Biography of Muhammad
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Peace brother kgwithnob
I do not claim to have monopoly on understanding The Qur?aan. I am claiming that you do not know much about The Qur?aan.
Here again we have a classical example of someone who thinks that everyone who disagree with his interpretation of Quran doesn't know much about the Quran. In fact, you have just confirmed my claim, that you claim to have monopoly on understanding the Quran.
The expression ?peace be upon?/?pbuh? is exactly a Qur?aanic expression, and that is why I used it. See surah 37 through which the same expression has been used several times, regarding Noah, Abraham, Moses, Aaron, and Elias, and at the end it?s been used for all of the messengers. See 37181 bellows.
You failed to provide any Quranic evidence of 'pbuh' be used in regard to a person called Muhammad.
2nd I believe you need to set aside a good amount of time to start studying The Qur?aan from cover to cover, and in its own language, i.e. Arabic, to be able to render a better judgment and understanding about it.
You know next to nothing about me or my skills, still you cannot stop yourself from judging my abilities. That says a lot about you. In fact, I do understand Arabic, and I have read the Quran several times. So please brother, at least ask me about my abilities before guessing.
3rd Muhammad had no MALE offspring.
Please provide some evidences that Muhammad no MALE offspring.
4th Jews, Christians, or... as long as you believe in GOD, the hereafter, and lead a righteous life, you go to paradise. See 262, 569
Yes. But Jews and Christians dont believe in any particular person whos personal name was Muhammad. So that means, that you don't have to believe in a person named muhammad, no?
5th Follow the ever lasting MESSAGE, the messenger is dead.
I would suggest you to provide some evidences for your above claim, thanks.
Peace
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Can you explain to me how this verse, 33,40 indicates that muhammad is a name or more importantly, that it was a person with this name who came with the quran. And can you also explain to me that in the case of muhammad being a personal name, what 'muhammad is not the father of any your men' means? I mean, for sure muhammad had some kids, no?
I dont see any proof in the above quoted verses of yours, that muhammad was the person who came with the quran.
Peace -- use simple cross-reference; daughters only and Qur'an descended unto...
3340 not he is Muhammad father one from rijlikum/gentlemen (i.e. more formal address) yours and however messenger the god and seal the prophets and he is the god in every thing knowing
3359 O dear/you the prophet say to spouses yours and girls/daughters yours and women the believers draw onto them from garments theirs (f/p) that lowest that they are known so not disturbed/harmed and he is the god forgiving merciful
297 say who he is enemy they to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on heart yours by permission the god confirming of to what between hands his (i.e. between hands is directly from) and guidance and glad tidings for the believers
31 alif lam meem
32 the god not deity except he the living the sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming of to what between hands his and descended the taurat and the injeel472 and the ones believe they and do they the righteous works and believe they in what descended on Muhammad and it the truth from lord theirs kfr/rids from them evil deeds theirs and correct condition theirs
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sister supportpeacenotwar
I could have worded that better - I meant more that there are academics who write about Muhammad's life for example, drawing upon hadith. Nearly all authors or academics would do this. I don't think they would question Quran alone Muslims but Islamic scholars would. I was also thinking of people like Karen Armstrong - who may not be considered an "academic" although her work is highly acclaimed by some giving her a position of authority. However, I don't think these people would question us. Only those who are already Muslim might. I have no gripes or anything against any type of author or scholar etc, I'm just the type of person who reads perspectives but still comes to the Quran with a fresh outlook. I like to avoid filters, I think a lot of us would feel that way, to allow God to guide us to the reality of the Message - taking the text, recitation etc for what it is.
You indeed have a point. You see, academics who write about Muhammads life are just copying hadith as hadith is the only source of information about him. That is not the same as to say that he has existed, as Hadith are NOT scientific nor archaeological or historical proofs. That is just to explain the muslim belief. Its like academics writing about Krishna or an alien - it would be just a reproduction of the claimers claim/the adherents belief.
But when we talk about a well documented historical figure, like the pharaohs of ancient Egypt, on whom we have plenty of plenty archaeological and historical proof of not only their existence but also on their lifestyles, works, deeds, death and so on, then the academics would stick to the scientific evidences and the existence of the Pharaohs cannot be disputed scientifically. The alternative would be to reproduce the bibles story of the Pharaoh, but that would not be a scientific evidence.The rest, I feel the same about it as you.
