Iman Mumin Muslim

[drfazl]

Peace Idolfree,

drfazl Don't you know the science is evolving constantly? and math to support the science still premature? Can science evolve if it is perfect?

idol Who said Science is perfect? AGAIN, you are putting words in my mouth, how long will this continue? The word "science" comes from "scire" which means "to KNOW". Science IS perfect, our understanding of it is not perfect. That the difference.

I won't say any further, so as to not to put more words in your mouth.

drfazl If imperfect can you trust the science?

idol It is not imperfect, 1+1 will always equal 2, but if someone has not understood that yet, they need to do more reflecting.

wow! maths!!
Try this? Good + Good = 2 Goods? or TOO GOOD? math and science is clown!

drfazl Please specify one point. Is the science you ask me to read complete in its understanding of Laws of nature? Or it is not even a zygote( a conceived particle)?

idol Yes it is, but the human undrstanding is that which is evolving. Scientists don't "discover" NEW things, they "discover" that which is alreay here, just not understood yet (prophet).

Give another name to your science in irder that we need not mislead the people. Let the name of the reality be The Truth! now talk about this puny 'science of destruction' to any extent, to make your replies perfect; there will be no opposition at all. Just to remove the confusion The TRUTH and the experi'mental' science.

drfazl Do you ever believe the science can create any life?

idol The God creates life through the laws that we call science.

Agreed God's science is ever living; man's science is dead already

drfazl If so, say if it can create a grain of sand which is full of life; a drop of water; or even an atom of air? But take care before answering that these scientists shall not use anything that Allah created. If the science cannot create life it is dumb and dead.

idol Who ever said science creates life? You are pulling this debate off track

Science creates not life is what you say. I say lifeless science is as good as dead.

drfazI believe there is no change in the Way that Allah creates
It is Just this "Be and It Is!!"
Science can never reach this ever. It is dead and perished. You want me to believe this indolent, imbecile subject called maths and science just for the sake of pride to call myself educated on these nonsense?

You can do whatever you like brother, but all foolish arguments will be crushed.

Calling 'foolish' does not make the 'caller' automatically wisdomful. Wrong calculations the math and science do not help you here.

drfazl Quran is to teach us Be and It is ! make a shape out of clay and breathe into it "In the Name of Allah " and there is life in it. But we keep on breathing into ourselves all the life since birth but we go down the drain and we die a miserable death at the hands of advanced science i.e in the western medicine.

idol I have no clue what you are talking about, and why did you single out western medicine?

It is only to cite an example for only western medicine claims "it is scientific!" over all the 'healing systems' in the world

drfazl Science ! advanced science!! damned !!! The doctors are best example of killers of advanced science! Mercy killing has come into place! Abin, Ganja, Morphine, and all mental intoxications have been introduced as the drugs of choice just to make you forget the pains of diseases. You want me to read and believe this killer science? Wake up to read Allah's command Be and It Is! Believe this !

idol I think you should get better understanding of science, it means TO KNOW. I am not sure how you continue to equate it to doctors and medicine. What about natural herbs? What about the science of preventive health (eating right)? How do you take that which is wrong and compare it to science, but leave that which is right unspoken? What is your real agenda?

Real Agenda ? PEACE TO ALL !
Best Wishes Brother, I conclude.

dr fazlur rahman

[unknownuser]

Peace beupon you Doc,

I was hoping you would remain just a little longer, I wanted to as you what the God meant when He told us to say "my Lord, increase me in KNOWLEDGE"

[drfazl]

Peace beupon you Doc,

I was hoping you would remain just a little longer, I wanted to as you what the God meant when He told us to say "my Lord, increase me in KNOWLEDGE"

Knowledge is hopeless Wisdom is hope.
Increase my knowledge is increase my wisdom!

[khalil]

Knowledge is hopeless Wisdom is hope.
Increase my knowledge is increase my wisdom!

Peace drfazl

Knowledge is hopeless without wisdom.

pz

[drfazl]

Knowledge is hopeless Wisdom is hope.
Increase my knowledge is increase my wisdom!

Peace drfazl
Knowledge is hopeless without wisdom.
pz

Khalil,

We shall rephrase thus
Wisdom is hopeless with knowledge
Or, Wisdom is Blessing if not tainted with knowledge ?

