It is my honor to be here
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Because the Quran specifically commands us to sent salam on the Prophet (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam). It says 'Salimoo Tasleema' and this is for emphasis, meaning "Send lots and lots and lots of Salam to the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wasallam" As you can see this is a Quranic commandment (which Hadith rejectors don't follow).
Instead of blaming quran-aloners(who hold quran as their only authority) of not following quran, have it ever occurred to you that hadith rejectors understand this verse in a different since their understanding is not polluted by bukhari and company?
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I pray just like the majority of Sunnis pray. I think the way the majority prays is correct and I'm sure that the hadith do teach the proper way somewhere amongst the volumes.
Peace brother.
As I stated in your another thread, if there is no current Sunni salat can be found in Kutub As Sittah hadiths.But it's the result of ulema's intepretation from all the hadith (no mather it's shaheeh or not).Plus Ahadith already distorted for many years, so it's very risk for used as source of fatwa and fiqh.
But it's okay if you do Sunni's movements of salat because difference in fatwa is not too important (see 2177) and currently some Quranist are differently each other for their salat.
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So you accept that the fundamental part of Islam (praying Salat) cannot be ascertained solely from the Pure Quran, but you need to go to the Sunnah to learn how to pray correctly.
So what happened to your slogan "The Quran, only the Quran, and nothing but the Quran"??
Anyways I'm glad to see you realize Islam cannot be practiced upon with Quran-only
Brother, you are not comprehending very fundamental portion of my statement. Salat was in existence well before Muhammad was even born. I never went to the Sunnah to learn how to pray, I learned from my parents. This widespread practice needs not detailed steps in any book in order to be preserved. It was so vastly practiced after it was taught directly to Ebrahim by Allah SWT and passed down through the generations.
You need to calm down, brother. I don't give a damn how far apart my feet are, where precisely my arms reside, how many degrees I prostrate. These are the foolish things people argue about all the time uselessly because this is what the hadith do to the human being - they suffocate the human being from rationality, from reflection, and from common sense.
It is NOT the body that is praying, it is the mind. The hadith are all so contradictory about Salat; I don't deny they may have the correct form in there, but they are NOT THE ORIGIN of Salat, nor are they necessary in the slightest to know how to pray.
The Quran is a book of SIGNS, a GUIDANCE. The Quran is complete in its guidance on how to practice Islam. You deny this because perhaps your trust in Allah is low, but my trust in my Lord is full, and I know He does not leave out anything.
It is your understanding of what Islam is that renders your perception of the Quran alone as an incomplete book. If we burned every single hadith book, Salat would not be unlearned.
Please, use your God-given reasoning.
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So you accept that the fundamental part of Islam (praying Salat) cannot be ascertained solely from the Pure Quran, but you need to go to the Sunnah to learn how to pray correctly.
And with all due respect, I mean no hostility, but I have learned I need to be firm never put words in my mouth. Never do that. Never do that to anyone. It is intellectual dishonesty, it is immorality, and it is low character.
I never once accepted that the fundamental part of Islam cannot be ascertained solely from the Pure Quran. It seems you do not know that God has given us this little thing called the "mind." We are not robots, drones who are to emulate meaninglessly. That is what the hadith try to do - turn us into drones. Now you have people equating beards with piety, telling others that if they leave Islam they should be killed, and spreading stories and trying so adamantly to defend the controversy of Aisha.
You ignored pretty much everything I said and pulled one sentence out in order to prove a point, but it doesn't work here, nor will it.
You can spend your life doing that, but complication is foolishness.
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Peace ajiboghareeb21,
Thank you for sharing that with us. I too believe that the hadith can contain some truth and those hadith will correlate with the Quran, but other hadith just don't make sense like you mentioned and contradict or 'add' more to the Quran such as the Quran verses. Plus, the hadith just seem to me to question God's authority. I just don't like that, at all, it goes against the whole concept of God. And what you've said about Prophet Muhammad fits my own conclusions.
I don't pray in the same way Sunnis do... I completely respect your way and your understanding of salat though. I stand, bow and prostrate but I don't include rakats and I keep it 'free flowing'. But I believe salat is something between God and each individual so what works best is what you should follow.
