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Do Quranists Say 'Ameen' After Prayers?

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    Zulf
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    Peace,

    Unless there is a command that emphasises there is a need to say Amen or Ameen, then I don't think its something that is hugely important. The Quran tells us to say Bismillah before eating, Auzu Billahi minash shaytanir rajeem before reading the Quran so if Ameen was central, it would tell us. I don't believe it does.

    Do you really mean that? Do you wonder if we feel far from Allah because we don't say the word Ameen? Closeness and nearness to Allah, I don't think it matters if you say one word or not. Closeness to Allah swt will come as part of Allah's swt will and through doing good.

    We'll have to remember certain things about human kind, the human mind, the capacity of humans and our place in creation, and of course our handicap in having a blindness to Allah and Truth. What we should remember, or rather realize, is that although we may use the same words such as God or Allah, we all have different images and concepts of this we call God and Allah, something we cannot really comprehend. We can live life as directed by Allah, but we cannot understand Allah its, except perhaps partially. Perhaps we may have the same theoretical concept and understanding of God, but our individual approaches and how open our hearts are to Allah and Truth, would vary as much as there are different people in the world. In this sense we are all alone and on our own.

    So, when I hear people wondering whether one feels "far from Allah" when not uttering the word Ameen at the end of a prayer, then it becomes clear that we probably have totally different approaches or understandings, or experience, of what Allah is. Perhaps this guy feels far from God when missing out on a word... but personally I cannot fathom how this could be... at least in my personal experience. However, one can never know someone else degree of insight or understanding, and there is no need to, and we shall not judge... for this is only the work of Allah. But we are all different, and that's how God made it.

    Peace

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      supportpeacenotwar
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      Peace Zulf,

      I understand what you mean and I agree with some of what you have to say. I'm not meaning to judge anyone, I just find it a little puzzling. However, I do feel that its like saying do you feel closer to Allah is you say Allah rather than the Deity, the Creator or God? But what if one has never come across Arabic? That's my perspective, I understand not everyone will see it this way.

      In my opinion, one of the most important things is practising what we understand of the Quran and morality, so things like reciporcity, justice, looking after the Earth and animals as well which is neglected in some discussions in Abrahamic discussions, but it says in the Quran the Earth is inspired to speak in whichever way it will do. I think there's an important message there.

      As well being moral - not doing certain other things, for example, not seeing or hearing about a bad example or immoral attitude or just a bad thing people may have done and following that etc. From what I've seen of the way people jump on band wagons, or just follow the crowd that might be quite important actually when I think about it...

      So if saying a word helps, in terms of the Quran and what it teaches about how we should actually BE as believers it fits that good behaviour is important as well. It's all very simple in my opinion as well, I think it comes 'naturally', essentially.

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        Zulf
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        By the way, I never thought you were judging anyone... I was rather saying it in general, and to remind myself. D
        And I agree with you.
        Peace!

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Peace Zulf, supportpeacenotwar,

          There are many strange and distant words which emerge if you follow hadith, especially to those who do not. And not to talk about all sort of farfetched commandments.

          Ameen is however very common in Christianity and it has a mysterious origin. It was obviously not important enough for God to mention it in His Book though. Like our hadith extremist brother told, the word shares root with the root word for faith and has a Hebrew/Semitic origin.

          Maybe something similar to Selah mentioned in OT.

          I doubt God will punish you for not using any of these wordings though since it is the intention of the individual Believer which counts and not uniform wordings. Maybe Amen or Selah were used in the community because everyone recognize the words. To share the same vocabulary when you worship God can be handy.

          To say "May it be so", with a touch of the root faith might be a good choice. But saying "May God bless you" should have the same function in my opinion. I am sure the worship practices can take many faces.

          God bless you

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            mmkhan
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            What exactly Ameen means? Can you please translate it for me. Thanks.

            Raising Hands in prayer is a sign of person trying to get close to Allah and begging directly to Allah.

            Raising hands are nothing but showing off to others.. which is not really needed. My Lord, Allah listen to what my heart says. AlhamduliAllah hail

            May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
            mmKhan

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              Israfeel
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              What exactly Ameen means? Can you please translate it for me. Thanks.

              Raising hands are nothing but showing off to others.. which is not really needed. My Lord, Allah listen to what my heart says. AlhamduliAllah hail

              May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
              mmKhan

              If its not needed to raise hands, then its not needed to do sugud (prostration) or ruku (bowing) or qiyam (standing) either. You should just pray in your heart right?

              Of course Quran tells you to pray with sugud, ruku, and qiyam. See the Quranists are always going against Quran.

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                mmkhan
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                If its not needed to raise hands, then its not needed to do sugud (prostration) or ruku (bowing) or qiyam (standing) either. You should just pray in your heart right?

                Of course Quran tells you to pray with sugud, ruku, and qiyam. See the Quranists are always going against Quran.

                Good! I happy to see you quoting alQuraan without including hadith with it. MashaAllah.

                Red It is very easy say so... but you did not bring up the proof for what you claim. So, bring forth your proof from alQuraan ONLY as you said above, ONLY if you are truthful.

                May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                mmKhan

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                  unknownuser
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                  Good! I happy to see you quoting alQuraan without including hadith with it. MashaAllah.

                  Hehehe

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                    hawk99
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                    don't Quranists feel they are far from Allah and their prayers are missing a very special thing?

                    Peace Family,

                    The simple answer would be No.

