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EVERY CHRISTIAN SHOULD WAKE UP AFTER THIS VIDEO

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    Glory_be_to_allah
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    http//m.youtube.com/watch?v=tJmqmHMXZqQ

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      I think believes to Trinity is as essential as to one God on Islam. Since christiant believes about hell and heaven, even though they are proven wrong, they will keep defend it. Just like as Islam do.

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        Glory_be_to_allah
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        Peace

        When u come to realization that god is one , & the quran is the word of god
        & you know the truth..... It should disgust you to see someone praising other gods or praising jesus
        It hurts my soul too see that, even Thoe I show love and respect to all religions, but my love for allah is stronger
        When uknow the truth, you know right from wrong

        Peace

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          Peace

          When u come to realization that god is one , & the quran is the word of god
          & you know the truth..... It should disgust you to see someone praising other gods or praising jesus
          It hurts my soul too see that, even Thoe I show love and respect to all religions, but my love for allah is stronger
          When uknow the truth, you know right from wrong

          Peace

          Peace.

          Agreed. Exactly.

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            unknownuser
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            Thank you for sharing this video.But William Champbell vs Zakir Naik is better too.

            I think believes to Trinity is as essential as to one God on Islam. Since christiant believes about hell and heaven, even though they are proven wrong, they will keep defend it. Just like as Islam do.

            Good said.Trinity is like a dogma and doctrination which already entering deeply to Christian blood.

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              rolaaus
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              Peace

              When u come to realization that god is one , & the quran is the word of god
              & you know the truth..... It should disgust you to see someone praising other gods or praising jesus
              It hurts my soul too see that, even Thoe I show love and respect to all religions, but my love for allah is stronger
              When uknow the truth, you know right from wrong

              Peace

              I have heard it said of Islam, over and over again and again, time after time that Islam just "makes sense" and is so clearly logical, etc. etc.

              My question to you (all of you) is that if you believe what you just said, and what I have read time and again from other Muslim missionaries, than how do you explain ONE SINGLE Muslim converting to Islam?!

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                The christian trinity is not a Monotheistic concept. It's a Tritheistic doctrine. And tritheism is, by definition, a form of Polytheism. Thus in spit of prodigious mental gymnastics on the part of Trinitarians, the doctrine does not suggest Monotheism nor does it consider the existence of an absolute Truth, that is, the "Oneness of God," which is what Monotheism is all about ) The concept of plurality within God is definitely a denial of Monotheism, and is clearly foreign to the teachings of the the central religious texts of the Abrahamic religions, including the Old and New Testaments. The mere act of ascribing partners to God, whether they be SONS, daughters, or any kind of other partners, is considered to be blasphemous in Monotheism. In other words, there is no such a thing as "trinitarian monotheism." It's a hoax. the trinity is logically incoherent, mathematically absurd, philosophically imperfect, historically false and biblically indescribable. Therefore, it cannot be from God. Rather it is a man-made gibberish.

                "Anyone who can worship a trinity and insist that his religion is a monotheism can believe anything."
                Robert A. Heinlein.


                TRITHEISM
                the doctrine, worship of, or belief in three gods, esp. in the doctrine that the three persons of the Trinity (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost) are three distinct Gods, each an independent center of consciousness and determination.

                http//dictionary.infoplease.com/tritheism


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                  Man_of_Faith
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                  Peace,

                  I would rather be a Christian than a Muhammadan though.

                  God bless you

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                    Farabi
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                    If I read new testament yes it had a good way of live. But their believe to hell and heaven makes them became so aggresive. There is a documentation how the christiant helped a poor tribe on thailand before the became a free kids worker for. The churh. I saw it like christiant help is not sincere. It happened on thailand that the. Girls. Became sex object. Maybe someday I will give the youtube link. This is what. Make us worry when missionaris come. Theyi are abusing us. Even the church member80% just fu*kin arround literaly.

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                      No generalisation is good.

                      I am from a mostly catholic country and I KNOW there are christians really dedicated to service to others. who undertake things nobody would touch. But that is always the same with anything on earth, the crooks ride ont he back of the good deeds of others and cll the redits from the good work. It has always been like that. And most of those who do the good work know that it is like tht, but that is the question, they who do good work do not think of the crooks but of those who need help. And each one will answer for him or herself. As the Qur'an says, the good business of getting the cream of what others do will not continue int he akhira.

