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How to tell verb form 1 with two letter root and prefix or just verb form 1

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    czmead
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    Okay, this makes my brain hurt but

    is generally accepted as "In the name of" with being a prefix for "in" and being the word for "Name." This is the same in Hebrew as well, and is also rendered this way in the Torah!

    However, by itself is also the verb that basically means "pleasantness." The root has a similiar meaning in Hebrew as well.

    Question is, how do I know when I am seeing verb form 1 three letter root as opposed to verb form 1 two letter root with a prefix? brickwall

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      Well I think you can't if you don't consider the vocalisation. I also had the idea that God is just smiling at us...

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        Okay, this makes my brain hurt but

        is generally accepted as "In the name of" with being a prefix for "in" and being the word for "Name." This is the same in Hebrew as well, and is also rendered this way in the Torah!

        However, by itself is also the verb that basically means "pleasantness." The root has a similiar meaning in Hebrew as well.

        Question is, how do I know when I am seeing verb form 1 three letter root as opposed to verb form 1 two letter root with a prefix? brickwall

        I am not an expert but
        the answer is the context.

        by the way you did a mistake, the particule is BI and si attached to the noon ISM
        BI+ISMI = BISMI

        but in chapter 96 you can find this form

        peace

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          Now this is what I call an interesting topic.

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            czmead
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            Well I think you can't if you don't consider the vocalisation. I also had the idea that God is just smiling at us...

            That is an excellent point, however, as there are variant readings how do we know which vocalisation is correct? From what I have researched there are seven, generally accepted, variant readings, which from my understanding are only variant in how they are vocalised.

            It is only translating as "in the name of" that makes the first verse of the Quran a nominal sentence. If we translate it to mean "is pleased" or "is happy" then the sentence is no longer nominal and God then becomes the subject in the sentence. It follows then that if God is the subject of the sentence then the words are describing that which pleases God.

            Okay, my brain hurts. brickwall

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              by the way you did a mistake, the particule is BI and si attached to the noon ISM
              BI+ISMI = BISMI

              but in chapter 96 you can find this form

              peace

              Thank you for pointing that out, it is very helpful. I will do some more research as I have no idea how to know when to remove a root letter and still get the same meaning.

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                That is an excellent point, however, as there are variant readings how do we know which vocalisation is correct? From what I have researched there are seven, generally accepted, variant readings, which from my understanding are only variant in how they are vocalised.

                It is only translating as "in the name of" that makes the first verse of the Quran a nominal sentence. If we translate it to mean "is pleased" or "is happy" then the sentence is no longer nominal and God then becomes the subject in the sentence. It follows then that if God is the subject of the sentence then the words are describing that which pleases God.

                Okay, my brain hurts. brickwall

                A preposition is prefixed only with a noun;

                A verb does not have genitive case ending.

                Elided Verb The Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted Pronounced

                "Personal Name Ar'Reh'maan of Allah the Exalted is the recourse-resort to begin.

                Ar'Reh'maan is eternally the Fountain of Infinite Mercy".

                Word by word analysis

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                  Mazhar,
                  I don't really understand what you say.

                  It follows then that if God is the subject of the sentence then the words are describing that which pleases God.
                  Or it could still be the description of God, again depending on vocalisation as nominative or accusative/dative.

                  but in chapter 96 you can find this form
                  That would be another reason to read it in all other cases as one verb basama and not bism.

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