To all of you Hijab supporters out there
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Re your signature now
Quran-Only People say the Darnest ThingsSure would like to see what you have to say in front of God when you have to answer to Him. So continue on. You might want to read what God has to say about people who insist in their ways despite being repeatedly warned.
Again, you don't answer simple straight forward questions. What is wrong or sinful about husband and wife enjoying each other?
Madame I think it is you who should be concerned what you have to say in front of God. You saying its okay to do anal sex and swallow sperm!!!
You think God is happy with you saying this stuff. You should be scared for writing such things.
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Peace,
Praise God for guiding as He pleases.
God bless you
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I am a Muslim who follows Hadith. But the point is I have quoted the Holy Quran which is commanding women to cover their whole body.
It's just I find a lot of people who follow hadith will give themselves an additional 'label' such as Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Salafi etc. Do you fit in any of these categories? It would be interesting to know because a lot of 'every day' Sunni Muslims, who make up the majority of Islam as we know it today, would not agree with your interpretation either. Do you disagree as much with them as you do with us?
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It's just I find a lot of people who follow hadith will give themselves an additional 'label' such as Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Salafi etc. Do you fit in any of these categories? It would be interesting to know because a lot of 'every day' Sunni Muslims, who make up the majority of Islam as we know it today, would not agree with your interpretation either. Do you disagree as much with them as you do with us?
I belong to the Ahlul Hadith sect of Islam. Our sect very must stresses importance of following Hadith. According to Holy Quran, Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) is revelation and guidance for us (See Surah 534-5 Bismillah included)
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I belong to the Ahlul Hadith sect of Islam. Our sect very must stresses importance of following Hadith. According to Holy Quran, Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) is revelation and guidance for us (See Surah 534-5 Bismillah included)
They're also in Pakistan but I don't think they wear burqas there. Those verses don't refer to hadith brother. They refer to the Quran.
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It's just I find a lot of people who follow hadith will give themselves an additional 'label' such as Sunni, Shia, Hanafi, Salafi etc. Do you fit in any of these categories? It would be interesting to know because a lot of 'every day' Sunni Muslims, who make up the majority of Islam as we know it today, would not agree with your interpretation either. Do you disagree as much with them as you do with us?
Why did you stop there?
among sunnis there are ahlel we al jama3a , wahabis, ahle hadith, salafies, suffies and so on.
And even among these there are hanbali, maliki, shafi, and so on.
And even among these there are people following different local imams rotfl rotfl
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They're also in Pakistan but I don't think they wear burqas there. Those verses don't refer to hadith brother. They refer to the Quran.
Burqa is taught by Quran which tells believing women to cover themselves. "Themselves" is not restricted to just head or hair or chest. "Themselves" means their whole body. Ask anyone who knows Arabic he will say this is right.
This why in Saudi Arabia women are wearing burqa and niqab.
Also the verses I quoted cannot refer to the Quran, because Quran is the words of Allah, not Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). But the verses I quoted say that the words of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) are also divinely inspired.
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Why did you stop there?
among sunnis there are ahlel we al jama3a , wahabis, ahle hadith, salafies, suffies and so on.
And even among these there are hanbali, maliki, shafi, and so on.
And even among these there are people following different local imams rotfl rotfl
Far too many to list sister. just like Christianity in that way that there are many denominations.
Burqa is taught by Quran which tells believing women to cover themselves. "Themselves" is not restricted to just head or hair or chest. "Themselves" means their whole body. Ask anyone who knows Arabic he will say this is right.
This why in Saudi Arabia women are wearing burqa and niqab.
Also the verses I quoted cannot refer to the Quran, because Quran is the words of Allah, not Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). But the verses I quoted say that the words of Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam) are also divinely inspired.
Brother, think about it. If everything Prophet Muhammad said and did was divinely inspired that you can write it all down and follow all of it, then why would the Quran correct him? Those verses are referring to what has been revealed, to everyone - the Quran. Not Prophet Muhammad's words, choices etc. The hadith are recorded and collected ask it is - without any idea as to what was the best behaviour of his so called actions. Prophet Muhammad also repented, if he repented he made mistakes, how many of the so called hadith would then include mistakes? Do you believe in the Quran it says it will preserve the 'hadiths' recorded and written by scholars as well so that these will not have any type of corruption?
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Far too many to list sister. just like Christianity in that way that there are many denominations.
Brother, think about it. If everything Prophet Muhammad said and did was divinely inspired that you can write it all down and follow all of it, then why would the Quran correct him? Those verses are referring to what has been revealed, to everyone - the Quran. Not Prophet Muhammad's words, choices etc. The hadith are recorded and collected ask it is - without any idea as to what was the best behaviour of his so called actions. Prophet Muhammad also repented, if he repented he made mistakes, how many of the so called hadith would then include mistakes? Do you believe in the Quran it says it will preserve the 'hadiths' recorded and written by scholars as well so that these will not have any type of corruption?
You don't seem to understand that Quran was preserved and recorded in exact same way as Hadith. If you reject Hadith - fine that's your decision. But don't pretend the Quran is totally different from how Hadith was preserved.
The Quran did not drop from the sky as a complete Book printed in Golden letters. You say that Hadith was written 200 years after the Prophet peace be upon him died.
Guess what? The earliest existing complete manuscript of the Quran was written 200 years after the Prophet peace be upon him died!
So if Hadith is unreliable, how is Quran so special and any different. We have been asking this question to Quranists for years and they can never answer.