Well - I think this is where I differ. I take it from the view of there is an author or voice in the Quran that gives a Message and essentially presents evidence and a description of reality how it is. i.e. there is one God. For me, when the Quran states that some people took someone else's word and made them a type of Lord above or next to God, such as, in those times, rabbis, religious scholars - there is an implication. The types of higher education and academics we have now did not exist in the same way back then. I'm not saying anyone is taking academics, authors etc as Lord or anything like that. But I do think there is a principle here.
I definitely think that too.
This implication, for myself, maybe not others but this is personal to me, is that any position or argument derived from man has to be looked at very critically. If we believe the Quran is from God, we're saying we clearly view this knowledge as apart and distinct from all others. People of course will take this to differing degrees. This means that we view the knowledge we derive from the Quran differently from other types of knowledge we may garner from the world around us, at least that's how I view it. Believers have ascertained as individuals from the straightforward evidence that the Quran is a Message from God/inspired by God and that this knowledge and understanding has been bestowed on all of us, as individuals, by Him. We didn't need to go through anyone else to get it. Because I believe even through translation, we can completely understand the Quran as God intends for us. So, other sources can be helpful but the Quran is this way is the "first port of call" so to speak.
This is my personal approach, I understand that you may disagree.No I do actually have somehow the same position as you do. I do also approach the Quran with the intention of getting guidance from My Lord, but of course we all have different prerequisites as well as different expectations, experiences and so on which inevitably would color our understanding of the Quran.
Peace
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Peace -- use simple cross-reference; daughters only and Qur'an descended unto...
3340 not he is Muhammad father one from rijlikum/gentlemen (i.e. more formal address) yours and however messenger the god and seal the prophets and he is the god in every thing knowing
3359 O dear/you the prophet say to spouses yours and girls/daughters yours and women the believers draw onto them from garments theirs (f/p) that lowest that they are known so not disturbed/harmed and he is the god forgiving merciful
297 say who he is enemy they to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on heart yours by permission the god confirming of to what between hands his (i.e. between hands is directly from) and guidance and glad tidings for the believers
31 alif lam meem
32 the god not deity except he the living the sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming of to what between hands his and descended the taurat and the injeel472 and the ones believe they and do they the righteous works and believe they in what descended on Muhammad and it the truth from lord theirs kfr/rids from them evil deeds theirs and correct condition theirs
Peace brother.
I fail to see your point. Please make yourself more clear.
Peace
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You failed to provide any Quranic evidence of 'pbuh' be used in regard to a person called Muhammad.
Dear Maha,
"pbuh" stands for "peace be upon him" is the English translation for the Arabic transliteration of "salaamun 'alayh", and when 37181 says, "And peace be upon all the messenger", and if we believe that Muhammad was one of the GOD's messengers (3144, 3340, 472, and 4829), then common sense dictates that we should use "pbuh" for Muhammad too.
I'm not sure if the above very simple logic can convince you that Muhammad was a person.
Peace,
Khalil -
Peace be with you.
I have been wanting to read a biography on Muhammad for quite some time now, but I'm unsure of where to go. I know of one biography called 'Muhammad A Prophet for our Time' but I don't know how trustworthy it is. Does anyone here have any recommendations?
Peace Ted1205,
Just curious, but "why" do you want to read a biography about Muhammad
when the Quran tells us who exactly who he was, or is it for the purpose of fact finding
or simply casual reading. As you may be aware historical figures are sometimes
only approximated by secondhand sources (his-story).ONE GOD is all we need
peace
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Dear Maha,
"pbuh" stands for "peace be upon him" is the English translation for the Arabic transliteration of "salaamun 'alayh", and when 37181 says, "And peace be upon all the messenger", and if we believe that Muhammad was one of the GOD's messengers (3144, 3340, 472, and 4829), then common sense dictates that we should use "pbuh" for Muhammad too.
I'm not sure if the above very simple logic can convince you that Muhammad was a person.