                      On the other hand, religion has always been used as a weapon by those bent on attaining worldly goals. Why not? It is an excellent weapon. And there are many so called Muslims that use it so, for their own petty purposes even to the detriment and undoing of sincere muslims. And on top of it parading religion and calling others who are Muslims kafiruun and what not.

                      I am sorry to bring a hadith here, but I will cite it, not because I consider it authentic or not but because what it says helps distinguish between different things. It says

                      religion is sincerity.

                      And sincerity is revealed when the person who pretends to believe something exacts things form her or himself and from others. A sincere person is exigent with himself not with others. THAT is the mark. The erson who tries to impose his "beliefs" and rules of conduct on others, is false. The real believer is too concerned about being good himself to go ordering about other people.

                      It is always so, it has always been so. We must have discernment and discrimination when judging things and not run away with the first comfortable notion that liberates us from the "awful" task of trying to understand and know by owrselves and reacting to the cues of the cuers.

                      Salaam

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                        I have heard it said of Islam, over and over again and again, time after time that Islam just "makes sense" and is so clearly logical, etc. etc.

                        My question to you (all of you) is that if you believe what you just said, and what I have read time and again from other Muslim missionaries, than how do you explain ONE SINGLE Muslim converting to Islam?!

                        Do you mean a Muslim converting to Christianity? Lack of education on their part. Most likely they don't know there own faith; but to each his own, that was their choice. Perhaps they feel lost within their community. If I was in a place like Saudi and dealt with their rules and ignorance towards women, I might convert to a more "peaceful" and "accepting" faith. Some Muslim countries show Islam in the worst form. Looking at those places and how they handle things, I would not have chosen their misrepresentation of Islam, then again that is most likely why I am on this site and not an orthodox sunni.

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                          What I can see from most christiant follower is, free sex, money interest, drugs etc. Do you think it is a good way of life? Its hell. I know how it was. I know Jesus teaching on New Testament is good, but if there is no one following it, its useless. Christianity had a notorious name among the muslim like gays marriage, and so on and so on. First, you have to get back to your scripture first and then start preaching us.

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                            No longer a Sunna-rejecter
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                            What I can see from most christiant follower is, free sex, money interest, drugs etc. Do you think it is a good way of life? Its hell. I know how it was. I know Jesus teaching on New Testament is good, but if there is no one following it, its useless. Christianity had a notorious name among the muslim like gays marriage, and so on and so on. First, you have to get back to your scripture first and then start preaching us.

                            I'm sure that's how many Christians feel about the so-called "Muslims".

                            I am no longer a Sunna-rejecter. See 4:59-65, 62:2-4, 3:31, 4:156, 7:157 Messenger teaches and is to be followed and obeyed. Examples of revelation received which is not in the Qur'an: 3:123-126, 33:37, 2:187, 66:3, 62:9.

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                              Peace,

                              Please do not paint Christians excessively black. Many from this religion live very righteous lives and are in many cases "better" than some aggressive and oppressive Muslims. Their "only" crime is belief in a blasphemous trinity. But like with Muhammadans the idolization is varying in degree.

                              Many so-called Muslims live pretty unrighteous lives with temporary marriages and oppression of women and all sorts of acts like this. Speak not of Christians not following their own scripture because that is quite widespread.

                              Many Muslims despite following all sorts of texts including hadith are not much better humans than Christians in terms of peacefulness and following the example of Muhammad.

                              I could still be a unitarian Christian if I had not known better now and I would have been righteous. That was my first step and I still rather identify myself with that type except that I know better than call myself Christian now.

                              I can understand people rather follow the example of Jesus than the image of Muhammad traditional Muslims make of him. Talk about painting a dead man black. If I had not been open-minded and researched about islam I would never have become the Quranic muslim I am. But I do not identify myself with the Muhammadans for they make the religion cold and scary rather than warm and tender.

                              If you consider my enlightened view then think of a perfect stranger who comes to islam and sees the religion may as well turn heels and run. I am glad I simply ignored the practitioners of traditional islam and searched for the Truth on my own. My wife was upset but she has given up now and are positively influenced by me now, even if she is still contaminated by traditional views.

