Can someone confirm or deny this Miracle from Quran?
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Salaamun alayka,
This is similar to the 19 miracles.
For some mysterious reason peole want to validate The Book Allah sent to us with human inventions.
Therefore they work backwards and cheat to get these kind of miracles.Without knowing a single letter of arabic you can already see a lot of contradictions in his approach.
Salaam,
Bender -
Shalom Aleikhem,
That claim is a bit odd and strange. Let me assume that you read the entire document. This claim starts by telling you that there are 92 natural elements and till date 110 elements were identified. I was expecting them to show me either 92 elements or 110 via their method. However that is not the case. I counted them and found only 34 elements. But there are bigger problems then the number of elements shown being 34. There is no pattern, its all arbitrary. Totally random. Their methodology is dishonest. See this for example
Claim 1 Number of LETTERS from the beginning of the verse until the letters "Rn" appear 86
Atomic number of the element "Rn" 86 (verse 22)Claim 2 Number of LETTERS between the beginning of the verse and the letters Zr 40
Atomic number of the element "Zr" 40 (verse 13)Claim 3 Number of LETTERS between the beginning of the verse and the letters "Ta" 73
Atomic number of the element "Ta" 73 (verse 16)Claim 4 Number of LETTERS between the beginning of the verse and the letter "F" 9
Atomic number of the element "F" 9 (verse 1)Claim 5 Number of LETTERS between the beginning of the verse and the letter "O" 8
Atomic number of the element "O" 8 (verse 1)Claim 6 Number of LETTERS from the beginning of the verse to the letters "Sm" 62
Atomic number of the element "Sm" 62 (verse 15)Claim 7 Number of LETTERS between the beginning of the verse and the letter "K" 39
Atomic mass of the element "K" 39 (verse 2)Claim 8 Number of LETTERS between the beginning of the verse and the first appearance of the letter "S" 32
Atomic mass of the element "S" 32 (verse 4)Claim 9 Number of LETTERS from the beginning of the verse to the letters "Er" 167
Atomic mass of the element "Er" 167 (verse 4)Claim 10 Number of LETTERS between the letters "Nd" and the end of the verse 60
Atomic number of the element "Nd" 60 (verse 19)Claim 11 Number of LETTERS from the letter "V" to the end of the verse 23
Atomic number of the element "V" 23 (verse 1)Claim 12 Number of LETTERS to the end of the verse from the letters "Ga" 69
Atomic number of the element "Ga" 69 (verse 27)Claim 13 Number of LETTERS from the letter "N" to the end of the verse 14
Atomic number of the element "N" 14 (verse 3)Claim 14 Number of LETTERS between the letters "Bi" 83
Atomic number of the element "Bi" 83 (verse 7-Claim 15 Number of WORDS between the letters "Cr" 24
Atomic number of the element "Cr" 24 (verse 4)Claim 16 LETTERS between the letters "At" 85
Atomic number of the element "At" 85 (verse 1-3)Claim 17 Number of WORDS between the beginning of the verse and the letters "Li" 6
Atomic mass of the element "Li" 6 (verse 10)Claim 18 Number of WORDS from the beginning of the Surah until the letters "Hf" 178
Atomic mass of the element "Hf" 178 (verse 11) *The conjunction "and" was not included in the calculation.Claim 19 Number of WORDS between the beginning of the Surah and the appearance of the letters "In" 114
Atomic mass of the element "In" 114 (verse * The conjunction "and" was not included in the calculation.Claim 20 Number of WORDS from the beginning of the Surah to the letters "Ac" 89
Atomic number of the element "Ac" 89 (verse 7) * The conjunction "and" was not included in the calculation.Ok I got bored. There are 14 more to go, but I do not need them to tear this apart. This miracle is a very good example of manufacturing miracles. I have color coded them above. Here are some problems that are obvious
- Sometimes they are counting the "LETTERS" and sometimes "WORDS".
- Sometimes they are counting from the beginning of the Surah, sometimes they are counting from the beginning of the verse.
- Sometimes they are counting from the beginning of the verse to the letter and sometimes they are counting from the letter to the end of the verse.
- Sometimes they are counting not from beginning to the letter or letter to end, but instead, from the letter to the next time that letter shows up.
- Sometimes they are ignoring the word "and" but other times they are including it.
