Mathematical structure of the Quran - Visual presentation
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This video is to long and I'm not good in English, especially in listening.
If you're not busy or if you're willing, can you provide me the conclusion (If you wan't it's ok,I'm not forcing you)
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This video is to long and I'm not good in English, especially in listening.
If you're not busy or if you're willing, can you provide me the conclusion (If you wan't it's ok,I'm not forcing you)
Well, according to Dr. Ali R. Fazely this is conclusion,
According to the mathematics introduced in these talks, the Quran and the Scriptures in general, have always existed beyond the dimension of this physical universe in which we live in.
Ultimate Mathematics took form of a book called the Quran 1400 solar year ago.
It can be therefore concluded that the Quran is the literal embodiment of the Ultimate Mathematics and it can be only authored by God.My personal conclusion is that Quran is the Natural Law, as Dr. Fazely said, "If we go against laws of the nature, in this case Quran, God has to establish balance and than we suffer.(wars, hate, climate change etc..)"
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Peace,
Shame I cannot access YouTube from here, as it is banned and I have no good internet access, but I agree with your summary. There is no stand-alone video file or written work associated with this video?
I have already suspected that the mathematical phenomenon is more intricate than simply 19 and 7. It seems like different natural observations can be paralleled to mathematical patterns of Quran. The harmony of the world seems to be coded to certain numbers.
One thing I have been thinking about is that the entirety of God lands on 19 for some reason. But I think it is as Dr. Khalifa said, because 1 is the first number and 9 the last. All this person said was not nonsense. For example, the three attributes In God's name, Most Gracious, Most Merciful is made up by 19 letters.
Apart from that, in chapter 1, 17 and 12 also have relevance. Funnily, 12 is my old lucky number.
Many of the good thinkers of this forum are not believing in any mathematical pattern in Quran, but I have never ruled that out even if people have come with good arguments against it, many times with the basis that Dr. Khalifa went astray and was simply playing with numbers.
But we can clearly see that there is a play with numbers in Quran, such as the count of the word Day and other obvious non-coincidences. God used mathematics for the layout of His book, it is quite logical, why should he not, it is an exacting science. If it is someone who can be very precise in exact measures that is God. How else could He create the Universe? Why not use this perfect science to compose Quran too?
I am sure God used numbers when He put Quran in order. It is, with very high probability, measured to the exact letter. I am sure he left hints to His existence in it too for the observant to discover.God is Most Merciful. It is these hints I believe in and appreciate and made me a stronger Believer.
Of course God created the Quran with mathematical precision, can there be any doubt about it? He want to impress us with his omnipotence, why not impress us with Quran too by making it mathematically precise?
I doubt God is only perfect in His words, the Quran is perfect in every aspect. What is a better showoff of His ability than to leave an intricate mathematical structure in it, primarily based around especially a prime number such as 19?
If they can also interlock with every other number in relevant ways, it will show what a Master He is.
God bless you
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Shame I cannot access YouTube from here, as it is banned and I have no good internet access, but I agree with your summary. There is no stand-alone video file or written work associated with this video?
You can download Dr. Fazely's book about this from -->>HERE<<--
I have already suspected that the mathematical phenomenon is more intricate than simply 19 and 7. It seems like different natural observations can be paralleled to mathematical patterns of Quran. The harmony of the world seems to be coded to certain numbers.
One thing I have been thinking about is that the entirety of God lands on 19 for some reason. But I think it is as Dr. Khalifa said, because 1 is the first number and 9 the last. All this person said was not nonsense. For example, the three attributes In God's name, Most Gracious, Most Merciful is made up by 19 letters.This mathematical structure is much more than just miracle of 19. I'm not follower of Rashad Khalifa but he was probably right when he said that there is something special about this number in the Quran.
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Peace,
But we can clearly see that there is a play with numbers in Quran, such as the count of the word Day and other obvious non-coincidences. God used mathematics for the layout of His book, it is quite logical, why should he not, it is an exacting science. If it is someone who can be very precise in exact measures that is God. How else could He create the Universe? Why not use this perfect science to compose Quran too?
I am sure God used numbers when He put Quran in order. It is, with very high probability, measured to the exact letter. I am sure he left hints to His existence in it too for the observant to discover.God is Most Merciful. It is these hints I believe in and appreciate and made me a stronger Believer.
God bless you
Peace.
I agree that Allah?s creation in the heavens and the earth are in perfect measure, His Book, the Quran has mathematical structure and so does all His future record books (kitab) of every person?s deeds, the Sijjin and the Illiyyun (see 83 all ayats), all are in mathematical order. Mathematics is one of the basic requirements for human survival.
