SO WHY ARE MILLIONS OR BILLIONS SO POOR.

drfazl

"The Secret Ingredient Knowedge", thus far not revealed for the seekers are yet to leave idolatry, the worldly knowledge. submission To the All Wise is the road to Bliss.

Seek to learn Wisdom! Shun Knowledge in humility.

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We afflicted the nations with suffering and adversity, that they might learn humility.

unknownuser

Peace be upon yuo Doctor,

We are we told to say"my Lord, increase my knowledge"?

Isn't learning the alphabet so we can read this forum worldy knowledge? Do you shun it?

drfazl

Peace be upon yuo Doctor,

We are told to say "my Lord, increase my knowledge"?

Isn't learning the alphabet so we can read this forum worldy knowledge? Do you shun it?

idolfree,

Shall we define knowledge from our understanding i.e, let us part from dictionary meaning/reading! Do you believe we can understand many things better philosophycally, and even higher than that- at spiritual levels for which dictionary/thesaurus/grammar/language is useless and meaningless?

At such levels, do you believe that
Only the universal language of observing/not seeing that counts?
Only the universal language of listenig/not hearing that counts?
Only the Universal Language of Understanding in the heart but not reading with the eyes and hearing with the ears that counts?

You prety well know your language which you rely heavily upon a lot for knowledge, is very rudimentary, with no hope at all to evolve better for communicating. Understanding the reality is entirely different, totally unconnected with the knowledge, falsehood! Dictionary uses such as reading/writing have no value in understanding unless you evolve much higher comprehending, for which the way "ILM" is opened towards the Unseen Reality and the Hidden Truth, comprehensively understood as the HIKMATH.

When Allah asks us to say "O Lord increase my Understanding!". the literal/dictionary meaning translates the "ILM" as 'knowledge', by which we mean, seeing/hearing; and reading/writing. Only 'Brain-reflex' at lower levels, without the element of higher understanding or comprehension come into play there; and, never the highest faculty comes to life -, neither the Command of the Soul is appreciated there, nor, the humility of mind in one's heart is placed in submission to the Command.

unknownuser

Salaams Mehdi,
yes Mehdi we the traditionalist are so rich we get trodden on ,we see our fellow muslims dying of hunger,we are the worst of the worst but still we are rich, we don't have the means to defend- to arm ourselves beacause we are so rich - we have lots and lots of ritual preyars ,fasts,hajes to our names Indeed YOU ARE THE RICHEST!

May Allah give us taufeeq to see what is ricness Bro.

No thanks i don't need your riches , to you be yours.

Salaams Mehdi.

unknownuser

Salaams Mehdi,
sorry for you gave a philosophical answer,i think,but i was more into the practical aspects of being well off through knowledge
which basically most of the world is apart from the traditionalists.

Salaams.

Green_Leaves

Peace,

We are we told to say"my Lord, increase my knowledge"?

This is kind of an "off-topic" question, but I am interested in what you think...

Is that verse talking about knowledge in terms of educational knowledge or religious knowledge?

zenje

The difference between worldly education/possesions and true knowledge...

And their prophet said to them ?God has sent Saul to you as a king.? They said ?How can he have the kingship when we are more deserving than him, and he has not been given an abundance of wealth?? He said ?God has chosen him over you and increased him in knowledge and stature.? God grants His sovereignty to whom He chooses; and God is Encompassing, Knowledgeable.
The ones who took their system as amusement and games, and were preoccupied with this worldly life. Today We forget them as they forgot their meeting on this Day, and they did not heed Our revelations.
And We have come to them with a Scripture which We have detailed with knowledge; a guide and a mercy to those who believe.

1276 ...We raise the degrees of whom We please, and over every one of knowledge is the All Knowledgeable.

And to let those who have been given knowledge know that it is the truth from your Lord, and they will believe in it, and their hearts will soften to it. And God will guide those who believe to a straight path.
Have you seen the one who took his ego as his god, and God led him astray, despite his knowledge, and He sealed his hearing and his heart, and He made a veil on his eyes? Who then can guide him after God? Will you not remember?