- Sometimes they are counting the number of letters until the "first appearance" of the letter. This makes me wonder how they are actually counting. Otherwise, I assumed that they would stop just before they reached that letter. Why state the obvious unless they have actually ignored the letter and at times went for the "next/second" appearance of the letter?
- Sometimes they are using multiple verses and sometimes only one.
There simply is no consistency whatsoever in their method. They are changing rules like crazy. Bending and breaking the rules like crazy. I think they have managed to break every rule one can possibly break. How dishonest. Unless they are mentally challenged and suffer retardation, I see no way they could be doing this without knowing that they are being dishonest.
Peace
----------- Student of Allah -
Peace all.
Good points Student of Allah, looks like some strange occured on this, like
- They claims the roots of "nduru" as Z and R/Zirconium.
2)Alif pronounced to be O
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and pronounced to be E and R.
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"Ngin" from roots and pronounced to be N
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and more dialectic problems.
I just cannot say it's a pure mirracle, but it's looks like can be considered as "fluke"
Salam
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Shalom Aleikhem,
Ok I got bored. There are 14 more to go, but I do not need them to tear this apart. This miracle is a very good example of manufacturing miracles. I have color coded them above. Here are some problems that are obvious
- Sometimes they are counting the "LETTERS" and sometimes "WORDS".
- Sometimes they are counting from the beginning of the Surah, sometimes they are counting from the beginning of the verse.
- Sometimes they are counting from the beginning of the verse to the letter and sometimes they are counting from the letter to the end of the verse.
- Sometimes they are counting not from beginning to the letter or letter to end, but instead, from the letter to the next time that letter shows up.
- Sometimes they are ignoring the word "and" but other times they are including it.
- Sometimes they are counting the number of letters until the "first appearance" of the letter. This makes me wonder how they are actually counting. Otherwise, I assumed that they would stop just before they reached that letter. Why state the obvious unless they have actually ignored the letter and at times went for the "next/second" appearance of the letter?
- Sometimes they are using multiple verses and sometimes only one.
Peace
----------- Student of AllahSalaamun alayka SoA,
Nice to see you post again.
It seems you got really bored Dlook at this miracle
SAMARIUM = 62Sm
The French scientist Paul Lecoq de Boisbaudran discovered the element Samarium (Sm) in 1879.
In the Surah the letters "S" and "M" first come together after 62nd letter. These letters appear together as "M" and "S." But there is no element bearing the abbreviation Ms, the reverse of Sm.
Number of letters from the beginning of the verse to the letters "Sm" 62
Atomic number of the element "Sm" 625715
Nice don't you think.
But that is not all, the nice thing about miracles is that they can change miraculous yes
Above S = " "
But in the next miracle S =STRONTIUM = 87Sr
Non-radioactive Strontium was first discovered in Scotland in 1790 by Adair Crawford and William Cruikshank.
There are 87 words between the beginning of Surat al-Hadid and where the letters "S" and "R" appear together. 87 is the atomic mass of Strontium.Number of words between the beginning of the Surah and the letters "Sr" 87
Atomic mass of the element "Sr" 87577
Salaam,
Bender -
Shalom Aleikhem Bender,
Nice to see you post again.
It seems you got really bored DGood to see you too. Yes, I got bored. Really really bored. The reason I did not make a fuss about the swapping of the letters is because I gave them that. I assumed for the sake of this demonstration that that is ok. I also assumed that they counted the letters/words/whatever accurately. I did not count them myself, I just assumed that they did it right. Even after that... what a failure . I don't even know what to say.
http//www.troll.me/images/facepalm-picard/facepalm-because-words-cannot-describe-how-miraculously-stupid-your-miracle-claim-was-.jpg
Peace
--------------- Student of Allah -
Shalom Aleikhem Bender,
Good to see you too. Yes, I got bored. Really really bored. The reason I did not make a fuss about the swapping of the letters is because I gave them that. I assumed for the sake of this demonstration that that is ok. I also assumed that they counted the letters/words/whatever accurately. I did not count them myself, I just assumed that they did it right. Even after that... what a failure . I don't even know what to say.
http//www.troll.me/images/facepalm-picard/facepalm-because-words-cannot-describe-how-miraculously-stupid-your-miracle-claim-was-.jpg
Salaamun alayka,
I am glad you were not that bored )
Peace
--------------- Student of Allah