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I completely agree on the points about not making distinction between Messengers. This has clearly happened, and like you said, its reflected in the shahadah or declaration of faith.
Salam Aleikum,
I've always wondered about this, did the prophet (saw) teach the shahada during his life as we know it today (including declaring himself as a prophet of God?) The answer is probably yes, but it still sounds odd to me, the thought of him saying 'There is no god but God, and I am the messenger of God.' He seemed too humble for that.
Please forgive me if I have said something out of ignorance, I've only been a practicing muslim for a few years, and as a busy stay-at-home mom I find it hard to find time to study and increase my knowledge.
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Peace sister,
I don't think that would have been part of what he taught as, from my perspective, it goes against the Quran. There may be others who disagree possibly, although I'm not sure on here. I don't know why he would say that and then in the Quran it only says that there is no God but The God. There's also the issue of the second shahadah that you mention appearing in 631 and its related to the hypocrites.
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To add to my last post, because this is an important issue for me and I can't modify that post any longer 631 is related to a type of hypocrite. The Quran mentions other types of hypocrities, such as those who say all the right sounding things but in actual attitude and behaviour they do something else. I should add that this doesn't make being a pracitising believer a difficult thing to reach. In fact, it's very natural and easy since we were born aligned to God's will and designs. It is just that there are people who knowingly and deliberately want to pretend to some to do good but then they spread corruption, in the verse in question it refers to spreading corruption through unlawful killing of livestock and destroying crops.
So from the Quranic perspective, it wouldn't just be some of the 'hadithers' that can be labelled 'hypocrities'. Sorry to be pedantic, but I think it's an important issue that requires a bit of caution.
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Salam Aleikum,
I've always wondered about this, did the prophet (saw) teach the shahada during his life as we know it today (including declaring himself as a prophet of God?) The answer is probably yes, but it still sounds odd to me, the thought of him saying 'There is no god but God, and I am the messenger of God.' He seemed too humble for that.
Please forgive me if I have said something out of ignorance, I've only been a practicing muslim for a few years, and as a busy stay-at-home mom I find it hard to find time to study and increase my knowledge.
It's a very interesting point, indeed! And I think there is a very fine line in understanding the shahadah and what is the key to understanding the difference between the message and the messenger. supportpeacenotwar gave a very good reply, and I wanted to just say that Muhammad did say he was a messenger of God.
It's a little bit confusing, honestly, but first and foremost, we must remember what each and every messenger preached. Every messenger came with the one true declaration "There is no God but God." Naturally, these prophets did declare themselves as prophets of God, as they were ordained to - how can the people believe in the message without believing in the messenger? This is also where the fine line comes in between "following" the messenger. To follow a messenger means to follow the message. Many people find validity in following hadith because they attempt to portray the lifestyle of the person, but we should take an analogy to understand a key issue
If I take my stubborn friend to the doctor and tell him to "obey the doctor," I mean obey the doctor's orders under his medical expertise. I do not mean obey the human being in entirety (ie on orders outside the medical domain). Similarly, obeying the messenger means to follow the message, as the messenger's role is solely to deliver the message. Outside this message, the messenger is just a human being, prone to errors, mistakes, etc.
The true shahadah is "There is no God but God." It is perfectly acceptable to say "and Muhammad is His messenger," as it is also perfectly acceptable to declare that "Jesus is His messenger," and so on and so forth. All messengers delivered the same message, and all messengers are of equal level to BELIEVERS. In the Qur'an, Allah SWT says that He has preferred some messengers to others in terms of blessings, but FOR BELIEVERS, we are not permitted to make distinctions between any of them. Each and every messenger is equal. The "preference" issue is not the "I like this one more than that one," - it is more about the blessings given to certain prophets over others relevant to the delivery of the message. Prophet Isa was given powers of miracles, while Muhammad was unable to perform miracles.
I hope these points help to shed light on the issue. Peace )
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Peace,
I doubt Muhammad ever added his name of the shahada. It is probably a later invention. If it was not it is an intensifier not needed today 1400 years later.
God bless you