Evolution or Intelligent design ?

one-9-one

for me to judge a person's belief.

interesting. can you explain.

Student_of_Allah

Shalom Aleikhem,

First of all, let me apologize for this late response.

Now,

No it doesn't, but my problem was how could God model life in a way that justifies racism?

Evolution does not "justify" racism or even "universal brotherhood". It is up to you and me to decide what we do. Let me give you something else to think about. Do you agree that there are tall and short people ? Do you agree that some people are more attractive than others ? If you do agree that it is the case, would you now go on and and say that " but my problem was how could God create people in a way that justifies looking down upon the less desirable ones" ? I hope not. In the same way, even if we can demonstrate that I am weaker than you, we should not therefore say that you have the right to mistreat me. Like I said before, it is evidently true that shit and people are both made out of the same sub atomic particles. However, we know better than to treat people like shit.

"favored races" is interchangeable with "white" in this context

Once again, I have to remind you that "races" can very well mean variations. You said you have read "Origin of Species". Let me demonstrate that from Chapter 1

".................. Nevertheless, as our varieties certainly do occasionally revert in some of their characters to ancestral forms, it seems to me not improbable, that if we could succeed in naturalising, or were to cultivate, during many generations, the several races, for instance, of the cabbage, in very poor soil (in which case, however, some effect would have to be attributed to the direct action of the poor soil),....................."

At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilized races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes ... will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilized state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the Negro or Australian and the gorilla (Darwin 1887156).

Ok, here is the full passage

"The great break in the organic chain between man and his nearest allies, which cannot be bridged over by any extinct or living species, has often been advanced as a grave objection to the belief that man is descended from some lower form; but this objection will not appear of much weight to those who, convinced by general reasons, believe in the general principle of evolution. Breaks incessantly occur in all parts of the series, some being wide, sharp and defined, others less so in various degrees; as between the orang and its nearest allies?between the Tarsius and the other Lemurid? ?between the elephant and in a more striking manner between the Ornithorhynchus or Echidna, and other mammals. But all these breaks depend merely on the number of related forms which have become extinct. At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate and replace throughout the world the savage races. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break will then be rendered wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as at present between the negro or Australian and the gorilla. "

Although the passage is more about taxonomy, I can not help but point out that while defending his theory, he ignored things like genetics, nature VS nurture. His idea was that a culture can end up forcing extinction on another culture. Darwin had to explain what he observed, do yourself the favor of looking at the world he looked at. You will understand why some of his conclusions were not correct. By the way, Darwin was not proposing the extermination or ill-treatment of any race. He was, as I said before, describing what he observed. Just like I can write about a "Tiger vs Deer" situation without passing on any moral judgement on the matter. Now, I do not know if Darwin was a racist or not. However, even if Darwin comes back from his grave and states that " I am a racist and the theory of evolution made me racist", that has no bearing on the truth of the subject matter of "Evolution".

Peace
--------------- Student of Allah

Student_of_Allah

Shalom Aleikhem,

A reminder for everyone

Let us have off-topic conversations and debates elsewhere. This thread is for discussing the theory of evolution and intelligent design.