Day & Night Phenomenon described in the quran
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Peace, FearGod.
You are proposing that all of us should be in the same position.
So all of us have to be businessmen and bosses or all of us to be kings or Doctors..etc.
I'm not insinuating that all of us should have the same profession; that's not what 'equality' is about. I'm merely saying that we could all reasonably be in the same position, held in the same political, social and economical position. That's clearly not the case in the world. A clear example of this? Slavery! Has God ordained for some people to be slaves and others to be masters? What kind of statute and standard for equality is that?!
The Bible, which the Quran claims to support and authenticate, clearly endorses slavery, especially in the Jewish Torah. Are you saying that, in order to be acceptable to God, I should strive to be the 'best slave I can be'?
I think slavery is a good example of the extreme inequality in the world today, and the Quranic passages you posted appear to allude to the unreasonable concept of domestic inequality too.
Behold, how We prefer some of them over others! And surely the world to come is greater in ranks, greater in preferment. (1721)
Nay, but you prefer the present life; (8716)
and the world to come is better, and more enduring. (8717)such as prefer the present life over the world to come, and bar from Gods way, desiring to make it crooked -- they are in far error. (143)
Whoso desires the present life and its adornment, We will pay them in full for their works therein, and they shall not be defrauded there; (1115)
Every soul shall taste of death; and We try you with evil and good for a testing, then unto Us you shall be returned (2135)
Lo! We have placed all that is on the earth as an ornament thereof that We may try them which of them is best in conduct. (187)
Surely We will try you with something of fear and hunger, and diminution of goods and lives and fruits; yet give thou good tidings unto the patient (2155)
Do the people reckon that they will be left to say We believe, and will not be tried? (292)
who created death and life, that He might try you which of you is fairest in works; and He is the All-mighty, the All-forgiving -- (672)
Does God prefer the masters to the slaves? Is that why they're "higher in rank"?
It's easy to imagine the 'world-to-come' and how wonderful it will be... But, as a slave, I can't see that right now; all I see at this point is the cruelty of my master. Why is God willing to put me through that type of suffering, while hoping for a 'world-to-come', when there's not even proof of a future life at all? You're saying that I should merely endure the suffering and 'hope for the best'?
Tests are designed to teach lessons. So, when someone is killed by 'evil', what lesson are they learning? How can they benefit from being killed by a murderer, or by being raped by a perpetrator, or by dying of cancer?
What do you think?
Peace,
Ahmad
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Peace, Man of Faith.
I won't address most of what you said, due to it being overly subjective and entirely based on your personal beliefs and convictions - NOT FACTS! I will say something concerning a few of your absurd assertions, though.
I have observed you for quite a while and I once more ask you what you do here, brother Ahmad Bilal. Is it for your own amusement or due to the feeling you want to aid people out of the God delusion? Do you think we live miserable lives due to our belief?
No, that is for those who do not believe in God or are weak in Faith.
So, people who DON'T believe in God, or are "weak in faith", are delusional and live miserable lives? That claim is absolutely ridiculous, and there's nothing to support this outrageous claim at all. If anything, the opposite is true - 'believers' are actually the "miserable" ones, constantly feeling unworthy (suffering from low self-esteem) and indebted to whatever god they choose to embrace. They feel the need to kneel down and 'beg' their god for forgiveness of their errors and mistakes, even though he, being omnipotent, is the one who "willed" for you to commit the sin in the first place. They constantly assert that they "love" God, even though they've never met him, nor have they seen any verifiable evidence for his existence at all. They thank God for putting food on their tables, even though they're the ones who work to make money and shop to buy sustenance for themselves, etc.
If you think nonbelievers are living miserable lives, then you need to look up the word "misery"...
So tell me, what is your intention, if you could be honest? Because I am not so stupid that I cannot see that you are here other than to argue whether there is a God or not, and your opinion seems to be quite certain that there are no deities based on your utterances. And you try to simply prove people wrong, which is a typical human traits for whatever purpose that fulfills. Self-gratification?
Are you here to feel good by criticizing people's seemingly more or less illogical, irrational explanations on such an abstract topic as God, proving them wrong when there really is no right or wrong? "Everything is possible, nothing is impossible", if you believe in God. So your logic has no meaning in this world should God wish it.
