To all of you Hijab supporters out there
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Trust me, you are talking about 3359, and not 3360.
Care to check the Qur'aan before you argue in a Qur'aan only forum?
PS Please copy and paste 3360 to make sure that we are reading the same Qur'aan?
It's 3360 if you count Bismillah as the first Ayah of the Surah. If you don't consider Bismillah as a verse of the Quran, then it will be 3359
But I believe that Bismillah is part of the Quran and it is the first Ayah of every Surah except Surah 9.
Hope that helps.
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What verse states humurihinne?
2431 And tell the believing women to reduce of their vision and guard their private parts and not expose their adornment except that which appears thereof and to wrap their headcovers over their chests and not expose their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands' fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers, their brothers' sons, their sisters' sons, their women, that which their right hands possess, or those male attendants having no physical desire, or children who are not yet aware of the private aspects of women. And let them not stamp their feet to make known what they conceal of their adornment. And turn to Allah in repentance, all of you, O believers, that you might succeed.
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"Over themselves" It is inclusive of everything.
Says you but not God.
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Salam,
Hijab in and of itself is meaningless. What is the problem is that people are claiming that Allah has given a direct command that donning a hijab is mandatory. It is another example of "scholars" imposing restrictions on people through poor understanding of the Qu'ran.
We should not focus on the hijab so much as focusing on spreading a better understanding of the message of the Qu'ran. Hijab is a cultural thing and is here to stay, let's more focus on opening people's mind to the message. When society becomes open to the message, then issues such as women's rights will automatically be corrected. Having an argument over whether hijab is good or bad will not open the people's minds.
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Salam,
Hijab in and of itself is meaningless. What is the problem is that people are claiming that Allah has given a direct command that donning a hijab is mandatory. It is another example of "scholars" imposing restrictions on people through poor understanding of the Qu'ran.
We should not focus on the hijab so much as focusing on spreading a better understanding of the message of the Qu'ran. Hijab is a cultural thing and is here to stay, let's more focus on opening people's mind to the message. When society becomes open to the message, then issues such as women's rights will automatically be corrected. Having an argument over whether hijab is good or bad will not open the people's minds.
I so agree with you!!
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It's not meaningless if God commanded it...if "scholars" say something it does not automatically mean its not correct. What we should do is see if its true according to the Quran...
The fact is that God recommends for believing women a certain code of dressing...if we want to be identified as believing women we should try to understand what it is in Quran and not according to prejudices or our own wishes...
To me no one answered or showed me picture of women in front of her father and teenage brother for example and in front of strangers...dressed according to Q. Please do if you can... -
O Prophet! Say to your wives, and your daughters, and the women of the believers to draw their outer garments over themselves
The key phrase is "over themselves".
If I say, "Get yourself to the office at 6 o'clock", I mean get your whole body, not your head or your chest or your stomach....your whole body.
But you forgot to mention verse 2431
RED they should not reveal their beauty except what is apparent.
From that verse we can see, the woman must cover their body except what is already ordinary apparent.Plus there is no command for covering the hair, but the only commad from that verse is to cover their chest.
You may also find the order for put forth the shawl for covering woman's chest, but it's not direct commandment for wearing the shawl to covering the hair or face, if you reading this verse again, you will know if it's just for a way to covering the chest.So if we merge verse 2431 and 3359, this means the woman must covering all their bodies with hijab/garment except who is ordinary apparent (hair, face,hand,foot)
Hijab=burqa is hadither's tafseer and has nothing to do with Quran alone.
If you aren't satisfied with mine intepreation then just read this articlehttp//www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/hijab_niqab.html
If you're disagree with that intepretation, just back to this ayat Laakum deenukum waliya deen
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If you look at the Christian images of Virgin Mary, she is always covering her head.
If you look at bad women like Madonna etc., they are never covering their head.
So we see that Quran-only people follow Madonna, and Muslim women who believe in Hadith are following Virgin Mary (peace be upon her).
Covering head is a sign of modesty and faith in God. Uncovering head is sign of pride arrogance and following Satan
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If you look at the Christian images of Virgin Mary, she is always covering her head.
If you look at bad women like Madonna etc., they are never covering their head.
So we see that Quran-only people follow Madonna, and Muslim women who believe in Hadith are following Virgin Mary (peace be upon her).
Covering head is a sign of modesty and faith in God. Uncovering head is sign of pride arrogance and following Satan
Yo say like this, because you are already brainwashed by Hadith teaching and became radical and simple minded.
You're just remind me during when I still a Sunni.During that time I was a faithful Sunni, some sunnah (Monday-Friday fasting, salat Dhuha), I also active in Islamic organization, attending their Syuro' etc.Beside that I I also became radical like.But five monthas ago when my iman was shaken then I discover this Quran alone and became like this.
When first time being Quran alone, I was still became anti liberal, and hate this, hate that, but after enter more deeply, I saw myself how stupid I am.Plus there is no point for pointing Madonna in this topic, faithful Christian woman is also not wearing jilbab but they're faithful.
Is wearing jilbab is the symbol of that woman is faithfull? then just look this pictures (from my country).
http//kustejo.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/pacaran-thok-ae.jpg
http//2.bp.blogspot.com/_rihlAw07fDg/TBG7Gt_YIFI/AAAAAAAAAB4/sSfVo-AbQVQ/s200/jilbab-hot-jpg.pngNOTE That picture is unmarriage couple according to the website source.