He sendeth down water from the sky, so that valleys flow according to their measure (qadar), and the flood beareth (on its surface) swelling foam - from that which they smelt in the fire in order to make ornaments and tools riseth a foam like unto it - thus Allah coineth (the similitude of) the true and the false. Then, as for the foam, it passeth away as scum upon the banks, while, as for that which is of use to mankind, it remaineth in the earth. Thus Allah coineth the similitudes. (1317)
God bless you.
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Peace Sonny,
I am not a follower of Dr. Khalifa either, but he was the beacon when I found out about true Islam. I think he rose the awareness that it may be a mathematical pattern in Quran.
Since I am much into science and logic it is an immense boost to my Faith if I can concretely see a proof of God. I come from an atheist background and a bit picky. But if the mathematical composition of Quran is truly real and verifiable then it is splendid.
I already believe in God, but some extra buff in terms of Quranic divinity is nothing wrong. The more the merrier.
Thanks for the link.
God bless you
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Well, according to Dr. Ali R. Fazely this is conclusion,
My personal conclusion is that Quran is the Natural Law, as Dr. Fazely said, "If we go against laws of the nature, in this case Quran, God has to establish balance and than we suffer.(wars, hate, climate change etc..)"Thank you @Sonny for provide.So it's about code 19.
Shame I cannot access YouTube from here, as it is banned
Youtube banned??So from where you accesed the internet?
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Peace Family,
When I first heard of the mathematical composition of scripture i.e. the bible code
I was not surprised because of the golden mean, also the freemasons refer to God
as the "master architect," you see, every physical thing that God has created has
structure, and structures have mathematical signatures, therefore if the Quran is from
God, it is not surprising that it would have mathematical structure as well, easy right?
Rashad khalifa went a step further, delineated/looked closer and saw that God can be
recognized in scripture by the number 19. I say congradulations to him for his endeavors,
like I would to any of you if you should find something unique about Quran. All the haters
and jealous scholars show their small mindedness by disliking a fellow because by God's
leave, he found something that they did not, how petty. I do not believe 19 is a
"miracle" or that it is significant enough to be denoted as a sect, just what it is and that
is "part" of the mathematical structure of Quran Kareem.This is not 19 but interesting
Sura 16, The Bee (Al-Nahl)
Female bees (the queen and all worker bees) have 16 pairs of chromosomes
(32 chromosomes in all). Male bees (drones) hatch from an unfertilized egg,
therefore they only have one set of 16 chromosomes. Sura 16 is titled
the Bee! Why keep someone from looking for these types of occurrences,if that is
what they want?peace
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Peace hawk99,
Thank you for your ideas. There are many interesting counts in Quran. Is it not 365 counts of the word day or something like that?
What is bizarre or wrong seeing these interesting discoveries? Is it strange if whole Quran had a cool intricate mathematical code layout? God is the Master, why would He not make a symmetrical Quran with a perfectionist layout including mathematics in its design?
We (humans) use mathematics for all our doings, what makes you think God is more primitive? Of course Quran is symmetrically composed with a mathematical precision.
God bless you
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Thank you
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Peace,
Thank you for the link. I have read half the pdf book by now and I like it. I get quite dizzy reading it, but I think the person knows what he is doing.
I am without doubt convinced that the Quran has a mathematic layout to the very letter.
But like I said before; it is just a sign of God.
Although, I am unfortunately more certain about the verses 9128 and 9129. On the other hand, the verses neither add anything relevant to Quran nor remove anything relevant, so I can let them be. They are outdated anyway as Muhammad is dead and cannot be feeling grief for the people anyway or feel merciful. All his contemporaries are with him in Heaven already and he knows which ones made it and not.
He does not know those who live right now and what you do not know about you do not suffer over.
Anyway, this doctor's thorough work made me pinpoint 128 and 129 as highly suspicious. Only my fear of being wrong makes me afraid of completely remove them despite the overwhelming evidence.
As a safety measure I leave them be, but I accept counts without the verses as it does not matter. Without the verses everything seems symmetric and in harmony.
We could almost even add a Basmallah to sura 9 without them, but that is God's work
Okay. That was a joke, nothing serious.
God was right though. No falsehood can ever enter the Quran (without being exposed as faulty). I am sure, hypothetically, that God let them add the verses as they did not add anything scripture-corrupting and was a further test for those who use the verses to idolize Muhammad.
Anyway, I do not care if the verses are there or not, I can let them be, for I know God's Message. I can even understand God's Message in the Bible despite overwhelming corruption.
