed in some cultures. There is hence nothing odd about prostration and it an old "forgotten" practice. It was maybe abandoned because it got associated with worshiping God, and people nowadays only prostrate to God.
God seems to dislike praying like robots too.
Everything in God?s religion has a logical or at least rational explanation.
God bless you
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Salaam,
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605107.15;wap2
Think you may have to remove Wap from the link I provided.
God bless you
[/quotSalam Man of Faith,
Got it, I didnt see that post before else wouldnt have started the topic.
Thank you so much
May Allah bless you
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Salam @oneandonly.Why you post salat topic here, since it has own place ???
Ooops, new to the forum, didnt notice it earlier.. there was also same post started by another brother.. brickwall
I will explain my salat in simple ways
- First I stading with calling "Allah,Ar-Rahman" and other Allah's name as much as I can.
- Then bowing
- Then Sujud
- Then sit
- Then sujud for second time.
- After that say 'ameen' with wipping the face
What I say during step 1 until step 4 is "Allah,Ar Rahman" and other Allah's Name as much as I can.This is based from verse(2239, 341, 845, 7625, 17108-111).
Didnt think this way before, but very interesting. Thank you
What I say during second sujud is some du'as in my language based on my needs.
I'm still confused, for why some Quranist have different ways in salat because different in tafseer.
It's nothing but I imagine if some Quranist pray together in one Masjid, it will be funny moment '(
I tend to agree with what Man of Faith has said. there is nothing wrong in praying together as long as the prayer is directed only to god. either everyone should follow the person leading prayer or pray individually.Salam Earthdom,
Thank you for sharing your ideas.
May Allh bless you
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God seems to dislike praying like robots too.
Salam Man of Faith,
What do you mean praying like Robots? Do you mean praying in traditional way in group like Sunnis do or praying without concentration?
Peace
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Peace All,
The Koran is fully detailed, so the rules of performing salat are there. However, we are so used to salat being a ritual prayer with certain movements and utterances that we probably are missing what's under our very noses.
Dawn
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Salaam,
Dawn gorgeous put it well.
God bless you