                              God bless you

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                                I have heard it said of Islam, over and over again and again, time after time that Islam just "makes sense" and is so clearly logical, etc. etc.

                                My question to you (all of you) is that if you believe what you just said, and what I have read time and again from other Muslim missionaries, than how do you explain ONE SINGLE Muslim converting to Islam?!

                                I would hazard that matters of faith are not necessarily at all subject to logic or sense. Belief in something might "feel right" even though it is demonstrably absurd or untrue, and that is enough of an attraction for many, who are additionally often unwilling to critically examine those beliefs for fear of losing their faith, which they value.

                                Furthermore, it seems that most humans have a hard time believing in something unseen, incomparable and ultimately incomprehensible - people love to give divine attributes to humans, almost-humans or various statues or images of beings to which they can more easily relate.

                                Lastly, there seems to be a great attraction in the promise of guaranteed salvation through faith alone. Many denominations of christianity promise a "free pass" on judgement day for those who believe that Jesus will save them. Christians fervently cling to this conviction, possibly because it spares them the hard work of taking responsibility for their own actions and establishing an honest relationship with their Creator.

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                                  Harun
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                                  Thank you for sharing this video.But William Champbell vs Zakir Naik is better too.

                                  Good said.Trinity is like a dogma and doctrination which already entering deeply to Christian blood.

                                  Peace

                                  The Zakir Naik debates are anything but good. How can you say these things when the, as a fundamentalist he is, encourages

                                  1. To Call the Non Muslims "Kuffar"
                                  2. Tells acc to Quran "On the whole, Jews will always be enemy of Muslims"
                                  3. Tells Jinn can Posses people and all Black Magic stuff is real.

                                  and many much such stuff. The guy is very arrogant despite being fully ignorant. yuck

                                  Peace
                                  Harun

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                                    On islam those who did not follow the quran is called fasiq, and they will enter the hell eternally if their bad deeds is much more that good deeds. But on Islam thos who did not follow the quran will be punished. The problem why the fasiqin is rise because there is no law esthablised. If those fasiqin whatever theyare doing is forgiven it is not educating them, punishment is only for fasiqin.

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                                      I would hazard that matters of faith are not necessarily at all subject to logic or sense. Belief in something might "feel right" even though it is demonstrably absurd or untrue, and that is enough of an attraction for many, who are additionally often unwilling to critically examine those beliefs for fear of losing their faith, which they value.

                                      Furthermore, it seems that most humans have a hard time believing in something unseen, incomparable and ultimately incomprehensible - people love to give divine attributes to humans, almost-humans or various statues or images of beings to which they can more easily relate.

                                      Lastly, there seems to be a great attraction in the promise of guaranteed salvation through faith alone. Many denominations of christianity promise a "free pass" on judgement day for those who believe that Jesus will save them. Christians fervently cling to this conviction, possibly because it spares them the hard work of taking responsibility for their own actions and establishing an honest relationship with their Creator.

                                      Peace.

                                      Every follower of a religion is engrossed with the idea, to have faith in what you hold in your belief system, as the only true way to paradise. This is the central doctrine of an institutional religion. For what I know, according to the sunnis, you just need to hold on the syahada. One just needs to utter the syahada towards the end of their lives to get the free pass. To them, on the day of resurrection, people will group together according to their religion and each group will be searching for their prophet, to lead them to paradise. Don?t ask too many things, just stick to it. Have faith to protect your fate.

                                      How to make everyone critically examine what they hold?

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                                        Peace.

                                        Just to complete the message of the doctrine.

                                        Every follower of a religion is engrossed with the idea, to have faith in what you hold in your belief system, as the only true way to paradise. This is the central doctrine of an institutional religion. For what I know, according to the sunnis, you just need to hold on the syahada. One just needs to utter the syahada towards the end of their lives to get the free pass. To them, on the day of resurrection, people will group together according to their religion and each group will be searching for their prophet, to lead them to paradise. The ummah of prophet Muhammad will be saved. Other prophets, including Isa and Musa will disown their ummah, for they will join prophet Muhammad to paradise.

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                                          Glory_be_to_allah
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                                          Interesting post

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