This is what I believe and I accept my brothers and sisters who do not believe in one of God's marvels. I is not like you will be doomed to Hell, you just miss out on something. Anyway, I gladly join you in other discussions on things which are more relevant for our redemption. The main aim in islam is more important than this thing which is only to prove that Quran cannot be man-made and that God is really real. It is a warrant for me that God really composed this Message Himself.
God bless you
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Anyway, this doctor's thorough work made me pinpoint 128 and 129 as highly suspicious. Only my fear of being wrong makes me afraid of completely remove them despite the overwhelming evidence.
There is no "owerhelming" evidence when it comes to those 2 verses in my opinion. There is just not "strong enough" evidence to convince me.
I do believe that there are "codes" in the Quran but I'm not sure that we should just say that 128 and 129 does not belong to Quran.
When I found some time I will study those 2 verses more, also I will check if there are any hadiths that say something about this sura.
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Peace Sonny,
I find that the mathematical pattern is prevented by these two verses and this doctor makes it quite clear that they are utterly suspicious.
Despite it I take it as if they should be there unless and angel or the Holy Spirit comes down clearly telling me they are wrong. But I accept counts without them, hypothetically.
That a hadith mentions them is also suspicious. Hadith is unreliable, but sometimes you can use it out of a historical viewpoint and it may be used to reveal falsehood.
The two verses do not add anything which is utterly relevant for the scripture. On the other hand, they add unnecessary light on prophet Muhammad which may be negative.
I did not agree on everything this person wrote, but he had a point and he seemed well-educated. I hope I can solve the mystery with the two verses some time in life )
God bless you
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Peace Sonny,
I find that the mathematical pattern is prevented by these two verses and this doctor makes it quite clear that they are utterly suspicious.
Despite it I take it as if they should be there unless and angel or the Holy Spirit comes down clearly telling me they are wrong. But I accept counts without them, hypothetically.
That a hadith mentions them is also suspicious. Hadith is unreliable, but sometimes you can use it out of a historical viewpoint and it may be used to reveal falsehood.
Well some hadiths are indeed suspicious but to say that all hadiths are wrong is ignorance.
Look what I found in hadiths about verses 128 and 129 of this suraVolume 6, Book 61, Number 511
Narrated Zaid bin ThabitAbu Bakr sent for me and said, "You used to write the Divine Revelations for Allah's Apostle So you should search for (the Qur'an and collect) it." I started searching for the Qur'an till I found the last two Verses of Surat At-Tauba with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari and I could not find these Verses with anybody other than him. (They were)
'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty ...' (9.128-129)
This is very interesting indeed.
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Peace,
It was that I meant, Sonny. Hadith itself expose how people were at that time. And it may be further strengthening that 128 and 129 are wrong. What would these people gain from recording such a hadith anyway if it was nothing wrong occurring.
It is a difficult moral decision to remove these verses though as it is dangerous to tamper with God's revelations. However, nothing prevents one from hypothetically ignoring the verses in counts. When God deems you worthy to know the Truth you can remove them. I would not remove them except if God Himself sent the authorization to do it.
I would not call the verses satanic unless I knew to 110% that they do not belong in Quran.
God bless you
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Well some hadiths are indeed suspicious but to say that all hadiths are wrong is ignorance.
Look what I found in hadiths about verses 128 and 129 of this suraFor what, still using hadith to find each Quran verse's history and background is AsSunnah wal jam'ah' habits.The hadith only make you doubt to the Quran.Example in hadith which talk about Quranic verses eaten by goat, it's very mislead hadith, since it's fabricated n baseless.
Rashad Khalifa claim himself rejecting hadith, but still use hadith as his evidence.
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For what, still using hadith to find each Quran verse's history and background is AsSunnah wal jam'ah' habits.The hadith only make you doubt to the Quran.Example in hadith which talk about Quranic verses eaten by goat, it's very mislead hadith, since it's fabricated n baseless.
Rashad Khalifa claim himself rejecting hadith, but still use hadith as his evidence.
First of all I'm not follower of Dr. Khalifa and I'm not part of sunni, shia or any other islamic sect.
I think you are just forcing your opinion on other people. You dont have to believe in hadiths in order to study them and fact that you dont believe in hadiths does not mean they are all wrong. -
I think you are just forcing your opinion on other people. You dont have to believe in hadiths in order to study them and fact that you dont believe in hadiths does not mean they are all wrong.
No, I'm not forcing opinion and I still use hadith as historical reading not syari'a reading.