Peace,
KhalilWell I understand your argument, brother and that could be one interpretation. But personally when I look at your above quoted verses
37 181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.I fail to see where the verse ask ME to say 'pbuh' (peace be upon him) whenever I say a messengers name.
Peace
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I fail to see where the verse ask ME to say 'pbuh' (peace be upon him) whenever I say a messengers name.
You are quite right. I do not think that we are obligated to say "pbuh" every time we here the prophet's name. I believe if we want to be respectful towards the messengers of GOD, swt, we must treat them all just the same, and make no differentiation between any one of them.
Peace,
Khalil -
You are quite right. I do not think that we are obligated to say "pbuh" every time we here the prophet's name. I believe if we want to be respectful towards the messengers of GOD, swt, we must treat them all just the same, and m
ake no differentiation between any one of them.Peace,
KhalilAnd here we totally agree )
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Peace brother.
I fail to see your point. Please make yourself more clear.
Peace
Peace sister, you did ask this -- correct?
Quote from Maha on Yesterday at 035231 AM
I dont see any proof in the above quoted verses of yours, that muhammad was the person who came with the quran.Therefore by simple cross-reference...
472 and the ones believe they and do they the righteous works and believe they in what descended on Muhammad and it the truth from lord theirs kfr/rids from them evil deeds theirs and correct condition theirs
297 say who he is enemy they to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on heart yours by permission the god confirming of to what between hands his (i.e. directly from) and guidance and glad tidings for the believers
2185 shr/cycle ramadan the one that descended in it the Qur?an guidance to the humankind and clear signs from the guidance and the criterion so from affirm/witness (i.e. present and stationary not journeying) from among you al-shr/the cycle so to fast it and from he is illness of or on journey so count from days another intends the god with you the ease and not intends with you the hardship and to complete yeh the count and to magnify yeh the god over what he guided you and that may you thanks giving
31 alif lam meem 32 the god not deity except he the living the sustainer of all 33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming of to what between hands his and that descended the taurat and the injeel 34 from before guidance to al-nas/the humankind and that descended the criterion indeed the ones disbelieve/reject they in signs the god for them punishment severe and the god mighty owner reprisal
The above verses are very clear.
Peace
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Well I understand your argument, brother and that could be one interpretation. But personally when I look at your above quoted verses
37 181 And peace be upon the messengers.
37182 And praise be to God, Lord of the worlds.I fail to see where the verse ask ME to say 'pbuh' (peace be upon him) whenever I say a messengers name.
Peace
Yes, no one force you to say "pbuh" after you mention any Prophet. but its not prohibited too right?
its like, no one force me to do good to my neighbours, but again, is it something shameful to do good to my neighbours? of course not!we are all Quranist Muslims, we follow and worship ONE GOD alone, but it doesn't mean we have to DISRESPECT whoever we think as a mere mortal, perhaps, those mere mortals (Prohpets, shahabah, and whoever we criticize) were much more Muslim than us.
and again, don't because i mention shahabah then you think im a sunni. No, i read the Quran and nothing inside it tells me to hate ENTIRE shahabah (Prophets Companions)
btw, sorry for intervening you discussion (or more likely a debate), just giving my 2 cents
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Peace Everyone,
In my experience, those who say p.b.u.h. say it for Muhammad and not for Jonah,
or ezekiel, making distinction.As for those who believe in GOD and His messengers, and make no distinction
among them, He will grant them their recompense. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.God Bless
peace
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Peace Everyone,
In my experience, those who say p.b.u.h. say it for Muhammad and not for Jonah,
or ezekiel, making distinction.As for those who believe in GOD and His messengers, and make no distinction
among them, He will grant them their recompense. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.God Bless
peace
who is Ezekiel according to Quran?
Jonah is Yunus right? -
Peace Andantino,
Yes, Jonah is yunus (Sura 10, Jonah (Younus)
and Zal-Kifl by many is believed to be EzekielAlso, Ismail, Idr?s, Zal-Kifl; all were steadfast, patient.
Remember Ismail, Elisha, and Zal-Kifl; among the most righteous.
Nevertheless the point being, many who mention the names of some messengers
will not say P.B.U.H after mentioning such names, making distinction. Just my
experience.God is all-knowing
peace