Ummmm, okay... If "everything is possible" and "nothing is impossible", then ask God to eliminate evil from the world. That shouldn't be a difficult thing for him, right? In fact, ask God to miraculously heal someone who has an amputated limb. Surely, if he shaped the human body, then this should be pretty simple. Who needs doctors? If you get sick or injured, don't go to the hospital; just pray about it, and everything will be fine. Let me know how that turns out for you.
Laws of physics are there because someone or something created them. It is that simple, to us.
No complex DNA-strings were created by evolution alone. How can a few cells know how to create an evolved being?
Pieces of rock in the universe, they were hardly forming planets and with substances coincidentally placed there to make things work. How do you explain that atoms form molecules and become a mass of something? There are more questions here by believing in natural selection than in a divinely controlled evolution. Where is the logic in that?
You need to study physics and evolutionary biology, brother. It's clear that you haven't done so, and I think doing so would probably be very beneficial for you... I would recommend some books for you, but you probably won't read them anyway; you believe that the Quran has all the answers. So, if that's your estimation, then more power to you. To me, though, that's unacceptable.
Peace,
Ahmad
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Mr. Bilal,
I have nothing further to discuss with you. Good bye.
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Peace, FearGod.
I'm not insinuating that all of us should have the same profession; that's not what 'equality' is about. I'm merely saying that we could all reasonably be in the same position, held in the same political, social and economical position. That's clearly not the case in the world. A clear example of this? Slavery! Has God ordained for some people to be slaves and others to be masters? What kind of statute and standard for equality is that?!
The Bible, which the Quran claims to support and authenticate, clearly endorses slavery, especially in the Jewish Torah. Are you saying that, in order to be acceptable to God, I should strive to be the 'best slave I can be'?
I think slavery is a good example of the extreme inequality in the world today, and the Quranic passages you posted appear to allude to the unreasonable concept of domestic inequality too.
You're insinuating that all of us to be in the same position but not the same profession !!!!
So if i want to eat in mcdonalds,then the boss of the restaurant chains should serve me,otherwise a less person in position the waiter in our case has to serve me.
So you want a world with all to be in the same position and not necessarily the same profession and that is impossible and can only be possible for the mind of stupid ones but god is all wise,all knowing.
The world of today is slaves for their desires and mainly for money.
Men panting after naked women like a panting dogs and some others may kill for money.
Just try to put an advertisement in one newspaper saying,a slave wanted for one month recruitment with advance payment of one million dollars.
Tell me how many person in this world will accept this offer ?some may found the one million isn't attractive,but may found one milliard to be enough,so eventually we are slaves for money.
Wars can be initiated because of money,the god of this mundane life.
Moreover you are blaming god that we don't have equal social,economic and political position in this world as if god ordered us to make borders,no you are absolutely wrong and so ignorant about what is Islam which is supposed to be for one ummah,no borders and one unbiased and rightful khalifa for one world and that actually will happen in the time of Jesus PBUH as the lord of our world in the end times which of course you don't believe in and trying hard for others to have your path of darkness.
Does God prefer the masters to the slaves? Is that why they're "higher in rank"?
It's easy to imagine the 'world-to-come' and how wonderful it will be... But, as a slave, I can't see that right now; all I see at this point is the cruelty of my master. Why is God willing to put me through that type of suffering, while hoping for a 'world-to-come', when there's not even proof of a future life at all? You're saying that I should merely endure the suffering and 'hope for the best'?
Tests are designed to teach lessons. So, when someone is killed by 'evil', what lesson are they learning? How can they benefit from being killed by a murderer, or by being raped by a perpetrator, or by dying of cancer?
What do you think?
Peace,
Ahmad
Islam is to submit and surender yourself to the willing of god,but you are so far from this concept by saying why god won't treat cancer,why not treating AIDS,why not treating.....,why not make all of us rich..etc.
What about a rich and his son is dying by a cancer,what about a poor and his son is healthy.
You're attitude is a rebillion which is exactly against Islam .
