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    mohf
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    Let me go straight to the point.

    Something confusing me is saying "Allahu Akbar" during prayer. I am starting to think it's innovation if I look at how it's relation to the 'traditional salat'.

    For example, the traditionalists say that it's obligatory to say "Allahu Akbar" before starting prayer (while having your hands raised to the level of your head). Not saying it will invalidate prayer.

    Furthermore, "Allahu akbar" does not appear even once in the whole Quran.

    On the other hand, "Al Kabir" (The Great) does however seem to be an attribute/name of The God. (can't remember verse). And there seems to be one verse related to salat confusing me

    17110-111
    Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever you call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite loudly in your prayer (bi altika) or quietly but seek between that an way.
    And say, "Praise to Allah , who has not taken a son and has had no partner in dominion and has no protector out of weakness; and glorify Him with glorification (wa kabbir'hu takbran)."

    How should we understand the two last words of 17111 in relation to Salat? Is there any relation between "wa kabbir'hu takbran" and "Allahu Akbar"? Kabbir-HU seems to refer to The God (Allahu), and ... saying Akbar is how we Kabbir him Takbiran? confused

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      oneandonly
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      Let me go straight to the point.

      Something confusing me is saying "Allahu Akbar" during prayer. I am starting to think it's innovation if I look at how it's relation to the 'traditional salat'.

      For example, the traditionalists say that it's obligatory to say "Allahu Akbar" before starting prayer (while having your hands raised to the level of your head). Not saying it will invalidate prayer.

      Furthermore, "Allahu akbar" does not appear even once in the whole Quran.

      On the other hand, "Al Kabir" (The Great) does however seem to be an attribute/name of The God. (can't remember verse). And there seems to be one verse related to salat confusing me

      17110-111
      Say, "Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever you call - to Him belong the best names." And do not recite loudly in your prayer (bi altika) or quietly but seek between that an way.
      And say, "Praise to Allah , who has not taken a son and has had no partner in dominion and has no protector out of weakness; and glorify Him with glorification (wa kabbir'hu takbran)."

      How should we understand the two last words of 17111 in relation to Salat? Is there any relation between "wa kabbir'hu takbran" and "Allahu Akbar"? Kabbir-HU seems to refer to The God (Allahu), and ... saying Akbar is how we Kabbir him Takbiran? confused

      Salam Mohf,

      I may not be able to debate in full detail but from my point of view, there is nothing wrong in saying it. Me myself say Allahu Akbar while praying but since I do not understand Arabic but my intention while saying it is like I am saying "Allah is the greatest".

      Call upon Allah or call upon the Most Merciful. Whichever you call - to Him belong the best names.

      I guess above sentence clears all our doubt already.

      Peace

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        mmkhan
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        Salaam,

        Please take a look at this link about saying Allahu Akbar.

        Also take a look at this link about explaining 17110.

        May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
        mmKhan

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          mohf
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          Thanks mmkhan.

          So as I understand it, saying Allahu akbar is meaningless unless we add a reference point. As in, 'Allah is greater than the great'.

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            mmkhan
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            Thanks mmkhan.

            So as I understand it, saying Allahu akbar is meaningless unless we add a reference point. As in, 'Allah is greater than the great'.

            Salaam mohf,

            Yes bro, you are correct in your understanding, inshaAllah.

            May Allah bless you pr
            mmKhan

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              wrkmmn
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              Something confusing me is saying "Allahu Akbar" during prayer

              I was meditating about the same yesterday, because after listening to a recitation of the quran, I started thinking about what the quran says on 1010 about how the believers will call/pray to god in heaven, and how they will end their call/prayer.
              1010

              1010 Their saying in it is ?Be you glorified, our god!? And their greeting in it is ?Peace,? and the end of their saying is ?Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds!?
              10 Their call therein will be, ?O Allah! Immaculate are You!? and their greeting therein will be, ?Peace!? and their concluding call,?All praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of all the worlds.?
              (1010) in that they will call out, "Limitless art Thou in Thy glory, O God!" - and will be answered with the greeting, "Peace !"16 And their call will close with , "All praise is due to God, the Sustainer of all the worlds!"

              Acording to the coranic arabic corpus website dawhum means "prayer, call, cry" . I was thinking, why not imitate the example of those in heaven regarding how to end our prayer instead of the innovations that people are doing, such as ending prayer by saying ameen, like cristians and not knowing what it means. ending the prayer with the ?Tasleem".saying "Allahu Akbar" as you move to end prayer, or 70 times, etc. please tell me what you think, I would really appreciate your opinions regarding this verse 1010.

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                mohf
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                @wrkmmn

                Yes you can use this verse 1010 to end your salat, but I do not believe it is nessesary because the verse is not related to Salat, like you said it is da'wahum which has a different meaning.

                @mmkhan

                Thanks for the info, however, I forgot the main reason I opened this topic is not about Allahu akbar itself or 17110, but is about the two last words of 17111

                How should we understand the two last words of 17111 in relation to Salat? Is there any relation between "wa kabbir'hu takbran" and "Allahu Akbar"? Kabbir-HU seems to refer to The God (Allahu), and ... saying Akbar is how we Kabbir him Takbiran? confused

                Can you maybe help me on this?

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                  1010

                  1010 Their saying in it is ?Be you glorified, our god!? And their greeting in it is ?Peace,? and the end of their saying is ?Praise be to God, Lord of the worlds!?
                  10 Their call therein will be, ?O Allah! Immaculate are You!? and their greeting therein will be, ?Peace!? and their concluding call,?All praise belongs to Allah, the Lord of all the worlds.?
                  (1010) in that they will call out, "Limitless art Thou in Thy glory, O God!" - and will be answered with the greeting, "Peace !"16 And their call will close with , "All praise is due to God, the Sustainer of all the worlds!"
                  Acording to the coranic arabic corpus website dawhum means "prayer, call, cry" . I was thinking, why not imitate the example of those in heaven regarding how to end our prayer instead of the innovations that people are doing, such as ending prayer by saying ameen, like cristians and not knowing what it means. ending the prayer with the ?Tasleem".saying "Allahu Akbar" as you move to end prayer, or 70 times, etc. please tell me what you think, I would really appreciate your opinions regarding this verse 1010.

                  Subhanakallahumma, Alhamdullilahirabillalameen in 1010

                  It's the example of ahl jannah's expression, told by God and how can this translate to cry in this circumstances.

                  Thanks for the info, however, I forgot the main reason I opened this topic is not about Allahu akbar itself or 17110, but is about the two last words of 17111
                  Can you maybe help me on this?

                  The problem is what's the meaning of "takbiran" in the Quran.If you say Takbiran is Allah al Akbar/AllahuAkbar/Qabiran, this means it is still a traditional teaching.There is no single order in Quran to must say "AllahuAkbar" only for glorying Him.

                  According to 17110, you can just say "Allah", it's God name.The word "Allah" is different than Al-Ilah or Rabb, because "Allah/Elli" is the Name of Our God.So thats why English speaking Muslim say "Allahuakbar" not "God Akbar".

                  Or you can say Ar'Rahmaan which it's meaning is more than Merciful, it's meaning is nearly of AlMighty.

                  So for me , in Takbiran you can just say "Allah" or "Ar Rahmaan" or other Al Al Name in the Quran as you wish.

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