Green_Leaves

Those are some nice verses, but do they apply to educational knowledge or only religious knowledge or both?

drfazl

Worldly knowledge is very much tainted with falsehood due to the removal of the ability to understand, as just recompense since the people took to their pride,- they consider their learning (seeing/hearing; reading/writing) from the likes of them equivalent to what Allah has in store for them. A grave shirk!

Knowledge is understanding the TRUTH. When Allah asks us to pray "O Lord Increase my Knowledge!", it is seeking from HIM, to increase our ability to understand or remind ourselves of the TRUTH we have forgotten. What the people learn to day is nothing but falsehood, away from the truth. The knowledge must lead you to the attainment of final command "Be and It Is!" By, Allah's decree.

Knowledge is wrongly applied to the process of learning the heavily contaminated hopeless burden that leads to destruction of mental peace. What Allah has for us alone is knowledge, which shall lead us to BLISS. The rest are pure pride and ego, unfit for peace, conducted by IBLIS.

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Doctor,

You are going back and forth and not being very clear. Above, you SEMMED to indicate that the translation was wrong and that it should read "My Lord increase my WISDOM", if that is the case, then what does WISDOM translate as?

I do understand what you mean by THINKING PROCESS vs DIRECT INTUITION, I do understand that the peaceful mind will deliver the TRUTH to you, but my question is, WHY does the God tell us to seek increase in knowledge? And again, if you say it should read WISDON, then what does the word that is translated as WISDOM mean?

drfazl

Peace be upon you Doctor,
You are going back and forth and not being very clear. Above, you SEMMED to indicate that the translation was wrong and that it should read "My Lord increase my WISDOM", if that is the case, then what does WISDOM translate as?
I do understand what you mean by THINKING PROCESS vs DIRECT INTUITION, I do understand that the peaceful mind will deliver the TRUTH to you, but my question is, WHY does the God tell us to seek increase in knowledge? And again, if you say it should read WISDON, then what does the word that is translated as WISDOM mean?

not being very clear
Not getting at it very clear is true. I could follow that from your post. So it seems to you as if I am going back and forth.

What wisdom translates as?
To this I have not yet gone into and we shall eventually clear that too.

THINKING PROCESS vs DIRECT INTUITION thinking process is knowledge; direct intuition is Wisdom.

I do understand that the peaceful mind will deliver the TRUTH
No. It is the reverse of it is true.

WHY does the God tell us to seek increase in knowledge?
Seek ILM from HIM alone is what the Command is! It is individualistic. ILM and HIKMATH. ILM the way; and HIKMATH, the traget, the TRUTH!

unknownuser

Peace be upon you Doctor,

not being very clear
Not getting at it very clear is true. I could follow that from your post. So it seems to you as if I am going back and forth.

I did not underrstand that.

What wisdom translates as?
To this I have not yet gone into and we shall eventually clear that too.

OK.

THINKING PROCESS vs DIRECT INTUITION thinking process is knowledge; direct intuition is Wisdom.

Agreed.

I do understand that the peaceful mind will deliver the TRUTH
No. It is the reverse of it is true.

I disagree, the God says that he does not change the condition of a people until they change what is in thier minds(1311). So it is not until we develop a mind of peace that we get the Truth. In fact, the truth is already here staring us in the face, we are just not tuned in to the channel of PEACE so we can see it.

Please elaborate on why you see it the opposite way.

WHY does the God tell us to seek increase in knowledge?
Seek ILM from HIM alone is what the Command is! It is individualistic. ILM and HIKMATH. ILM the way; and HIKMATH, the traget, the TRUTH

Thats what I have been saying all along, knowledge, properly applied, can lead us to wisdom.

Please lets continue this discussion in the forum I have created for this discussion called "knowledge vs. wisdom"

Perhaps someone can move these last two posts to that thread.

drfazl

Peace be upon you Doctor,
I do understand that the peaceful mind will deliver the TRUTH
No. It is the reverse of it is true.