Say "If any men go astray, (Allah) Most Gracious extends (the rope) to them, until, when they see the warning of Allah (being fulfilled) - either in punishment or in (the approach of) the Hour,- they will at length realise who is worst in position, and (who) weakest in forces! (1975)
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"God when mentions (Day) he means the lands that shows the Day and when mentioning the night then he means the lands which shows the night and you can realize that by understanding all other verses which show clearly that god is pointing to the lands which have night or day.
"This seems to be extra from you . . . else that is NOT what night to day means . . . that just means the night becomes day.
"you can realize that by understanding all other verses which show clearly that god is pointing to the lands which have night or day."
And what verses are those . . ? your final point is somewhat unclear. Maybe you should explain in more detail.
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"God when mentions (Day) he means the lands that shows the Day and when mentioning the night then he means the lands which shows the night and you can realize that by understanding all other verses which show clearly that god is pointing to the lands which have night or day.
"This seems to be extra from you . . . else that is NOT what night to day means . . . that just means the night becomes day.
"you can realize that by understanding all other verses which show clearly that god is pointing to the lands which have night or day."
And what verses are those . . ? your final point is somewhat unclear. Maybe you should explain in more detail.
The quran describes the night in one verse to enter into the day and in other verse to roll the night around the day
Thou makest the night to enter into the day and Thou makest the day to enter into the night (327)
He rolleth the night around the day, and rolleth the day around the night (395)We know that night (darkness) doesn't move or roll but we can realize and understand that the day(light) moves due to the sun,but to describe that the darkness (night) to move is irrational then it is very clear that what is meant is the lands which moves from darkness to light and from light to darkness.
Also other verses desrcibing the same thing
The day as it reveals the sun rays (913) so the land that reveals the sun rays showing the day
and the night as it veils sun rays (914) so the land that veils sun rays showing the nightHope that is clear and understood to you and please look to the figures that explain it.
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It is not very helpful to use language like "Thou" - it is archaic English - why not use Standard English?
"We know that night (darkness) doesn't move or roll but we can realize and understand that the day(light) moves due to the sun,
It seems you have misunderstood the verses - all the verses are saying is night and day follow each other in time and this pattern in repeated. It is not saying - the darkness moves!
but to describe that the darkness (night) to move is irrational then it is very clear that what is meant is the lands which moves from darkness to light and from light to darkness."
It isn't very clear that it means what you say . . in fact you are the only person I have come across that states this!
What is clear to me - is that night and change into each other . . . and that is it. As to the the effect on the land . . . then consider this - it is for that land that this patter occurs . . .
So - it is not the land that is meant - but the phenomena itself.
913 is different . . .
And the day when it displays it
Here all it says is - that the "day displays the sun"
That's it.
I think your understanding is not correct . . . can I ask . . . how much Arabic do you understand?
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It is not very helpful to use language like "Thou" - it is archaic English - why not use Standard English?
"We know that night (darkness) doesn't move or roll but we can realize and understand that the day(light) moves due to the sun,
It seems you have misunderstood the verses - all the verses are saying is night and day follow each other in time and this pattern in repeated. It is not saying - the darkness moves!
but to describe that the darkness (night) to move is irrational then it is very clear that what is meant is the lands which moves from darkness to light and from light to darkness."
It isn't very clear that it means what you say . . in fact you are the only person I have come across that states this!
What is clear to me - is that night and change into each other . . . and that is it. As to the the effect on the land . . . then consider this - it is for that land that this patter occurs . . .
So - it is not the land that is meant - but the phenomena itself.
913 is different . . .
And the day when it displays it
Here all it says is - that the "day displays the sun"
That's it.
I think your understanding is not correct . . . can I ask . . . how much Arabic do you understand?
May i ask you a question which will may helps you to understand.
day displays the sun
The question is
Can it be a day without a land ? if there is no land,then there is no day.
So still we are talking about the land.The verses are very clear to me even in Arabic better than in English and i have discussed those verses with my cousin who is
professor in Islamic religion and he agreed with me too.i don't know why you can't get it,it is so simple and easy to understand.
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"Can it be a day without a land ?"
Perhaps yes - I do not really know. I have never faced the question like this.