See, Is that picture Islamic even they're wearing jilbab?
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See, Is that picture Islamic even they're wearing jilbab?
Well that is not "Jilbab". Real Sunni Muslim women cannot wear jeans or pants or t-shirt. Our women must wear burqa like in Saudi Arabia.
Indonesia is not an Islamic coutry. They mostly still have Hindu and Buddhist culture.
Real Islamic country and society is Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries in the Gulf.
I have seen many Indonesians here in Canada. They came from an International Islamic school as foreign exchange students. None of them pray Salat or go to the mosque. Islam is very weak in Indonesia I'm afraid.
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Indonesia is not an Islamic coutry. They mostly still have Hindu and Buddhist culture.
Yes Indonesia is not Islamic country and our ideology is Pancasila/five pillar (but don't mistaken it with Sunni's rukun Islam).
But my country is not secular country because Ministry of Religion is existed in the goverment.
The proof is the first sila of Pancasila, is read"Ketuhanan Yang Maha Esa" (google translate it)
Indonesia is not an Islamic coutry. They mostly still have Hindu and Buddhist culture.
Yes, Indonesia is former Hindhu majority not Buddha.But became Muslim majority started in early 1500s when Islamic local feudal kingdoms were risen.
I was from ethnic Javanese and some my cultures was influenced from Hinduism.Buddha is religion of Tionghoas (Chinese Indonesian).
I have seen many Indonesians here in Canada. They came from an International Islamic school as foreign exchange students. None of them pray Salat or go to the mosque. Islam is very weak in Indonesia I'm afraid.
I don't know what happened of Indonesian students in Canada.But I still not believe in you.
Because if that Indonesian is student exchange, that means that they're smart student in domestic universities.So If you found Indonesia who didn't salat maybe they aren't student for Islamic universities and maybe they're a secularist.
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I don't know what happened of Indonesian students in Canada.But I still not believe in you.
Because if that Indonesian is student exchange, that means that they're smart student in domestic universities.So If you found Indonesia who didn't salat maybe they aren't student for Islamic universities and maybe they're a secularist.
Read this article from my town newspaper
http//www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20120621/KAMLOOPS0101/120629954/-1/KAMLOOPS/kamloops-a-hit-with-visiting-indonesian-studentsYou will that this year 180 Indonesian students came to my town for exchange program. They are all gone now. But they all came. They were wearing uniform which had on it written "International Islamic School Indonesia"
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Read this article from my town newspaper
http//www.kamloopsnews.ca/article/20120621/KAMLOOPS0101/120629954/-1/KAMLOOPS/kamloops-a-hit-with-visiting-indonesian-studentsYou will that this year 180 Indonesian students came to my town for exchange program. They are all gone now. But they all came. They were wearing uniform which had on it written "International Islamic School Indonesia"
Well I didn't see students wearing such kind of unifrom from the sites you pointing out
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Peace,
No religious people are fascinated by Madonna or Britney Spears or worse vulgar people.
You have preconceived ideas, brother Israfeel.
Modesty is the ideal way for a believer and the Quran tells a woman to cover as much as possible. It does not specifically or exactly to the letter say how the clothing should be worn. The veil on a woman's head may be the best scenario of a woman's dress, but it is not exclusive told in Quran.
Even men were expected to have head wear in earlier eras. It is an act of modesty.
And please do not mention your hadith books because their have no authority here.
God bless you
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Re your signature now
Quran-Only People say the Darnest ThingsSure would like to see what you have to say in front of God when you have to answer to Him. So continue on. You might want to read what God has to say about people who insist in their ways despite being repeatedly warned.
Again, you don't answer simple straight forward questions. What is wrong or sinful about husband and wife enjoying each other?
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Re your signature now
Quran-Only People say the Darnest ThingsSure would like to see what you have to say in front of God when you have to answer to Him. So continue on. You might want to read what God has to say about people who insist in their ways despite being repeatedly warned.
Again, you don't answer simple straight forward questions. What is wrong or sinful about husband and wife enjoying each other?
Madame I think it is you who should be concerned what you have to say in front of God. You saying its okay to do anal sex and swallow sperm!!!
You think God is happy with you saying this stuff. You should be scared for writing such things.
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Peace,
Praise God for guiding as He pleases.
God bless you
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I am a Muslim who follows Hadith. But the point is I have quoted the Holy Quran which is commanding women to cover their whole body.
It's just I find a lot of people who follow hadith will give themselves an additional 'label' such as Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Salafi etc. Do you fit in any of these categories? It would be interesting to know because a lot of 'every day' Sunni Muslims, who make up the majority of Islam as we know it today, would not agree with your interpretation either. Do you disagree as much with them as you do with us?
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It's just I find a lot of people who follow hadith will give themselves an additional 'label' such as Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Salafi etc. Do you fit in any of these categories? It would be interesting to know because a lot of 'every day' Sunni Muslims, who make up the majority of Islam as we know it today, would not agree with your interpretation either. Do you disagree as much with them as you do with us?
I belong to the Ahlul Hadith sect of Islam. Our sect very must stresses importance of following Hadith. According to Holy Quran, Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) is revelation and guidance for us (See Surah 534-5 Bismillah included)