[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you Doctor,

Knowledge is hopeless Wisdom is hope.
Increase my knowledge is increase my wisdom!

Is this the response you have had us waiting for? You have got to be kidding me brother. You are saying that the God REALLY MEANT to tell us to say "My Lord increase me in WISDOM", but made a mistake and said for us to say "My Lord increase me in knowledge"?

Is that what you want us to believe?

[drfazl]

Is this the response you have had us waiting for? You have got to be kidding me brother. You are saying that the God REALLY MEANT to tell us to say "My Lord increase me in WISDOM", but made a mistake and said for us to say "My Lord increase me in knowledge"?
Is that what you want us to believe?

'No kidding'(we can cut these unnecessary words in the future. you can take it as the command from the Wisdom! May the Wisdom of Allah prevail over both of us throughout until end).
It is the starting. It is worth waiting for Wisdom.

what is knowledge? And what is wisdom?
We start from the respective definitions.

"ilm" is knowledge is what your dictionary knowledge says. I ask of you what allah has taught you as to the meaning of the ayat "ilm"?

Let me start first.
Knowledge
Whatever revealed is knowledge seen physically, mentally with imaginary ability.

Wisdom
Yet to be revealed is wisdom - thus far the unseen truth, the 'sign' dawning from the soul, upon the mind, to 're-mind', by the Leave of Allah, so that we rehearse and recite, mindful.

[khalil]

Khalil,

We shall rephrase thus
Wisdom is hopeless with knowledge
Or, Wisdom is Blessing if not tainted with knowledge ?

Peace drfazl

What has led you to this conclusion? In light of the Quran what is your take on this verse?

And Lot, We gave him wisdom and knowledge, and We saved him from the town that used to do vile things. They were a people of evil, corrupt. (2174)

Solomon, David and Moses also recieve(d) wisdom and knowledge (2179, 2814).

pz

PS God is Knowledgeable in all things (2231)

[drfazl]

Peace drfazl
What has led you to this conclusion? In light of the Quran what is your take on this verse?

And Lut, We gave him wisdom and knowledge, and We saved him from the town that used to do vile things. They were a people of evil, corrupt. (2174)

Wisdom The insight that informs of the absolute truth, "the Wahy".
Knowledge The Guidance and the Conduct from Him - the Straight Path that makes one realise the instinct and insight in his affairs in life.

In the above verse Lut was given the Hikamth and Ilm so that Lut talked the truth to his people seeking to restraining them of their indecency with such boldness that they cannot argue against - but they rather decided and devised to be dispensed with him(Lut). They were a people of evil, corrupt. Allah sent Lut and mumins on Hijrat, to destroy the nation. The wise followed Lut and the nation was destroyed.

Today, though the same people of Lut with the same dsitorted lifestyle are living amongst us-, due to lack of the wisdom(not having the light of truth) from Him, and the knowledge(guidance and conduct) from Him we have no strength to effectively counter the evil; there is none who shall put up resistance against the 'lust for men' people.

If only we had the wisdom and the guidance, we would have followed the example of Lut as our rasul, we would have done Hijrat out of our soil. Had we done that Allah says America would have been destroyed by this time, if only there were mumins with wisdom and knowledge. Yet there are many who are bevaing good and preaching good and doing good from all the communities as a single nation. So Allah's grant of time is extended for america before its destruction.

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So that Allah may cause to enter into His mercy whomsoever He pleases; had they been widely separated from the evil doers, We would surely have punished those who disbelieved from among them with a painful punishment.

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But Allah was not going to punish them while you(the good doers) were among them.

When Allah decides to destroy a nation he sends out the mumins from there, guiding them to do Hijrat with His Hikamth and Ilm

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Then We evacuated those of the Believers who were there

Solomon, David and Moses also recieve(d) wisdom and knowledge (2179, 2814).
PS God is Knowledgeable in all things (2231)

Please try to get the above verses in the same light. You have questions despite this, you are most welcome with more questions

[unknownuser]

Peace be upon you Doctor,

Please be direct and hold us no longer in limbo, WHY does the God advise us to seek INCREASE in knowledge? Yet you tell us to reject knowledge?

We recognize the superiority of Wisdom over Knowledge, but how do you come to th econclusion that knowledge is wicked and should be rejected? How do you even read these posts without knowledge of alphabet?