However - what I am sure of - you can discuss day and night - independent of land. It is often done so. If you talk about "day and night" - it doesn't automatically lead to "land". There is not a hint of implication about land in the 4 verses which you quoted.
"The verses are very clear to me even in Arabic better than in English and i have discussed those verses with my cousin who is
professor in Islamic religion and he agreed with me too."You avoided answering. Also which university is your cousin professor at? His name?
"i don't know why you can't get it,it is so simple and easy to understand."
It isn't that your point is hard to get . . . just that it is inaccurate and novel. Who else has the similar view? Perhaps someone else has described in greater length?
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"Can it be a day without a land ?"
Perhaps yes - I do not really know. I have never faced the question like this.
However - what I am sure of - you can discuss day and night - independent of land. It is often done so. If you talk about "day and night" - it doesn't automatically lead to "land". There is not a hint of implication about land in the 4 verses which you quoted.
i am afraid you are ignorant in science,day and night belong to land,let me describe it as follow land ON(Day).land OFF(night)
i can't help you if you don't want to understand or except if you just like to memorize how scholars interpreted it hundreds years ago which you think that they were right,but no they weren't as today we can understand the quran much better with modern science as we did also understand the verse describing the universe as being one piece which wasn't known to them or the creation of earth while the sky was smoke which i have discussed it also with Ahmed Bilal who was similar to you opposing that the quran did know such modern findings in science.tempt
"The verses are very clear to me even in Arabic better than in English and i have discussed those verses with my cousin who is
professor in Islamic religion and he agreed with me too."You avoided answering. Also which university is your cousin professor at? His name?
i don't have to tell you what is his name or the university which he graduated from,sorry,what about telling my mother name too.
It isn't that your point is hard to get . . . just that it is inaccurate and novel. Who else has the similar view? Perhaps someone else has described in greater length?
Who are you to judge and saying it is inaccurate ? you are not even saying god knows better,what kind of rudeness is this ?
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"i am afraid you are ignorant in science"
No - I am not. . . but science is big subject - there is no man who is competent in the whole subject. It is pretty meaningless to say what you said. There are elements I am far more competent than others.
"day and night belong to land,let me describe it as follow land ON(Day).land OFF(night)"
What science is this?
"i can't help you if you don't want to understand or except if you just like to memorize how scholars interpreted it hundreds years ago which you think that they were right,but no they weren't as today we can understand the quran much better with modern science as we did also understand the verse describing the universe as being one piece which wasn't known to them or the creation of earth while the sky was smoke which i have discussed it also with Ahmed Bilal who was similar to you opposing that the quran did know such modern findings in science."
Another bizarre response . . . just drivel . . . if you are going to explain something - then do so . . . what is harping on about me got to do with it?
"who was similar to you opposing that the quran did know such modern findings in science."
I don't know Ahmed Bilal - and this is out right wrong . . . have some shame in making things up about others - which you do clearly do not know.
"i don't have to tell you what is his name or the university which he graduated from,sorry,what about telling my mother name too."
What has your mother's name got to do with it? Is she professor in Islam too? See - I don't believe you.
"Who are you to judge and saying it is inaccurate ? you are not even saying god knows better,what kind of rudeness is this ?"
Try reading your own responses . . .
Poor and very poor. You made all this drivel up - when it is exposed - you have got nowhere to go . . . what are you going to invent?
Another cousin who is professor of science, somewhere?
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"i am afraid you are ignorant in science"
No - I am not. . . but science is big subject - there is no man who is competent in the whole subject. It is pretty meaningless to say what you said. There are elements I am far more competent than others.
"day and night belong to land,let me describe it as follow land ON(Day).land OFF(night)"
What science is this?
it is marine science.
Another bizarre response . . . just drivel . . . if you are going to explain something - then do so . . . what is harping on about me got to do with it?
"who was similar to you opposing that the quran did know such modern findings in science."
I don't know Ahmed Bilal - and this is out right wrong . . . have some shame in making things up about others - which you do clearly do not know.
i have explained it and you can't get it,thats it.
Try reading your own responses . . .
Poor and very poor. You made all this drivel up - when it is exposed - you have got nowhere to go . . . what are you going to invent?