                    When My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their
                    prayers when they pray to Me. The people shall respond to Me and believe in Me,
                    in order to be guided.

                    What special thing?

                    God Bless

                    peace

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                      Man_of_Faith
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                      Peace,

                      Another answer to the same question as hawk99 answered No, rather the opposite. God seems to be always near and also granting the wishes of prayers oftenly.

                      God bless you

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                        Man_of_Faith
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                        Double post...

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                          noshirk
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                          Thanks for your contribution to this very important topic.

                          To answer your first question, Ameen is a supplication meaning 'may it be so', asking Allah to answer all the supplications a person has made. It is the way to seal a prayer practiced by Jews, Christians, Muslims for centuries.

                          It has nothing to do with paganism. It is a Hebrew and Semitic word

                          Ameen doesnt mean "may it be so".
                          Ameen is same root of amana and mo'omin and imen

                          Ameen means "my god, i received (tasallamtou) yours words and they are in security in my heart".
                          Mo'min dont mix words of Allah with stupid hadiths and receive deen only from the unique Rabb/educator and not from others Arbabs (stupid scholars).

                          4914 The AARABS said ?Aman'na.? Say ?You have not amantou; but you should say ?We have Aslamana (received)?, for Amana has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.

                          Receiveing from God is not same as iman for what we have received.
                          Mushrikouns receive but mix amana with bullshits from others Arbabs.

                          Ps i don't prosternate towards the cubic stone .

                          may it be so!

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                            Aamer
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                            If its not needed to raise hands, then its not needed to do sugud (prostration) or ruku (bowing) or qiyam (standing) either. You should just pray in your heart right?

                            Of course Quran tells you to pray with sugud, ruku, and qiyam. See the Quranists are always going against Quran.

                            As far as I know the requirements for Salat in accordance with Quran are to do Wudu (prerequisite), stand, bow, prostrate, recite from the Quran & mention God alone (no partners). I know of no verse mentioning the raising of hands. Please provide verse if there is one.

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                              Aamer
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                              Ameen doesnt mean "may it be so".
                              Ameen is same root of amana and mo'omin and imen

                              Ameen means "my god, i received (tasallamtou) yours words and they are in security in my heart".
                              Mo'min dont mix words of Allah with stupid hadiths and receive deen only from the unique Rabb/educator and not from others Arbabs (stupid scholars).

                              4914 The AARABS said ?Aman'na.? Say ?You have not amantou; but you should say ?We have Aslamana (received)?, for Amana has not yet entered into your hearts.? If you obey God and His messenger, He will not put any of your works to waste. God is Forgiver, Merciful.

                              Receiveing from God is not same as iman for what we have received.
                              Mushrikouns receive but mix amana with bullshits from others Arbabs.

                              Ps i don't prosternate towards the cubic stone .

                              may it be so!

                              Tell us how you really feel noshirk! Don't hold back!

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                                diamantinehoneybunch
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                                Salaam.

                                Amen/Ameen was originated from Egyptian God Amen-Ra. When the Jews became the slaves of Egypt, this Amen was adopted to their teaching.
                                Later, this Amen was also adopted to Christianity and later Islam '(

                                http//free-minds.org/history-amen

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                                  unknownuser
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                                  Salaam.

                                  Amen/Ameen was originated from Egyptian God Amen-Ra. When the Jews became the slaves of Egypt, this Amen was adopted to their teaching.
                                  Later, this Amen was also adopted to Christianity and later Islam '(

                                  http//free-minds.org/history-amen

                                  There is no verse in the Quran which told us to say "ameen" after salat.So say "ameen" is not obligatory.

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                                    diamantinehoneybunch
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                                    There is no verse in the Quran which told us to say "ameen" after salat.So say "ameen" is not obligatory.

                                    I never said that it was obligatory but just like stoning, stoning is nowhere in the Qur'an but the Muslims say that it is part of Islam.

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                                      unknownuser
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                                      I never said that it was obligatory but just like stoning, stoning is nowhere in the Qur'an but the Muslims say that it is part of Islam.

                                      Stoning is haram, while say "ameen" is sunnah, this means we say it or not, it's up to us.
                                      There is no verse in the Quran which order us to say ameen, and there is also no verse in the Quran which prohibit us to say "ameen".

                                      Ameen is just tradition in Abraham monotheistic.

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                                        diamantinehoneybunch
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                                        Stoning is haram, while say "ameen" is sunnah, this means we say it or not, it's up to us.
                                        There is no verse in the Quran which order us to say ameen, and there is also no verse in the Quran which prohibit us to say "ameen".

                                        Ameen is just tradition in Abraham monotheistic.

                                        Salaam,
                                        What's your proof that Abraham said Ameen?
                                        Despite the origin of amen.

                                        Kind regards,
                                        Yuliana

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                                          hawk99
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                                          Peace,

                                          In the sunni masjid they dropped the bismallah (deleted "in the name of God&quot from the
                                          beginning of salat and add ameen at the end of the Fatihah. Whether it means amen-ra or
                                          not is immaterial, why add a word not from Quran when the Quran if full of praises for God?
                                          Shaytayn is just too fast and too smart and always sees us coming. Now we argue about
                                          a word not even in Quran and serves no purpose! Out of all of the words in Quran, many
                                          choose a word that is non-existent in the Quranic text. hmm

                                          All have a blessed Ramadan

                                          peace

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