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Peace Israfeel,
You didn't answer my main point about Prophet Muhammad and the fact he was human, made mistakes and these can be recorded and followed in the hadith. The Quran is preserved by Allah, in a way that perhaps we don't completely comprehend. If the Quran was preserved because of the 'pious' at the time reciting and memorising and just that, and that the hadith can be remembered in the exact same way - well then there is nothing unique or special about the Quran. Anyone could remember a text an Arabic text in such a way from that time period if they really wanted to. Because the hadith are a set of so called historical collections. So, any historical collection could have been gathered and preserved... what is it about the hadith that made then help preservation? Some would say it is the poetry, rhythm and another aspect of the Quran that makes it well remembered. That is part of its uniqueness - its poetry etc. So it seems like you are saying the hadith is the same as the Quran stylistically etc. If not, then how can it be remembered and preserved inthe same way. It is Allah that will preserve it, as it says in the Quran, no matter how many corrupt people may come and try to change the Quran. Like I said, how exactly it is preserved, maybe we aren't supposed to know entirely because if we'd try and corrupt it, or because it simply is part of Allah's will. Just like we don't say so how exactly did Allah give you that blessing, what exactly was Allah's process? That just seems like a very odd question to ask, because we talking about God, and we are not supposed to be all knowing. Also the Quran is a recitation... it is a kitab as well but it is a recitation. There are two things to take into account the oral recitation and then the written book.
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Guess what? The earliest existing complete manuscript of the Quran was written 200 years after the Prophet peace be upon him died!
You're wrong.The oldest surviving Quran manuscript is Sana'a manuscript.
As Hadith follower, you may also know if the Quran already written by Nabi's secretary especially Zaid Ibn Tsabat and memorized by some hafidz Quran during Muhammd time.
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Peace Israfeel,
You didn't answer my main point about Prophet Muhammad and the fact he was human, made mistakes and these can be recorded and followed in the hadith. The Quran is preserved by Allah, in a way that perhaps we don't completely comprehend.
Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam was definitely human and all humans make mistakes, but because he was a Prophet, Allah protected him from mistakes and always corrected him. Therefore the Prophet cannot remain in error for even the blinking of an eye, because Allah will always correct Him.
You say that Allah has preserved the Quran. I believe Allah has also preserved the Sunnah.
@Earthdom
The San'a manuscripts are not the complete Quran, it is fragments. There is also variations within the fragments discovered by archeologists.
The fact of the matter is that the earliest COMPLETE manuscript of the Quran which corresponds to the Quran you have in your home is some 200 years AFTER Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam died
So if you reject Hadith, you should also reject Quran.
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Peace Israfeel,
I don't agree unsurprisingly. Because Allah swt actually mentions mistakes of believers including Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and so on. So it does fit for one text to say this and point out the best behaviours and another text to say all behaviours must be followed including how Prophet Muhammad urinated. I think however we will just continue to disagree on this point.
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Peace Israfeel,
I don't agree unsurprisingly. Because Allah swt actually mentions mistakes of believers including Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and so on. So it does fit for one text to say this and point out the best behaviours and another text to say all behaviours must be followed including how Prophet Muhammad urinated. I think however we will just continue to disagree on this point.
Then why Quran says that Prophet Muhammad is Uswatun Hasanah (good example to follow)?? Why Quran says in several places to follow the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam)?
All of your arguments are going against the Quran.
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Peace Israfeel,
My arguments aren't going against the Quran. Prophet Muhammad and all the Messengers and believers who are examples to all mankind such as Maryam, they are all examples to us. They were very good people and believers. But it doesn't mean we imitate them. We know the best behaviours and we know they too made mistakes, faced challenges and learnt. That in itself is a general lesson about humanity as a whole. We are also supposed to use our own God given sense and be individuals. This is something that we are going to go round in circles on aren't we?
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The San'a manuscripts are not the complete Quran, it is fragments. There is also variations within the fragments discovered by archeologists.
The fact of the matter is that the earliest COMPLETE manuscript of the Quran which corresponds to the Quran you have in your home is some 200 years AFTER Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam died
Yeah atleast the Quran have earlier manuscript during Muhammad era, rather than not.
This means Quranic writing is Nabi Muhammad's order and of course the Quran's authantic is already proofed by scientist and no single contradictions.So you're using Hadith to prove Quran?? rotfl rotfl
You don't need to laugh bro.
Maybe I'm little bit different with some Quranist in here.I'm not reject hadith entirelly.
The only reason I rejecting hadith is Ahadith was written 100-200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad and only transmitted with oral transmission which is very dangerous for used as source of fiqh, hukm, aqidah of Islam because human's memory is limited plus some narrators are liar like Abu Hurairah.
Do yo know how Abu Hurairah who only met Nabi for 2-3 years could collecting more hadiths rather than Ali Ibn Thalib and Umar Khattab who live with Nabi in entire life and even collecting more hadith than Aisyah the wife of Nabi?
Just read in this site for some proof http//www.irfi.org/general/history_of_hadiths.htm
Beside that I still use hadith for historical literatures for knowing Sira' of Nabi Muhammad and Sahabat's backgrounds even hadith already distorted.
Why?Unlike the Quran, some historical literatures still contain contradictions, and none single of them is perfect and hadith is one of them. -
I am sorry but these hadeeth people are moving away from the subject. I am seriously interested in this theme and would like to hear arguments.
My question is quoll someone please show me image of a believing women in front of father/brother/uncle and what is the difference when she's in front of strangers...according to Quran only. Thank you! -
Yes mmmm.
Most of them is like that.I also get debate with Sunnis in domestic online forum, and they just like ahlan Israfeel.They avoiding some of the facts I gave to them which originally tackle their arguments then try move away the subject.