Another cousin who is professor of science, somewhere?
Exposed.
Who did expose it,you or Ahmed Bilal which you even don't know him,you aren't even reading the responces in this thread.
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"it is marine science."
No it isn't - it is Astronomy and Physics. Oceanography is to do with oceans!
"i have explained it and you can't get it,thats it."
You have explained it - and as I pointed out - your explanations are wacky - to say the least. After that - you have gone into drivel - read you last comment back to yourself.
"Who did expose it"
Me - you do not know what you are talking about. End of. You made this up - and that is it. You have no command over Arabic - and let's not mess about - you do not know much "science" either.
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"it is marine science."
No it isn't - it is Astronomy and Physics. Oceanography is to do with oceans!
"i have explained it and you can't get it,thats it."
You have explained it - and as I pointed out - your explanations are wacky - to say the least. After that - you have gone into drivel - read you last comment back to yourself.
"Who did expose it"
Me - you do not know what you are talking about. End of. You made this up - and that is it. You have no command over Arabic - and let's not mess about - you do not know much "science" either.
You have exposed it. rotfl
By saying "There is no relation between land ,day & night".
Please i don't have a lot of time to waste with ******
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You have exposed it. rotfl
By saying "There is no relation between land ,day & night".
Please i don't have a lot of time to waste with ******
You have nothing more to say . . . you have claimed many false things - which have are outright lies . . . you have made silly mistakes . . .
I have NOT said this
"There is no relation between land ,day & night"
You are lying outright . . . . that is really low!
Look mate - just stop the nonsense.
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You have nothing more to say . . . you have claimed many false things - which have are outright lies . . . you have made silly mistakes . . .
I have NOT said this
"There is no relation between land ,day & night"
You are lying outright . . . . that is really low!
Look mate - just stop the nonsense.
You are in the same line with Ahmed Bilal in denying the truth in the quran,but the truth is clear and obvious
and no one can stop it.You have bring nothing but your silly argument about what the day and night to do with the land.
Are you serious or kidding,i can't believe that you are that ignorant. -
You are in the same line with Ahmed Bilal in denying the truth in the quran,but the truth is clear and obvious
and no one can stop it.You have bring nothing but your silly argument about what the day and night to do with the land.
Are you serious or kidding,i can't believe that you are that ignorant.You are getting personal and rather abusive . . . you made a lying quote up - and seem to have no shame in lying . . . I have fully exposed you. There is nothing more to say.
You do not understand Arabic.
You do not understand much science.
And you have no qualms in lying . -
You are getting personal and rather abusive . . . you made a lying quote up - and seem to have no shame in lying . . . I have fully exposed you. There is nothing more to say.
You do not understand Arabic.
You do not understand much science.
And you have no qualms in lying .You are even lying by saying that i don't understand arabic which is my native language.
Do you have anything to say other than there is no relation between the land with day and night,
if you have any serious argument than this silly one,then bring it here.The land is day and the land is night,but you want it to be the sky is day and the sky is night.
How silly is it ,it is really disgusting that there is such stupity in the 21th century.
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"You are even lying by saying that i don't understand arabic which is my native language."
You need to look up what lying is . . . it has taken you this long to say that Arabic is your native language?
Sure . . .
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"Do you have anything to say other than there is no relation between the land with day and night,"
You are stupidly repeating your lie. . . there is no point in that.
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Peace,
Both of you, stop, there is no point in your heated discussion. It has turned into a quarrel with personal attacks. It is leading absolutely nowhere and leads only to hatred. So unnecessary for people who wish to be muslims whose main aim is to gain a peace of mind.
It is lowly to say someone lacks knowledge or lack in anything to make them seem inferior. That is an arrogant approach.
Feargod was discussing something hypothetically and you only aggressively attack his Arabic and scientific knowledge? Since when is it absurd to voice one's opinion, no matter amateurish or professional?
Have anything to say then do so in a humble, less arrogant manner.
And feargod, please calm down and do no be so provoked by someone who intentionally works to make you go crazy. Remember what we have to do to be good muslims.
No bad intentions meant with this post. Just to try to settle your grudge.
God bless you